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Afromike1
06-05-2008, 05:28 PM
What do you guys think is the best bf-109 in IL-2 and please give your reasons why

Afromike1
06-05-2008, 05:28 PM
What do you guys think is the best bf-109 in IL-2 and please give your reasons why

DKoor
06-05-2008, 05:35 PM
In IL2:

In the terms of domination vs historical opponents it's the Bf-109F4 in game.

In the terms of being the best Bf-109 in game (overall performance wise), it's the Bf-109G6AS.

IRL:

Differs from IL2.

JSG72
06-05-2008, 05:35 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Best! Within IL2?

G-14 No question.It can has the 108/Era haube/ Larger mainwheels/WEP. And has cool green lines on the canopy as an aid for divebombing

You will only get a couple of posts because this has been asked so many times.

Many members have to rub ointment on their wrists, because of the number of times, they have had to post a reply. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

dwagener
06-05-2008, 05:39 PM
I like the F4. Its light in weight, pretty well armed, flies predictably and has that great throaty engine sound(WELL THEY ALL SOUND GREAT). The G2 is a smidgen faster & can carry a bomb, but no for dogfighting I like the F4. Also all the guns are up in the cowling which makes it forgiving in the way of convergence.

With a bit of forward thinking you can out fly a spit.

Schwarz.13
06-05-2008, 06:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSG72:
G-14 No question.It can has the 108/Era haube/ Larger mainwheels/WEP. And has cool green lines on the canopy as an aid for divebombing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Somehow i'm not sure you're being serious http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

As far as i'm aware, the larger mainwheels were introduced with the G-2 (not that that would make any difference in-game IMO), and any 109, including and after the G-6 late, has the MK108, Erla Haube and WEP!

So if you like "cool green lines" then by all means choose the G-14 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

JSG72
06-05-2008, 06:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Schwarz.13:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSG72:
G-14 No question.It can has the 108/Era haube/ Larger mainwheels/WEP. And has cool green lines on the canopy as an aid for divebombing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Somehow i'm not sure you're being serious http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

As far as i'm aware, the larger mainwheels were introduced with the G-2 (not that that would make any difference in-game IMO), and any 109, including and after the G-6 late, has the MK108, Erla Haube and WEP!

So if you like "cool green lines" then by all means choose the G-14 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif G-14 also had Fug 16?( In game use?) the G2 would hve a bigger non retractable tail wheel compared to F-4. and also 2 small scoops for AFAIK. ATMO. oil cooling on sides of front cowling. G-14. had larger mainwheels as evidence IG. by the larger(Full chord) wing bulges.

G2 should not have wing bulges at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
G6 AS would have G6 wing bulges.(Smaller kidney shaped) but can also be construde as a G14 AS. if you like but without the radio. (although this may also have been left out depending on Werk. No.) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

ImMoreBetter
06-05-2008, 08:59 PM
I vote for G2 or G6AS.

Though the G-14's ugly nose bumps make it look the best.

leitmotiv
06-05-2008, 09:07 PM
I like the G-6/AS simply because it was a beast compared to the Allied equipment when it entered service around May 1944. Used as it was designed to be used, as a top cover fighter for packs of 190A-8 Rammjäger, it is a pleasure to "fly."

TinyTim
06-06-2008, 03:14 AM
Versus historical fighter opponents, F4. It's the best fighter in ETO on western or eastern front. It even beats the 1942 model of SpitVb that we have modelled.

Overall, G10. Rocket climb, fair maneouverability, impressive altitude performance, fast (at all altitudes), versatility (lotsa loadout options - 20mm, 30mm cannons, bombs...).

JG52Karaya-X
06-06-2008, 06:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TinyTim:
Overall, G10. Rocket climb, fair maneouverability, impressive altitude performance, fast (at all altitudes), versatility (lotsa loadout options - 20mm, 30mm cannons, bombs...). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you're mixing the G10 with our G6/AS (or G14/AS, however you want to call it). The G10 ingame only has 2 types of gunpods to choose from... no bombs, no drop tanks and no way to choose a 20mm instead of the 30mm Mk108.

However that doesnt mean the G10 is not a good performer but normally I choose the G6/AS over the G10 simply because it has slightly better performance up to 6000m, from there on the G10 shows to be superior (full pressure height of 7000m vs 6000m on the G6/AS).

We Bf109 whiners have been lobbying for more loadouts for the Bf109F and late G (G10, G14) for ages but without any success so far... very sad if you ask me. Correct turn times for the two Bf109G6 models would be highly appreciated as well (turns 2 seconds worse than it should)... but, oh well

Btw, my top3 of Messerschmitts would be (in no particular order)

- Bf109F4
- Bf109G2
- Bf109G6/AS

TinyTim
06-06-2008, 07:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TinyTim:
Overall, G10. Rocket climb, fair maneouverability, impressive altitude performance, fast (at all altitudes), versatility (lotsa loadout options - 20mm, 30mm cannons, bombs...). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you're mixing the G10 with our G6/AS (or G14/AS, however you want to call it). The G10 ingame only has 2 types of gunpods to choose from... no bombs, no drop tanks and no way to choose a 20mm instead of the 30mm Mk108.

