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Bsnakeman
03-14-2006, 12:33 PM
S !

In real life those italian machine guns of the MacchiÔ┬┤s 202 & 205 are that crappy ? Is a beautiful firework but, nothing else.

Thanks !

Best,

Bsnakeman
03-14-2006, 12:33 PM
S !

In real life those italian machine guns of the MacchiÔ┬┤s 202 & 205 are that crappy ? Is a beautiful firework but, nothing else.

Thanks !

Best,

TheCrux
03-14-2006, 02:14 PM
Read/analyze and draw your own conclusion...

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-pe.html

Manuel29
03-14-2006, 02:37 PM
Read the last posts

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9801058024

mortoma
03-14-2006, 09:34 PM
I think markmanship with it is key, same with any weakly armed plane. I have an offline campaign going where I started flying the MC-200 and now the 202. My list of kills is about comparable to my lists for other planes after the same amount of sorties. Below is my logbook showing my kills in both aircraft, 46 kills in 27 sorties. I must doing something right and you something wrong. As you can see it can be done. Just practice a bit, probably on your gunnery skills. I am using the same weak guns you are.

DATE: 25 June 1942
PLANE: Mc 200
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Ukolovo
FLIGHT TIME: 0:33
DATE: 26 June 1942
PLANE: Mc 200
MISSION: Patrol over airfield near Oboyan
EVENT: 11:14 Shot down IL-2 S of Bobrishovo
EVENT: 11:15 Shot down I-16 S of Oboyan
EVENT: 11:21 Shot down IL-2 S of Pristen
FLIGHT TIME: 0:30
DATE: 27 June 1942
PLANE: Mc 200
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Podolhi
FLIGHT TIME: 0:35
DATE: 28 June 1942
PLANE: Mc 200
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Korocha
EVENT: 14:29 Shot down LaGG-3 S4 N of Jablonevo
EVENT: 14:31 Shot down LaGG-3 S4 S of Jablonevo
EVENT: 14:44 Landed at Streletskoe airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:29
DATE: 29 June 1942
PLANE: Mc 200
MISSION: Scramble
EVENT: 0:08 Shot down SB-2 S of Gostischevo
EVENT: 0:19 Landed at Streletskoe airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:19
DATE: 30 June 1942
PLANE: Mc 200
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Korocha
EVENT: 9:09 Shot down I-16 N of Korocha
EVENT: 9:12 Shot down I-16 N of Korocha
EVENT: 9:13 Shot down I-16 N of Korocha
EVENT: 9:25 Landed at Streletskoe airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:25
DATE: 1 July 1942
PLANE: Mc 200
MISSION: Escort of recon plane to Jablonevo
EVENT: 16:56 Shot down I-16 NW of Streletskoe
EVENT: 17:01 Landed at Streletskoe airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:31
DATE: 2 July 1942
PLANE: Mc 200
MISSION: Protection of ground troops in the Znamenka area
EVENT: 9:11 Shot down I-16 N of Kotovo
EVENT: 9:32 Landed at Streletskoe airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:47
DATE: 3 July 1942
PLANE: Mc 200
MISSION: Scramble
EVENT: 10:25 Shot down I-16 W of Streletskoe
EVENT: 10:28 Shot down I-16 W of Streletskoe
EVENT: 10:32 Shot down I-16 SW of Streletskoe
EVENT: 10:36 Landed at Streletskoe airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:21
DATE: 12 September 1942
PLANE: CR_42
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Gorodische
EVENT: 6:13 Shot down Hurricane NW of Gorodische
EVENT: 6:27 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:27
DATE: 14 September 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Gumrak
EVENT: 9:43 Shot down Hurricane W of Gumrak
EVENT: 9:59 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:29
DATE: 16 September 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Pichuga
EVENT: 14:12 Shot down Hurricane NW of Pichuga
EVENT: 14:35 Landed at Kachalino airfield
EVENT: 14:51 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:35
DATE: 18 September 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Gorodische
EVENT: 14:08 Shot down I-16 E of Samofalovka
EVENT: 14:10 Shot down I-16 E of Samofalovka
EVENT: 14:29 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:29
DATE: 20 September 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Scramble
EVENT: 3:50 Shot down IL-2 S of Kachalino
EVENT: 3:53 Shot down IL-2 N of Kotluban
EVENT: 3:54 Shot down IL-2 N of Kotluban
EVENT: 3:57 Shot down IL-2 E of Samofalovka
EVENT: 4:05 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:20
DATE: 22 September 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Erzovka
EVENT: 8:11 Shot down P-40 NW of Erzovka
EVENT: 8:14 Shot down Yak-7B NW of Pichuga
EVENT: 8:27 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:27
DATE: 24 September 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Protection of ground troops in the Trekhostrovskaya area
EVENT: 13:07 Shot down IL-2 NW of Kotluban
EVENT: 13:09 Shot down IL-2 S of Trekhostrovskaya
EVENT: 13:18 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:18
DATE: 26 September 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Protection of Vertyachiy from air raids
EVENT: 15:26 Shot down IL-2 W of Kotluban
EVENT: 15:32 Landed in the field
EVENT: 15:32 Bailed S of Trekhostrovskaya
FLIGHT TIME: 0:17
DATE: 28 September 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Protection of ground troops in the Vertyachiy area
EVENT: 15:40 Shot down MiG-3UD S of Vertyachiy
EVENT: 15:46 Shot down I-153/M62 S of Vertyachiy
EVENT: 15:49 Shot down I-153/M62 NW of Karpovka
EVENT: 15:55 Shot down I-153/M62 S of Vertyachiy
FLIGHT TIME: 0:36
DATE: 30 September 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Escort of recon plane to Pitomnik
EVENT: 8:26 Shot down Yak-1 S of Pitomnik
EVENT: 8:28 Shot down Yak-1 W of Gorkovskiy
EVENT: 8:37 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:22
DATE: 2 October 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Volzhskiy
EVENT: 13:32 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:32
DATE: 4 October 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Volzhskiy
EVENT: 16:57 Shot down P-40 E of Erzovka
EVENT: 17:13 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:28
DATE: 6 October 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Free Hunt
EVENT: 7:41 Shot down Yak-1 NW of Stepnoy
EVENT: 8:06 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:36
DATE: 8 October 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Free Hunt
EVENT: 16:09 Shot down I-16 E of Loznoe
EVENT: 16:11 Shot down I-16 SE of Loznoe
EVENT: 16:24 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:24
DATE: 10 October 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Free Hunt
EVENT: 9:53 Shot down MiG-3UD E of Loznoe
EVENT: 9:55 Shot down Yak-7B SE of Loznoe
EVENT: 9:55 Shot down Yak-7B SE of Loznoe
EVENT: 10:09 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:24
DATE: 12 October 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Escort of bombers to Volzhskiy
EVENT: 10:12 Shot down I-16 S of Erzovka
EVENT: 10:15 Shot down I-16 S of Vodostroy
EVENT: 10:18 Shot down I-16 S of Erzovka
EVENT: 10:36 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:36
DATE: 15 October 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Escort of recon plane to Stalingrad
EVENT: 14:06 Landed in the field
FLIGHT TIME: 0:21
DATE: 18 October 1942
PLANE: Mc 202
MISSION: Free Hunt
EVENT: 6:39 Shot down Yak-1B NE of Loznoe
EVENT: 6:43 Shot down Hurricane NE of Loznoe
EVENT: 6:55 Landed at Kachalino airfield
FLIGHT TIME: 0:25

