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Yimmy
02-23-2005, 08:28 AM
Can the second crewman please be made available to switch to?

The Beufighter is a great aircraft in this sim, but it simply has no rear vision.... you need that second crewman (even without an MG), to provide you with rear vision.

If there is no pit modeled for it, simply stick a fixed camera view from his window looking over the tail showing no internals... but give us something please.

Finkeren
02-23-2005, 10:29 AM
Perfectly reasonable request http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif and I'd sure like to see it. I don't think it will happen, partly because of 1Cs strict rules for histrical acurracy (wich is great, I'm not complaining) partly because there is currently no key mapped for viewing 180 degrees directly six o'clock. I read your suggestion the way, that you want a snap view option to look directly backwards along the tail, and this would not work with the current way the 3D cockpits are working.

Yimmy
02-23-2005, 11:10 AM
Well, in a patch would it be posible to add a script, so that the guy in the back tells you when an enemy is on your tail?

It could be made to activate the sound file of the guy speaking, at the same time as an AI gunner would start fireing.

Finkeren
02-23-2005, 01:54 PM
This feature already exist on some planes. In any case it's there on the A-20G. If it's there on the Beaufighter I don't know, but it should be included of course better now than later! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

p1ngu666
02-23-2005, 03:52 PM
use normal 2 seater thing, but u just make the cockpit part black, sorta like tb3

Yimmy
02-24-2005, 10:14 AM
Shameless bump.

Yimmy
02-25-2005, 06:51 PM
Shameless Bump: Give us the observer or the puppy gets it expansion pack.

3.JG51_BigBear
02-25-2005, 07:05 PM
The static camera would make the most sense, I'm kind of surprised the airplane even made it in without the rear cockpit modeled, but the rear guy giving some sort of of warning would do a lot of good, especially in full real servers where there is absolutely no way to check one's six, even the sides are iffy.

SUPERAEREO
02-27-2005, 11:34 AM
Bump!

Yimmy
03-01-2005, 09:02 AM
Bump 4 : Return of the Bump

p1ngu666
03-01-2005, 09:28 AM
http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//bearear1.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//bearear2.jpg

large pics, of a beufighter night fighter i think, its at raf hendon museum....

notice the counter goes to 250, ingame we have 120 per gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Daiichidoku
03-01-2005, 07:03 PM
yup, no doubt about it, the Beau needs more ammo...

Also a pressing need for ANY kind of rear view, or at LEAST a verbal warning from nav/observor/gunner

how about a .303 AI gunner instead? Mk 21s WERE deployed with guns in rear cockpit....
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SACvA9EVVBkwMhKPhYHRMSsmS2NyZfFA*OpMesEx!YSsc6uNV MgciWY6gqZ6EcPFqLNLlttiPLib!7TJ0r6Vs80853YqAMx6q0a W7a2CxNY6AAAAynJdAg/beau0.JPG?dc=4675512221827733147

Foxtrot-Hotel
03-01-2005, 07:18 PM
I think the australian build beau's were build without the .303 gun...the british may had them, but in game is the aussi model.

Daiichidoku
03-01-2005, 10:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Foxtrot-Hotel:
I think the australian build beau's were build without the .303 gun...the british may had them, but in game is the aussi model. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Look at he pic in my post, Foxtrot-Hotel, it is a Mk21, with a gun in the rear

Tooz_69GIAP
03-01-2005, 10:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Foxtrot-Hotel:
I think the australian build beau's were build without the .303 gun...the british may had them, but in game is the aussi model. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Look at he pic in my post, Foxtrot-Hotel, it is a Mk21, with a gun in the rear <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but it's a British Mk.21, not an Austrailian built Mk.21.

The Aussi Mk.21s didn't have a gun in the rear.

pourshot
03-02-2005, 12:13 AM
This was done to death once before, yes the mk21 had a rear gun but it was almost never mounted becuase by the time we got the mk21 into the field the gun was not much needed and just got in the way.(it could also be carried stowed ready for use in around 30sec)

Now if you ask me if they had to fly with as many fighters as we do then I think that gun would be in back in the dome so fast it would make your head spin.

