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fluke39
09-11-2005, 03:18 PM
I Have heard a few things about the "Battle over Europe" expansion for FB and i think general opinion was that it wasnt really worth buying - however i found it in a nearby shop for 2.99 (preowned) so i thought it pick it up anyway.

before i install it can anyone tell me:

a) if it installs ok over PF? (i mean fb+aep+pf)
b) If the "new ground objects" in it have been included in any of the normal FB/PF patches?
c) IIRC i tihnk it says something about a new dynamic campaign genertor - is this right and if so will i still be able to use normal dgen for other campaigns etc?
d) is it actually any good /worth installing? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

thanks alot in advance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fluke39
09-11-2005, 03:18 PM
I Have heard a few things about the "Battle over Europe" expansion for FB and i think general opinion was that it wasnt really worth buying - however i found it in a nearby shop for 2.99 (preowned) so i thought it pick it up anyway.

before i install it can anyone tell me:

a) if it installs ok over PF? (i mean fb+aep+pf)
b) If the "new ground objects" in it have been included in any of the normal FB/PF patches?
c) IIRC i tihnk it says something about a new dynamic campaign genertor - is this right and if so will i still be able to use normal dgen for other campaigns etc?
d) is it actually any good /worth installing? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

thanks alot in advance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zeus-cat
09-11-2005, 03:46 PM
a) I have BOE and enjoy it. It is a skins and missions/campaign pack. It SHOULD install OK over PF, but I can't confirm that.

b) It contains no objects. It uses the objects added during the AEP epansion.

c) IIRC BOE was released by a third party with Oleg's to help them make some money for all of the free work they did in supporting AEP. Again, IIRC dgen is what they developed for AEP, so there SHOULD not be a conflict.

d) It is definetly worth installing.

e) This is free advice, so you get what you pay for. I really don't think you will have a problem, but...

Zeus-cat

Low_Flyer_MkII
09-11-2005, 04:11 PM
What Zeus_cat said. Plus there's a patch available from the Just Flight website to enable Spits & B-25's. Some of the missions generated with lots of B-17's in the air might hit your framerates - but @ 2.99, go for it.

major_setback
09-11-2005, 06:30 PM
BoE has some amazing aircraft skins, especially for the B17s. The campaigns make good use of the Normandy map. (Look out for Caen Castle).

I spend at least 50% of my offline gaming in BoE campaigns, usually in Spitfires, and just after the D-Day invasion. There is plenty of low, close fighting to be had!

I find the campaigns very immersive. I really like the commanding officer's upper-class banter, and how he makes cynical comments if you don't do well on a mission...and how he offers to buy you a drink later in the mess if you've excelled!

han freak solo
09-11-2005, 06:42 PM
A. Installed over FB/AEP/PF just fine over here
B. Haven't paid attention enough to notice
C. ???? No experience there
D. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Don't forget the patches if your disc doesn't come with it. You may need to keep the disc in your CD drive for authentication of the patch install. It is here - http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_3p_boe.htm

Look for the tiny print at the lower left of the webpage.

Zeus-cat
09-11-2005, 09:18 PM
There is an unofficial patch too. It was released by the developer a few months ago. It was NOT released through JustFlight. Dang if I can remember where I got it?!?

Zeus-cat

AstroCat
09-11-2005, 09:41 PM
Check here for both patches:

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_3p_boe.htm

The links are at the bottom of the page.

major_setback
09-12-2005, 04:29 AM
Does anyone know what the second patch does (what improvements are implemented)? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

han freak solo
09-12-2005, 06:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
Does anyone know what the second patch does (what improvements are implemented)? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The upgrade from JustFlight has the RAF included in the campaigns. The problem is I can't find the download link at JustFlight anymore.

The patch at airwarfare? I can't remember if that just makes it 4.01 compatible or if it is the JustFlight upgrade.

tomtheyak
09-12-2005, 06:59 AM
Right.

BoE is very good for an offline Western Front campaign - I don't use anything else! Skins range from v. good to excellent with some historical niggles (but thats just me being an anorak) and the missions range from walk in the park stuff to some very challenging, particularly the mud moving.
The missions sometimes get a litle samey, but not often enough to get really frustrating.
The large bomber escort missions can hit the framerates on mid-level machines (27 B-17s + 6 US fighters + 6 LW interceptors = FPS KILLER!) but all round i'd give it 8 out of 10.

Installation with PF is no problems - in fact I'd recommend a post PF install to keep the BoE medals and pilot photos (better than PF defaults).

You'll then need the AEP patch to get the RAF Spitfire IX campaign and include other AI a/c such as B-25, C-47 etc.

You do NOT NEED the PF patch to run BoE campaigns within PF, however i would HEARTILY recommend getting it as it updates all the DB files for the Ardennes and Normandy maps with GB & US AAA & artillery guns (instead of USSR and German substitutes in the original versions) and also makes use of the new PF ships, and smoke and fire effects which look very nice indeed.

Both are at the airewarfare link.

AEP_patch and PF patch bottm left of the article, small print, light blue.

Well worth having in all!

fluke39
09-12-2005, 01:20 PM
cool ive been waiting for some really good campaigns with allied planes (at a low enough price tag http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

cheers for comments and links all - think i will install it in a minute...

Xiolablu3
09-12-2005, 06:01 PM
I csant believe I read this post before and missed you had posted it Fluke http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I have seen this cheap nearby too, I reckon if you are itching for some more single player campaigns and cant use Lowengrins DCG it may be a good buy.

