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bsengupta
02-11-2005, 06:43 PM
Hello Everyone:

Just purchased and installed Pacific Fighters, and I love what I see. But as an absolute beginner, I have no idea how to approach this.
I have never tried any flight sims of any kind before.

I've tried some of the training missions, like taking off from a ship... but I have no idea what should be happening (as opposed to what actually does happen). No idea how to define controls, etc.

Is there any sort of "Getting started" forum that you guys can recommend? Some introduction for someone who is basically clueless?

Thanks in advance,

B

bsengupta
02-11-2005, 06:43 PM
Hello Everyone:

Just purchased and installed Pacific Fighters, and I love what I see. But as an absolute beginner, I have no idea how to approach this.
I have never tried any flight sims of any kind before.

I've tried some of the training missions, like taking off from a ship... but I have no idea what should be happening (as opposed to what actually does happen). No idea how to define controls, etc.

Is there any sort of "Getting started" forum that you guys can recommend? Some introduction for someone who is basically clueless?

Thanks in advance,

B

tralkpha
02-11-2005, 07:02 PM
check out
http://www.airwarfare.com/guides.htm
lots of info for beginners http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

admobadmo
02-11-2005, 07:03 PM
If you haven't looked over at the General Discussions forums here yet, you might find this helpful:
Practice tips for newcomers.... (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=8901086932)

It looked good to me, although I haven't actaully done much of it myself yet...

Or do you need even more basic help, such as with the theory of flight and like that?

Gato__Loco
02-11-2005, 07:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> No idea how to define controls, etc.
B <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about reading the manual?

AlmightyTallest
02-11-2005, 07:06 PM
Welcome to the boards bsengupta! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Well, the first thing I did when I got this sim was to go to the controls section in the sim. Take a look at the list of controls, and there are a lot of them. I got a piece of paper and made a list of the commands I would most likely use while flying and fighting. Then I went back and assigned different commands.

After that, I basically just tried a few missions to see if I could stay in the sky http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Don't get discouraged by all the key commands and such, there's a select few that you will actually use that work for you.

I'm sure others will be along to help out more, I can only give you an example of my assigned key commands which I keep listed on a sheet of paper for quick reference http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Fire Extinguisher = E
Flaps up = F
Flaps down= V
Map=m
Show mirrors=ShiftM
Feather prop=ShiftF
Communications=Tab
Autopilot=A
Bail Out= Ctrl E
Gear up/down=G
Jettison Droptanks= Ctrl T
Arresting hook=H
Chocks=ShiftC


Get the idea? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I actually only have a few others I use assigned to the keyboard like Trimming controls and Complex Engine management controls. You need to find out which commands in the list will work for your controls setup and assign the keys that will help you remember what they do.

Again, I'm sure others will help you along, don't get discouraged by the controls, in battle you'll only really need to know how to fly the plane, get a target in your sights, and fire the guns http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-11-2005, 07:07 PM
We are busy fighting. Can you come back in 2 weeks? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Okay....lets see what this webboard can do for a flight sim Newbie.

New 3rd Party tutorial for PF ~~&gt; http://www.airwarfare.com/guides_pane.htm
(already posted...oh well..)

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Do you have a joystick? Or are you flying with keyboard? I started out with keyboard (this is my second flight sim, ye olde DOS 1995 Su~27 Flaker 1.0 was my first, also made in Russia lol).

Tell about your basic computer specs -- cpu, video card, and memory.

The Controls Menu is on page 27 of the PF manual. The "Readme" file should be in your PF folder. Read it.

There are infinitely many things you can do to mold your sim to your taste (I said mold not mod -- something we fight over ignore it). Text Icons for example. There are ways of totally modifying them in ways you would never imagine. When I first started up FB 1.0, and saw a whole line of text next to each airplane (Default icon behavior), I rolled on the floor laughing. But you can fix this, or keep it if you need the text information on each plane and pilot during a dogfight.

You will need some Patches from the ubi site here. Don't try a campaign until you get some Patches. You will need 3.03 and 3.04 -- ignore the others you only need the latest.

For flight sim Newbies, I suggest flying SBD or D3A dive bombers. Consider SBD as T6 Texan advanced trainer. One thing I wish flight sim Devs would do is make Flyable trainer aircraft appropriate for the historical era and nations they simulate.

