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Mysticpuma2003
12-29-2007, 07:10 AM
http://www.intel.com/cd/products/services/emea/eng/proc...s/core2xe/368367.htm (http://www.intel.com/cd/products/services/emea/eng/processors/core2xe/368367.htm)

Now, I know it's a lot of dosh, but two things make it a good purchase for me.

1) These processors hold there value

2) Runs way cooler than the 65nm architecture and requires less power.

Now I do have the money to buy this 'extravagant' bit of kit, which will lot into my Asus P5n32E - Sli motherboard.
I also have a Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W PSU, 2GB of OCZ PC-8500, a MSI 7900 GTO Graphics card and finally a Soundblaster X-Fi Elite.

I realise that the Graphics card needs an upgrade, but I will have to wait until Jan. or earl Feb. because I want to buy the 8800GTX, but the one that will be running the G92 chipset, which is the same as the new 512mb GT and GTS.

My question, if you can advise me is;

I use my PC for Il2, Photoshop, 3d Max and Video Editing in After Effects and Premiere.

I currently have a Core 2 Duo 6600 installed.

Now I realise that not all programs utilise multiple cores, but Adobe does.

What sort of increase in speed could I expect to see, and as this is really a luxury 'what the hell' purchase, is it going to make my PC noticeably faster?

Thanks for your advice, cheers, MP.

Mysticpuma2003
12-29-2007, 07:10 AM
http://www.intel.com/cd/products/services/emea/eng/proc...s/core2xe/368367.htm (http://www.intel.com/cd/products/services/emea/eng/processors/core2xe/368367.htm)

Now, I know it's a lot of dosh, but two things make it a good purchase for me.

1) These processors hold there value

2) Runs way cooler than the 65nm architecture and requires less power.

Now I do have the money to buy this 'extravagant' bit of kit, which will lot into my Asus P5n32E - Sli motherboard.
I also have a Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W PSU, 2GB of OCZ PC-8500, a MSI 7900 GTO Graphics card and finally a Soundblaster X-Fi Elite.

I realise that the Graphics card needs an upgrade, but I will have to wait until Jan. or earl Feb. because I want to buy the 8800GTX, but the one that will be running the G92 chipset, which is the same as the new 512mb GT and GTS.

My question, if you can advise me is;

I use my PC for Il2, Photoshop, 3d Max and Video Editing in After Effects and Premiere.

I currently have a Core 2 Duo 6600 installed.

Now I realise that not all programs utilise multiple cores, but Adobe does.

What sort of increase in speed could I expect to see, and as this is really a luxury 'what the hell' purchase, is it going to make my PC noticeably faster?

Thanks for your advice, cheers, MP.

Jaws2002
12-29-2007, 07:51 AM
I don't know how much faster, but faster. Is your cpu q6600 ot E-6600?

Anyway you won't see a huge difference in gaming performance since most today's games are limited by the Graphics card not by the CPU.

With your powerful one year old cpu i think i'd wait for Nehalem. But that's just me.
WIth Nehalem coming around Q3-Q4 2008 comes new architecture, so you will need a new mobo that won't work with penryn QX9650.
I think that nehalem and the new mobos will come about the same time BOB will so i don't know how much you'll lose by not getting the new penryn now.

Look around on those hardware websites for good reviews. The more reviews and test results you'll read the more you'll understand how much faster it is then your chip. Also look for real world tests in games. Many CPU tests are done at low resolution with all the graphics eye candy turned off so don't be fooled with 150 FPS in crysis for exampe. You won't play like that and once you give some work to the video card you'll see the FPS drop to the floor.

But i did this kind of "waht the hell" upgrades before too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif, so it's all up to you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xiolablu3
12-29-2007, 10:30 AM
You are crazy IMO http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My gaming is great on a Athlon 64 4200 X2 clocked at around 5000+ speeds. No slow framerates, its fantastic coupled with a 7900GS.

I dont understand whats wrong with your E6600?
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Maybe you just love throwing money away http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Hehe, but thats your perogative.

buddye1
12-29-2007, 10:44 AM
Hi MP,

My quad processor (spec's below in sig) runs great and yes it is fast. The Intel Core2 Extreme processors are expensive so you really need specific Parellel processing requirements to make them pay off.

I spend so much time (like you I think doing parallel processing)working on BOBII C++ code and testing out fixes/enhancements in the game. In my case, I do large BOBII C++ compiles, run the game, and use the internet all at the same time. I expect you may also have parallel processing requirements with your video work.