Let me help you upgrade your computer, you can get a 2500+ athlon and good motherboard for about 40-50 now and whats that in the grand scheme of things?

Anyway, speak to ya soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Treesqueak
09-12-2005, 10:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomtheyak:
Installation with PF is no problems - in fact I'd recommend a post PF install to keep the BoE medals and pilot photos (better than PF defaults). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you saying install PF after BoE or vice versa?

Mike

tomtheyak
09-13-2005, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Are you saying install PF after BoE or vice versa?

Mike </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Either way works - with BoE AFTER PF tho, you get some better looking pilot pics for the USAAF campaigns (IMHO) tho RAF stay the same and medals for USAAF are better I think. It's up to you!

Tom

fluke39
09-13-2005, 12:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I csant believe I read this post before and missed you had posted it Fluke http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I have seen this cheap nearby too, I reckon if you are itching for some more single player campaigns and cant use Lowengrins DCG it may be a good buy.

Let me help you upgrade your computer, you can get a 2500+ athlon and good motherboard for about 40-50 now and whats that in the grand scheme of things?

Anyway, speak to ya soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


hehe its been a few weeks since we spoke :as regards it being a good buy - i already bought it before i posted - i was just wondering whether it was worth installing (+ any issues)
(i also bought another copy of FB for 1.99 on the same day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif just in case i scratch mine!)

anyhow you'll have to give us some advice on motherboards etc - its my BDay comin' soon so i may be able to talk my folks into shelling out for something http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


also cheers tomtheyak i shall defintely do a post PF install (as you suggested - and as it fits with the fact i cant be arsed to uninstall/reinstall everything first!)

fluke39
09-14-2005, 12:14 PM
Just out of interest - do the patches just include the extra planes as ai only or can you fly them? - also do they include any bomber campaigns?

fluke39
09-14-2005, 01:08 PM
sorry maybe my last post wasnt very clear - what i meant was do the BoE patches enable you to fly the newer planes in campaigns onr does it just integrate them into teh campaigns as AI planes - also does it enable you to fly bombers such as B25 in campaigns?

major_setback
09-14-2005, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fluke39:
Just out of interest - do the patches just include the extra planes as ai only or can you fly them? - also do they include any bomber campaigns? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are no EXTRA flyable planes, the add-on makes use of the original (FB) games' planes plus those planes that came with AEP (and maybe some that have become available through subsequent patches too?).
You get to chose the paint schemes you want in the usual FB manner; by clicking the 'arming' button after loading the campaign and the clicking on 'aircraft customization' and changing your own skin (other aircraft's skins cannot be changed by the player, only the players own aircraft).

There are (after a QUICK look in the paint schemes folder, DON'T QUOTE ME!!!) amongst others:
3 Bf109G skins (with markings AND blank).
1 Bf109G-10 skin (With and without markings).
1 Bf109G-14 skin (With and without...).
1 Bf109-K4 skin (Wiyh and without...).
14 B17G skins (Very good! Markings only).
1 Bf110C-4B skin (Night, without markings).
1 FW190A-4 skin (without...).
3 FW190A-8 skins (with and without...).
1 Fw190D-9 skin (With and without...)
1 Blenheim IV skin (With and without RAF markings).
1 Hurricane mkIIc skin (Night reaper, markings, downloaded as a patch if I remember rightly. Very Good! Note: A Night Reaper mission is included).
3 P47D-10 skins (with and without...).
6 P47D-22 skins (some with and some without markings).
11 P47D-27 skins (Some with and some without markings).
12 P47D-5NT skins.
Maybe more?

Missions:
There are only 3 Single Missions to chose from, one for USAF (P51), one for RAF (Night Reaper) and one for Germany (FW190A-8).

Campaigns (marked with 'BoE'):

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE01.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE02.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE03.jpg

My screenshots using the skins in Quick Mission Builder:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE04a.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE05a.jpg

major-setback. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
09-14-2005, 02:58 PM
Like the 2nd 109 v B-17 screenie.

There are P-51 skins, too. Might be the best 3 quid you've spent lately http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

major_setback
09-14-2005, 03:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fluke39:
sorry maybe my last post wasnt very clear - what i meant was do the BoE patches enable you to fly the newer planes in campaigns onr does it just integrate them into teh campaigns as AI planes - also does it enable you to fly bombers such as B25 in campaigns? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You get to escort B25s but not to fly them (this could partly be because they were only made flyable after PF came out). The only bombing missions, as far as I can see, are either as fighter-bomber (Spits--occasionally loaded up--, P38, P47, P51, more maybe?) on the allied side, and as Ju87, Bf110, Fw190? more?) on the 'Blue' side.

This might give some idea of the choices available:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE06.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE07.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE08.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BoE09a.jpg

major_setback
09-14-2005, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
Like the 2nd 109 v B-17 screenie....

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fluke39
09-14-2005, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:


There are no EXTRA flyable planes,
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I realise this; i was just asking how the new planes were integrated.

Treesqueak
09-14-2005, 06:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomtheyak:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Are you saying install PF after BoE or vice versa?

Mike </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Either way works - with BoE AFTER PF tho, you get some better looking pilot pics for the USAAF campaigns (IMHO) tho RAF stay the same and medals for USAAF are better I think. It's up to you!

Tom </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Got it.