Wellcome to Forgotten Board

bsengupta
02-11-2005, 07:42 PM
Thanks for the welcome guys, and for being generous with help. I'll take a good look through the sites you've mentioned.

I guess I'm wondering if this sim is for people who already have some basic understanding of how to fly. I do not!

Of course I've poured over the manual, but I believe the manual assumes the user has
1) past knowledge of computer flight sims.
2) some knowledge of flight.

I don't know such things as Fuel Mixture, etc.

Lex_Luther, I'm using keyboard alone, have Pentium IV, 2.4 gHz, but only the minimum 512 RAM. Still, seems to be okay. I have DirectX (9, I think). Well, I'll play around a bit and try to stay airborn. A few moments ago, I wound up upside down in the Pacific.

Thanks again,

B

indylavi
02-11-2005, 07:59 PM
Well the first thing I would recommend is to get a flight stick. You don't need an expensive one. I started with a saitek stick I bought at Walmart for $20.

The manual can be a bit light on the info part for new people if you just have PF.

Flying is easy, landing is the hard part http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
If you've never played a flight game I would lower the difficulty settings. If you don't you might become too frustrated at first and just stop playing. So get a flight stick when you can and then slightly increase the difficulty settings the more comfortable you get with flying. I wouldn't focus on fuel mixture or prop pitch or feathering for now. You just need the absolute basics. So I'd just start a QMB with no enemies and just fly around. Learn the cockpit gauges and then move on from there

LEXX_Luthor
02-11-2005, 08:00 PM
Keyboard flying will make you stall and flip upside down. For now, try the SBD "Dauntless" and D3A "Val" dive bombers, they don't stall as easy (actually I have yet to stall the D3A.

I use the inexpensive 20$ Saitek Cyborg Graphite. I found it at WalMarts. for 20$ its a good starter stick (although I continue to use it for many reasons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif ).

Joystick is on page 12 of the manual; a tiny paragraph at the bottom of the page.

Translation:: The "setup" program is in your FB folder.

With 20$ Saitek Cyborg Graphite, you do NOT have any joystick software drivers to install. Sweet indeed.

Get a joystick and we will help you set it up properly in the game.

There are fancy X45 or X55 joysticks out there but they are expensive and have terrible feel (for me), and are ~very~ complex to set up which you don't need right now. Later these uber joysticks' monster Features you can begin to appreciate and so then get the monster joysticks.

Czech out WalMarts in your area for this 20$ joystick. You can always upgrade later to a monster stick, or like me, stay with the amazingly rugged and fairly simple Graphite. Get it, and you will see why its so nice when you later go into the computer stores and test the "feel" of the more advanced joysticks and you recoil in Horror at what you feel (they feel like a wet fish, or limp handshake, after you have beheld the grip of the Graphite http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).

bsengupta
02-11-2005, 08:06 PM
Thank you again!

Next stop, Walmart. Talk to you after I get "on the stick".

Take care,

B

LEXX_Luthor
02-11-2005, 08:16 PM
I'd like to try something new, a new teaching method. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Fly with Stalls and Spins enabled. But fly the D3A Val. Try it see what happens in the Quick Mission Builder. You can set yourself up as the only plane in a Quick Mission and buzz around.

You can map a key control to open the canopy.
Toggle Gunsight view shows you a closeup view through the telescopic sight which is, naturally, covered by Default. Ctrl+D opens the sight so you see through it.

p1ngu666
02-11-2005, 08:21 PM
luther, yak7 is training aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

oh u could learn to fly bomber, no joystick needed for bombers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-11-2005, 08:26 PM
No Yaks in PF.

Pilots did not learn how to fly using Yak~7, a very advanced 2 seat fighter trainer, later made into fighter with rear seat removed. I know you know this, others may not. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Big bombers were hard to fly.

indylavi
02-11-2005, 09:37 PM
Luthor, I actually think flying full real with a teacher or squadmate is the best way. However, if they are alone and never flown an airplane before I think stalls will just frustrate them. To understand why a plane stalls you need to know about engine power, angles, and other stuff too complicated for a total noobie to grasp all at once in my opinion. Of course I wouldn't recommend flying "arcade" settings for long as it will only teach you how to fly the wrong way.