Badsight.
03-02-2005, 12:31 AM
Daichidoku , you read PM's ?

& LOL @ Pourshot , absolutly dude !

JG53Frankyboy
03-02-2005, 03:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Foxtrot-Hotel:
I think the australian build beau's were build without the .303 gun...the british may had them, but in game is the aussi model. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Look at he pic in my post, Foxtrot-Hotel, it is a Mk21, with a gun in the rear <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but it's a British Mk.21, not an Austrailian built Mk.21.

The Aussi Mk.21s didn't have a gun in the rear. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

there was nothing like an british Mk.21 . the Mk.21 is THE australian version. the picture above is from europe, in the PF no invasion stripes were used http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif . its a Mk.VI ore most propably a Mk.X.

the australiens had mostly no guns because they were **** fast. they could outrun the most enemy fighters (mostly Oscars) they met in their operation area.

nevertheless, they realy should have added the rearposition availabe to check ones six.

p1ngu666
03-02-2005, 06:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Foxtrot-Hotel:
I think the australian build beau's were build without the .303 gun...the british may had them, but in game is the aussi model. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Look at he pic in my post, Foxtrot-Hotel, it is a Mk21, with a gun in the rear <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but it's a British Mk.21, not an Austrailian built Mk.21.

The Aussi Mk.21s didn't have a gun in the rear. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

there was nothing like an british Mk.21 . the Mk.21 is THE australian version. the picture above is from europe, in the PF no invasion stripes were used http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif . its a Mk.VI ore most propably a Mk.X.

the australiens had mostly no guns because they were **** fast. they could outrun the most enemy fighters (mostly Oscars) they met in their operation area.

nevertheless, they realy should have added the rearposition availabe to check ones six. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah, at low level fairly fast http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

once in a coop i got like 5 kills or something, in a beu, while our fighter escorts got none http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
should be a good indercation of what mossie will be like, but mossie better in everyway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

mark 21 is roughly equivilent to a british mark, but i cant remmber what http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Foxtrot-Hotel
03-02-2005, 07:14 AM
never knew that the Mk21 is the aussi version, but I know that most of them had no rear gun...
so all that te rear guy could do is looking angry, and throw with pencils http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

ITA_5SA_Tecnico
03-03-2005, 01:02 AM
Someone says that there aren't informations about a Beaufighter MK21 internal (Radio Operator,and Pilot),this isn't true see here:

http://www.aarg.com.au/beaufighter.htm

Stiglr
03-03-2005, 10:28 AM
BiGBear wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The static camera would make the most sense, I'm kind of surprised the airplane even made it in without the rear cockpit modeled, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So am I. "Lack of cockpit" has been a tidy, handy excuse for the non-appearance of the Ju-88, Pe-2 and other planes for YEARS now. So, what did the Beau do to warrant such special (or is that hypocritical?) treatment?

lrrp22
03-03-2005, 01:27 PM
Daiichidoku,

That's a British-built Mk X 'TorBeau'- the Aussie Mk21 never made it to the ETO.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Foxtrot-Hotel:
I think the australian build beau's were build without the .303 gun...the british may had them, but in game is the aussi model. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Look at he pic in my post, Foxtrot-Hotel, it is a Mk21, with a gun in the rear <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HamishUK
03-04-2005, 09:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
This was done to death once before, yes the mk21 had a rear gun but it was almost never mounted becuase by the time we got the mk21 into the field the gun was not much needed and just got in the way.(it could also be carried stowed ready for use in around 30sec)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rubbish!

The Beaufighter was given a rear gun only after a number of Coastal Command Beau's had been shot down by prowling FW190's.

Since Australian Beau's seldomn had problems with being bumped by enemy aircraft the fit was not deemed necessary.