mortoma
03-15-2006, 09:30 AM
Flew two more sorties last night, first one I bagged one LaGG-3S4 and in the second one bagged
two LaGG-3S29s. If you can kill LaGGs, you can kill anything, period. Lest you forget, the LaGGs have a damage model from hell and therefore are difficult to kill even with cannon armed aircraft. Just shows what good shooting can do.

I am still flying the first series MC-202 which only has two nose machine guns.

I have tracks of many of these sorties should you doubt the validity of my sortie claims. I have a track of the sortie in the MC-200 where I killed 4 Sturmoviks in a few minutes. I'll send you any of the tracks so you can watch them and weep.

mortoma
03-16-2006, 05:45 PM
I guess I shut all the naysayers up on this issue!! Proof has a tendency to do that................

Sintubin
03-17-2006, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
Flew two more sorties last night, first one I bagged one LaGG-3S4 and in the second one bagged
two LaGG-3S29s. If you can kill LaGGs, you can kill anything, period. Lest you forget, the LaGGs have a damage model from hell and therefore are difficult to kill even with cannon armed aircraft. Just shows what good shooting can do.

I am still flying the first series MC-202 which only has two nose machine guns.

I have tracks of many of these sorties should you doubt the validity of my sortie claims. I have a track of the sortie in the MC-200 where I killed 4 Sturmoviks in a few minutes. I'll send you any of the tracks so you can watch them and weep. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes post track

With limited ammo

Ful real lets see

Sintubin
03-17-2006, 09:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
I guess I shut all the naysayers up on this issue!! Proof has a tendency to do that................ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not me mr NAYSAYERS ))

mortoma
03-17-2006, 11:46 AM
????????? Huh???