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mortoma
11-08-2004, 01:55 PM
I can't tell any difference at all, except for the skins they wear. No difference in speed or even maneuverability. Seems like the same plane with just a different name and skin tagged on. Possibly an attempt by 1C to try and compensate some for the lack of new Japanese flyables??

aerick2
11-08-2004, 02:03 PM
Unlikely. 1C wouldn't simply make up planes. There are subtle differences among the three and I'm sure someone will come along and name them.

faustnik
11-08-2004, 02:12 PM
Difference is armament:

Ki-43-1a - 2 x 7.7mm

Ki-43-1b - 1 x 7.7mm & 1 x 12.7mm

Ki-43-1c - 2 x 12.7mm

VW-IceFire
11-08-2004, 03:15 PM
I think the 43a and 43b were the most common ones flying around. The dual heavy machine guns didn't show till later on I hear.

I've found in all cases that the weapons are virtually useless http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

faustnik
11-08-2004, 03:31 PM
The Ki-43a was the least common of the three with only 35 produced. 45 Ki-43bs were produced and 716 of the Ki-43c version were made.

(source is Beuschel)

oFZo
11-08-2004, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
The Ki-43a was the least common of the three with only 35 produced. 45 Ki-43bs were produced and 716 of the Ki-84c version were made.

(source is Beuschel) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting typo there, two wrong numbers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
(of course I mean the Ki-84 you mentioned compared to Ki-43's...)

faustnik
11-08-2004, 04:15 PM
Thanks Ofzo. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

43, 84 what's the difference. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

oFZo
11-08-2004, 04:19 PM
Barely anything http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

DIRTY-MAC
11-08-2004, 04:25 PM
I would like to see the K-43 IIIb
with two 20mm in the game

Bula
11-08-2004, 07:51 PM
Beuschel notes that the Ia was "a pre-production model used to set up the tooling and iron the bugs out of the production line." The Ia was produced from April 1941 to the end of June 1941. The Ib was then produced through the end of September, when the Ic was introduced. Beuschel notes that the majority of Ia and Ib models ended up as trainers. The Ic remained in production and front-line service for most of 1942. It was replaced on the production line in November 1942 by the IIa.

The only major differences between the I-series aircraft were the guns, as noted in a previous post.

Beuschel wrote that only two prototypes of the cannon-armed IIIb were produced.

Atomic_Marten
11-08-2004, 08:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DIRTY-MAC:
I would like to see the K-43 IIIb
with two 20mm in the game <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LA7? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Philipscdrw
11-08-2004, 08:26 PM
Japanese designations are confusion only surpassed by the USN!

A.K.Davis
11-08-2004, 09:06 PM
a, b and c are not Japanese naming conventions, they are Western naming conventions applied to the Ki-43 to distinguish between armament loadouts. There is an interesting article at j-aircraft.com that argues the "b" armament was likely most common during the early part of the war. Historically, we should not encounter Ki-43a's in game.

mortoma
11-09-2004, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aerick2:
Unlikely. 1C wouldn't simply make up planes. There are subtle differences among the three and I'm sure someone will come along and name them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Made up?? Who accused them of making anything up?? There were really instances of planes model improvements that were barely noticeable in RL. Just thought that this was a case of including variants that didn't vary very much is all.

mortoma
11-09-2004, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Difference is armament:

Ki-43-1a - 2 x 7.7mm

Ki-43-1b - 1 x 7.7mm & 1 x 12.7mm

Ki-43-1c - 2 x 12.7mm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That would be the difference huh?? Ok, I'm now satisfied.

scootertgm
11-09-2004, 09:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I think the 43a and 43b were the most common ones flying around. The dual heavy machine guns didn't show till later on I hear.

I've found in all cases that the weapons are virtually useless http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Clearly you've never flown it well... I've gotten several kills with it with very short bursts. On an early war server it can dominate if flown correctly.

Pop up that sight and lay rounds on the engine. P-40's, p-39's and their export versions will all fall as easy prey whtn you hit thier engines, they flame up in no time.

Lancer1347
11-09-2004, 09:25 AM
How can you get the gunsight to open on the KI-43? All I have is the sight with the cover on it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

scootertgm
11-09-2004, 09:35 AM
Control-D will open the site, it is the same control as the reticle dimmer on a 109.

Lancer1347
11-09-2004, 09:39 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Thanks

mortoma
11-09-2004, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scootertgm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I think the 43a and 43b were the most common ones flying around. The dual heavy machine guns didn't show till later on I hear.

I've found in all cases that the weapons are virtually useless http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Clearly you've never flown it well... I've gotten several kills with it with very short bursts. On an early war server it can dominate if flown correctly.

Pop up that sight and lay rounds on the engine. P-40's, p-39's and their export versions will all fall as easy prey whtn you hit thier engines, they flame up in no time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah if you can catch them. So far online I have done well in the P-40 against KI-43s. I stay fast and get kills, I can outrun if things get too tough.
One time I got killed by 43s but I was by myself against about 6 well know online ace players. I was in P-40C and they were in some type of KI-43. And it still took them about 5 minutes to kill me.

uhoh7
11-09-2004, 11:58 AM
this is turning into a pretty **** reasonable thread.

Ty fred77 for those tests

ICDP, you had me convinced my memories of il2 were off, but fred seems to confirm what many of us feel.

I'm interested in your thoughts on freds test with the g2

with respect,

uhoh7