HamishUK
03-04-2005, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
BiGBear wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The static camera would make the most sense, I'm kind of surprised the airplane even made it in without the rear cockpit modeled, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So am I. "Lack of cockpit" has been a tidy, handy excuse for the non-appearance of the Ju-88, Pe-2 and other planes for YEARS now. So, what did the Beau do to warrant such special (or is that hypocritical?) treatment? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Ju88 and Pe2 have been made. The latter will only appear in a Russian update of the game. The Ju88 is awaiting rework on the cockpit by the third party chap I believe.

The Beaufighter was built (like many other models) by a third party. It was ready and people wanted to fly it..nuff said I think.

So your argument is unfounded, when the majority of these fine models are built by people in their spare time.

Feel you want to have an aircraft in the game stop sniping and learn how to build one.

pourshot
03-04-2005, 03:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HamishUK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
This was done to death once before, yes the mk21 had a rear gun but it was almost never mounted becuase by the time we got the mk21 into the field the gun was not much needed and just got in the way.(it could also be carried stowed ready for use in around 30sec)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rubbish!

The Beaufighter was given a rear gun only after a number of Coastal Command Beau's had been shot down by prowling FW190's.

Since Australian Beau's seldomn had problems with being bumped by enemy aircraft the fit was not deemed necessary. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL you have no idea what you are talking about I suggest you stick with what you know about RAF beaufighters and leave the Mk21 to people that have done the research.

Stiglr
03-04-2005, 09:07 PM
@Hamish,

I know how to build aircraft. That's how I know that the dev team's excuses are all bullsh*t.

It is a FACT that they "say" that "lack of data" to fashion cockpit panels and walls that have ZERO/NO/NIL effect on the sim, are reasons to preclude aircraft from appearing in the sim. Even when such data is available, and even when it doesn't make a d@mned bit of difference.

By the way, since you're so much in the know: why is it that the Pe-2 is only going to be available to the Russians? My guess is they won't complain if the flight model is way optimistic, since it's "one of their planes". Just my own hunch. But some of us who don't live there would still like to see such an important plane as a Petlyakov in the sim, even if only as a target. Why can't we?

p1ngu666
03-04-2005, 10:24 PM
actully, i think its ubi stiglr, they didnt pony up the cash for dev of pe2, while 1c (russian distributers did) so russia gets pe2, rest of world dont http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

last bomber that was made flyable, b25, doesnt have THAT good a fm, it snap stalls worse than a 190 (fish said that too!)

he111, last time i flew it was way better.

pe2 also wont have a bombsite, cos of lack of referenses, and they where rare aprently

personnaly i would be ok with just having a black hole for the rear cockpit, and being able to look around outside, im not sure that theres anything useful in the back for us, maybe the ammo counters...

Tooz_69GIAP
03-05-2005, 01:34 AM
From what I understand, the model of Pe-2 that has been done didn't have a bombsite as standard. A select few (very few according to Agamemnon) were fitted with a level site, but there is virtually zero references on it.

And stiglr, why do you keep going on and on?? Away ye go back to Targetware - this sim is obviously such a porked POS compared to that marvelous sim I have no idea why you even bother coming here!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Stiglr
03-05-2005, 10:55 AM
Once again....

The sights we have are not done to such excruciating accuracy that we couldn't have one put in a Pe-2 and have it at least be similar to what was in use. And, it's location in the plane is not that important: you hit a crew button and get the sight view. The exact location and shape of the actual sight hardware is irrelevant to game play.

The effect on game would not be the same as if, for example, you added Norden technology or a jet's CCIP to it.

@Tooz: I'm so sorry if you can't abide a little critical thought aimed at your favorite sim. But, tough: you're going to hear it (or you can just ignore my posts; others do).

Boandlgramer
03-05-2005, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
I have no idea why you even bother coming here!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

because he is a real simmer and because he still love the IL2 series.
i have no problem, if somebody criticized the game or is reporting about another flysimulator.

Yimmy
03-12-2005, 10:20 AM
Bump - The Prequal
Bump goes on a dangerous mission to free the rear vision

Yimmy
04-21-2005, 06:20 PM
Bump?
I see no bump....