A good question would be if bsengupta is interested in flying with a squad/teacher or if a squad would be willing to help train them? I'd be willing to get on teamspeak to help bsengupta out but my squad is not a flight sim exclusive squad. So perhaps I can't offer the same total immersion as a full dedicated flight squadron can.

Slick750
02-11-2005, 09:40 PM
Good times, I remember discovering IL2...all you need now is a winning lottery ticket so you can retire and play more.

AlmightyTallest
02-11-2005, 09:47 PM
See bsengupta, the help came fast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think you'll enjoy flying much more when you use the joystick. And like the others have said, don't worry about fuel mixtures and prop pitch for now, you can go into the game settings and turn off Complex Engine Management so you don't have to worry about such things.

These guys won't steer you wrong, and you'll get the hang of flying pretty quick I'm sure.

_Ddave_
02-11-2005, 11:36 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifHowdy,
A perfect place for you is the Joint Operations Virtual Flight School.They start from the very beginning and assume all students know nothing about flying or flight sims.They will teach everything about the sim,flying and what you need to do to your comp and game settings.A VERY patient and talented bunch of folks and nice as they come.Here's the link to there forums....Joint Operations Flight School (http://64.92.119.15/forum/default.asp)

GL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-12-2005, 03:21 AM
Idndy:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>However, if they are alone and never flown an airplane before I think stalls will just frustrate them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, it frustrated me when I got started. That's why D3A makes a "Full Real" training plane. You can't stall it no matter what you do. Pretty much the same with SBD.

This is why I wish flight sim Deves would make historically relevant Flyable flight training aircraft, one for each side say. If I were making a flight sim I would put a click pic of the training plane on the game menu. You click it to find a menu for quick training mission options which start you in the air near a landing field, or start you on the ground ready for takeoff.

JunkoIfurita
02-13-2005, 09:31 PM
Hey bsengupta,

All this has been good advice so far, I just thought I'd add mine :-P

For a beginner's joystick, I'd reccomend the Top Gun Afterburner II by Thrustmaster. It's a bit more exy than the basic Saitek, but it has all important features of a separate throttle, a twist rudder (or rocker, you can select either) and a POV hat for looking around. It also has 8 buttons, so you can asign your most-used commands to have them where you want them, without the insanity of command-assignment that comes with the Saitek X52. Either way, a stick of some kind is absolutely essential.

While you are learning to fly, use the Ctrl-F1 'wonder woman view' so that you can start to figure things out. Many people find that the cockpit gets in the way early on, and they find it very difficult to get the right landing angle while the airstrip is technically 'blind' to them. Press Ctrl-F1 three times to get the view without the annoying flickery velocity pip, and a few more times to get back to cockpit view.

The only other thing I'd add, as an option (because I know you've already put too much money in for a beginning), is to consider getting the Forgotten Battles/Aces Expansion Pack Gold Pack. This was the Sim that spawned Pacific Fighters, and can actually be installed together with Pacific Fighters to give you a full, multi-front sim. The reason I'm mentioning this (despite the fact that it's an awesome game) is that it has a series of beginners 'training tracks' that cover the very basics of flight inside the game, where you can see everything as its supposed to happen. They cover taking off, landing, aerobatic maneuvers, interpreting cockpit dials, aerial gunnery and bombing. As Pacific Fighters was more or less created as an 'add-on' for Forgotten Battles/Aces Expansion, the only training tracks they included were the extras required, such as Aircraft Carrier Take-off and landing.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Junko 'Ifurita' Kimura

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JunkoIfurita
02-13-2005, 09:44 PM
Oh, and...

regarding difficulty settings, for an absolute beginner, make sure the 'complex engine management' is unchecked, as that removes a lot of stuff such as prop-pitch, radiator, mixture, etc that you won't want to worry about as you learn to fly. Make sure 'separate engine start' is unchecked, and 'map icons', 'minimap path' and 'icons' are checked.

I'd reccomend leaving the 'realistic takeoff/landing' checked. This will make the initial learning curve tougher, but without it you'll get an incredibly nasty surprise when you decide to turn it back on. (what? I blow up if I land too fast? My landing gear can break?)

Same goes for redout/blackout. Learn to compensate for those early.

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