BoBII is also very processor dependent and tend to bottleneck on the large 200+ A/C missions with even the fast processors. I think you may have seen this in your BOBII movie making task.

Mysticpuma2003
12-29-2007, 12:11 PM
Well, the reason for going 'all-out' on this processor is that before I upgraded to the 6600 cpu, I had a Pentium 3.2Ghz processor.

Now the 6600 has 2x 2.4Ghz processors onbaord, but as IL2 only utilises one processor, I am guessing that I am effectively running IL2 on a 2.4Ghz processor.

So, what is the best chip out there at the moment?
Well it looks like this baby!
Now each processor runs at 3.0Ghz, so almost back to the same spec as I had before moving to the 6600, but on top of that I will have 3 'spare' 3Ghz processors which when it comes to multi-tasks (correct Buddye), and also when BoB:SoW comes out this will be multiprocessor ready.
Effectively (if it uses all cores) I'd be running BoB on a 12Ghz processor!

Thats why I'm currently in the market.

Now, lets say I'm wrong about the 6600 (using 1 core only), being slower than the 3.2 I had before, then should I just hold off for the G92 8800 GTX?

Tha nks for your replies...from a crazy man! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Chivas
12-29-2007, 12:39 PM
If your overclocking the 9650 its probably worth buying. As it is your 6600 should easily overclock to atleast 3 gigs, but you also should be able to overclock the 9650 to 3.6 or higher. Any dual core or quad core running at or over 3 gigs should be an effective cpu for BOB WOV.

FB and BOB WOV are very cpu intensive so any upgrade in cpu power will enhance these games.

I agree you should wait for Nvidias next high end gpu to make your system run really well with BOB SOW. If it doesn't Oleg won't be selling to many copies.

Didn't you see a nice upgrade in cpu power with the 6600 over the Pentium cpu even though it was running at a lower clock?

Chivas
12-29-2007, 12:49 PM
I upgraded my 6400 2.13 @ 3 gigs to a 6850 3 @ 3.8 gigs. The 6850 is almost 900 dollars less than the Q9650. Oleg has stated that BOB SOW will be optimized for multiple core cpus but didn't indicate wether the quad core would be a better choice than the dual core. I chose the cheaper solution for know because BOB looks like it will be atleast a year away.

Xiolablu3
12-29-2007, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mysticpuma2003:
Well, the reason for going 'all-out' on this processor is that before I upgraded to the 6600 cpu, I had a Pentium 3.2Ghz processor.

Now the 6600 has 2x 2.4Ghz processors onbaord, but as IL2 only utilises one processor, I am guessing that I am effectively running IL2 on a 2.4Ghz processor.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mate, if you are thinking that your E6600 is running IL2 slower than your old 3.2 Pentium, then you are mistaken.

Even in single core applications like games, Core2Duos and Athlon 64's are far far faster than the old 32 bit CPU's.

Core2Duo's and Athlon 64's do much more work per Mhz than the old 32 bit pentiums and athlons XP's. Mhz is not a good way to work out CPU power anymore.

What I dont get when I see people upgrading from a Core2Duo system, to a faster one, is what exactly are they hoping to achieve? Does going from 65 FPS to 100 frames per second really make any difference to your gaming? The eye cannot see more than 30-35fps, Normal TV and movies run at 24fps, can you see the seperate 'frames' on TV? I can't.

It just seems pointless to me, but like has already been said, if you are a speed freak and have lots of money to throw away just to see some higher numbers, but no real benefit to your gaming, then go for it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mysticpuma2003
12-30-2007, 12:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Does going from 65 FPS to 100 frames per second really make any difference to your gaming? The eye cannot see more than 30-35fps, Normal TV and movies run at 24fps, can you see the seperate 'frames' on TV? I can't.

It just seems pointless to me, but like has already been said, if you are a speed freak and have lots of money to throw away just to see some higher numbers, but no real benefit to your gaming, then go for it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm reading between the lines here, but your not convinced it's a good idea?

I think the problem I am dealing with here is that I am running IL2 with 1920x1200 8xAA+8xAF.

Now I realise that the GPU is taking most of the hit here, but surely having a higher end cpu speed will help with a process of the data?

However, after your posts Xiolablu3, I am going to wait until the new GTX 8800 comes out and slot one of those in.

Obviously I'll see a performance increase, and then I can decide if the 6600 needs the upgrade.

BTW the 9650 is 590 in the UK, that's $1175.87 at today's rate, so it would probably pay off to wait 3-4 months and see if it is cheaper when I get the 8800?

Thanks for your replies guys, cheers, MP.