(Well the patch isn't out yet, so hey, there is still some hope for a fixed rear vision and realistic ammunition capacity...)

pourshot
04-21-2005, 07:09 PM
It's a dead horse Yimmy.

ps. someone will be along soon to tell you the mk21 did not ever have a rear gun(it did) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

p1ngu666
04-21-2005, 07:35 PM
pourshot, u sent the ammo thing to oleg?
if u find that pic... i lost it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

RAAF_Furball
04-21-2005, 09:03 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Yes, PLEASE !!

or at least the ability to change to this position to view rearwards

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Daiichidoku
04-21-2005, 09:56 PM
Ive seen two screenies of a rear pit modelled fo rthis type

its in one of the 3 or 4 other old beaufighters threads....

whoever modelled the beau for PF included two pits....one with the gun in the stowed poition, and one with it mounted

it was the same standard as the rest of the model, oleg did not include it for an unspecified reason

perhaps that reason was the "lack of space" on the 2PF cds...

could we possibly be getting a rear beau pit for 4.0??????

p1ngu666
04-21-2005, 10:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
Ive seen two screenies of a rear pit modelled fo rthis type

its in one of the 3 or 4 other old beaufighters threads....

whoever modelled the beau for PF included two pits....one with the gun in the stowed poition, and one with it mounted

it was the same standard as the rest of the model, oleg did not include it for an unspecified reason

perhaps that reason was the "lack of space" on the 2PF cds...

could we possibly be getting a rear beau pit for 4.0?????? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

really? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
be great to have, but havent heard anything http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Daiichidoku
04-22-2005, 09:55 AM
yes...they DO exist...I dont have the time, inclination or patience to look thru old ORR posts to find them....and I cant seem to get any decent results from searches, either, so....

fidzzz
04-25-2005, 11:32 AM
also why is it ingame the 2nd seat in the beau doesnt got no gun, but it fires ??? no gun to be seen but yet magic bullets seem to expel themselves from the 2nd seat canopy, i only wish that the 2nd seat wud be available to the player

p1ngu666
04-25-2005, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fidzzz:
also why is it ingame the 2nd seat in the beau doesnt got no gun, but it fires ??? no gun to be seen but yet magic bullets seem to expel themselves from the 2nd seat canopy, i only wish that the 2nd seat wud be available to the player <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

NEVER seen that.

fidzzz
04-25-2005, 02:45 PM
its there beleive me, i was stunned when i firt saw it cuz at first i didnt think it had rear guns but since i first noticed it i have seen it numerous times since...

pourshot
04-25-2005, 04:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fidzzz:
its there beleive me, i was stunned when i firt saw it cuz at first i didnt think it had rear guns but since i first noticed it i have seen it numerous times since... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you are confused, can you please provide a track. If you cant post it here I will give you my email addy.

fidzzz
04-26-2005, 09:13 PM
dude, confused, how do u know what i see and what i dont, and why wud i wanna make a track and send it to u ?, if i say it was shooting then believe it or not, i dont care what u think, but i seen it numerous times for it not to be shooting, its just that there aint no gun to be seen, but u can see the bullets heading away from the back of the aircraft and also it fires to different sides of the aircraft just like someone was swinging the gun around, oh and it was on quick mission with only 1 aircraft as bait that i first noticed it, and that aircraft was shot down by the pilot and then the back dude started to fire on the remainder of the aircraft that was going down after we had passed each other , head on he went under and i went slightly above him, and i been playing il2 since its inception for it to be a noob mistake of me thinking the guns are firing when its not. and yes i was stunned to see it was firing when i first saw it cuz i flew the beau many times b4 i actually noticed it...

ImpStarDuece
04-26-2005, 09:35 PM
I am sure that the Beaufighter has NO, repeat, NO rear gun.

Are you sure that you didn't accidnetally hit the Blenheim instead of the Beaufighter in QMB? I think they are immediately after each other in the QMB list of opponents, are roughly the same size, shape and layout and the Blenheim DOES have a rear gun, possibly a single .303 Browning.

One of my standard practice runs in the QMB is 8 ace Beaufighters vs me in a P-47 and I have never seen the Beaufighter have any type of defensive fire. I have run this at least 3 or four DOZEN times and I would be down-right jaw dropped if the Beau accquired a rear machine gun.

fidzzz
04-26-2005, 09:42 PM
also if i remeber correctly it doesnt make a noise and it does'nt happen all the time, so it leads me to believe that it was a bug, something like still having another aircrafts backseat firing position still in memory and it used that when the mission loaded, i really dunno, but what i have seen is yellow tracers moving from left to right and the gun or lack of was firing without noise, so maybe u havent noticed it cuz u havent heard it fire and just presume that it doesnt fire because thats what u have been told, but i believe there is a bug that can make it happen, try a few missions using outside view and c if u can see it fire...
I am not gonna argue over it, i am just stating that i know it shudnt " in the game that is" or doesnt have a rear gun but i just passing on what i have seen, it cud quite possibly be that the mission loaded wrongly or some or quirk of fate that did it, but i have seen it about 3-4 times and it leads me to believe that something is happening, either in the programming or the loading of the game, I r positive that it was beau as me only fly beau's, well since pf came out anyway.
and i only noticed it in patch 3.04...

pourshot
04-26-2005, 09:52 PM
dude, confused, how do u know what i see and what i dont, and why wud i wanna make a track and send it to u ?, if i say it was shooting then believe it or not, i dont care what u think


Wow talk about rude, I suggested you post a track here or post it to me so I could host it so that we could all see what you are saying is correct or simply a mistake because nobody else has ever seen this and would mean we don€t need to hassle Oleg to fix it, do you understand now?

This is Olegs ready room after all, the place we ask for things to be fixed. Personally I think you have mistaken what aircraft we are talking about.

Oh and one more thing you attitude marks you as a noob no matter how long you have played this game.

fidzzz
04-26-2005, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by pourshot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">dude, confused, how do u know what i see and what i dont, and why wud i wanna make a track and send it to u ?, if i say it was shooting then believe it or not, i dont care what u think


Wow talk about rude, I suggested you post a track here or post it to me so I could host it so that we could all see what you are saying is correct or simply a mistake because nobody else has ever seen this and would mean we don€t need to hassle Oleg to fix it, do you understand now?

This is Olegs ready room after all, the place we ask for things to be fixed. Personally I think you have mistaken what aircraft we are talking about.

Oh and one more thing you attitude marks you as a noob no matter how long you have played this game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
u can speak duma$$ who was it who called someone a noob for using caps ??? and that wasnt rude ?

pourshot
04-26-2005, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by fidzzz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pourshot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">dude, confused, how do u know what i see and what i dont, and why wud i wanna make a track and send it to u ?, if i say it was shooting then believe it or not, i dont care what u think



Wow talk about rude, I suggested you post a track here or post it to me so I could host it so that we could all see what you are saying is correct or simply a mistake because nobody else has ever seen this and would mean we don€t need to hassle Oleg to fix it, do you understand now?

This is Olegs ready room after all, the place we ask for things to be fixed. Personally I think you have mistaken what aircraft we are talking about.

Oh and one more thing you attitude marks you as a noob no matter how long you have played this game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
u can speak duma$$ who was it who called someone a noob for using caps ??? and that wasnt rude ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You bet you were rude, you should know better than to shout like that.

ps. Still waiting for that track or maybe you just dreamed it all up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ImpStarDuece
04-26-2005, 10:11 PM
I'll second pourshots opinions on this:

Even if you have played Il2 since the beginning of the serise, your attitude smacks to me of someone who is either very new to the game or has no respect for the opinions of others

By the way, typing in all CAPITAL LETTERS is considered SHOUTING, and is actually a pretty serious breach of internet and forum ettiqute. As is your persistent failure to use proper English. This isn't a text message and it isn't internet chat. You have a keyboard and PLENTY of time to write a intelligble response without resorting to abbreviations. Punctuation, grammar, correct paragraphing and spelling (although I admit I am guilty of poor spelling myself) all help and might make people take you a little more seriously.

If you have a track, prove your assertions, otherwise, 3 people have called you on it, so back down.