However that doesnt mean the G10 is not a good performer but normally I choose the G6/AS over the G10 simply because it has slightly better performance up to 6000m, from there on the G10 shows to be superior (full pressure height of 7000m vs 6000m on the G6/AS).
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, that's the one, tx for correcting. I only choose G-10 (or maybe K-4) over G6AS if I'm going versus very high flying mustangs and thunderbolts. In all other cases G6AS is the first choice.

Metatron_123
06-06-2008, 08:11 AM
It seems that the Bf-109 K-4 C3 is pretty good on paper, better turning than the normal Bf-109 K-4:

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x286/metatron_123/Untitled-2.jpg

I just can't get used to using the damned Mk 108. It's like a grenade launcher. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

TinyTim
06-06-2008, 08:44 AM
Huh, that's weird. K4 for sure locks controls up more than G6AS at high speeds...

X32Wright
06-06-2008, 08:57 AM
For me its like this:

Overall balanced Bf-109: F4 (I love the MG 151/20)

Interceptor (aka fast climb): G2

Interceptor with boost: G-6/AS

Overall fighter: G-10 (K-4 parts in Gustav frame)

High Alt fighter: K-4 C3

if I have to only pick one it would be the F4 or G-10 for reasons above.

Brain32
06-06-2008, 09:46 AM
F4. I would even use F4 in 1946 as late 109's are the lamest POS I ever had the misfortune to fly in il-2...

Xiolablu3
06-06-2008, 10:28 AM
The G2 is obviously better than the F4 if both are available, it has almost the same flight model but is faster and climbs better.

The E, F and G2 are wicked rides, best/joint best in their year.

As for the later 109's, I just suck in them. I know some awesome pilots of the K4, G10 etc. In fact some of the best pilots I know fly the K4 as their 'plane of choice'.

I am just one of those many who really suck when flying them.

I wish I could find thoe 'HART_Dreyer' 109K4 tracks, that guy was awesome. He posted often tracks of 10 kill sorties on Warclouds and Greater Green in a 109K4, seriously. He loved the plane. I wonder where he went, he hasnt posted in ages since his tutorial on energy fighting vid.

It all depends on what sort/how good a pilot you are. Some of us suck in the late 109's, some are really good.


I agree that the jump from the G2 to the G6 seems a little too big for a smallish weight gain, however.

ali19891989
06-06-2008, 11:21 AM
Probably the G10, if it had the 20mm cannon option as well it would be great but nevermind. btw am I the only one that finds it more maneauverable than the G6/as?

CUJO_1970
06-09-2008, 09:22 AM
Without a doubt, 109G2 up to 1943. It is faster than the F4 and just as maneuverable. In a 1942 scenerio the G2 is capable of dominating anything else unless you go with a completely fake airplane with a fake FM like the I-185.

The overmodelled P-39 is also a tough matchup.

You can stall fight, TnB, and energy fight with the 109G2, depending on the opponent. You can basically exploit the weakness of _any contemporary_ red fighter with the many strengths of the 109G2.

There aren't really any online servers where you can team up the 109G2 and the 190A-4 on any consistent basis against their contemporary red opponents, be they American, British, or Russian - because it basically ends up being an online slaughterhouse.

The MK-108 nose gun is a handicap for all late-war 109s. What I wouldn't give for the 20mm option for the G-10 and K-4.

steiner562
06-09-2008, 09:25 AM
G2 for me shes a sweet ride.

Xiolablu3
06-09-2008, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
.

There aren't really any online servers where you can team up the 109G2 and the 190A-4 on any consistent basis against their contemporary red opponents, be they American, British, or Russian - because it basically ends up being an online slaughterhouse.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a desert map (loosely representing Malta but without the Luftwaffe hugely outnumbering the RAF/RAAF/RCAF) on the Skies Of Valour server which pits limited 109G2/Fw190A4 and full 109F4's against SPitfire Vc.

And you are dead right it IS a slaughterhouse for red each time I played it...

Sometimes its fun to try fling red against the odds, but unless the LW pilot decides to engage, you can do little to force him, all he has to do is nose down and head for help or come back when he's in a better position.

JSG72
06-09-2008, 01:51 PM
Apologies to those who may have interpreted my post as "In th hands of the Luftwaffe". Of course the Hungarians made better use of the G-14. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Perhaps I mean "In Game". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

No I mean reality.(No Charts, victory/loss lists. Good Lord! I must be insane?)To say my opinions.

zxwings
06-09-2008, 09:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Metatron_123:
I just can't get used to using the damned Mk 108. It's like a grenade launcher. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Interesting comment! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

mortoma
06-10-2008, 01:44 PM
The G2 is the best balance. I was flying in a coop last night and got into a fight with someone named
#### Graf. I was in a very maneuverable Yak-1B and got into a slow stall/knife fight with him that lasted 10 minutes as we were in a merry-go-round at low altitude. I was finally able to out turn him but he pulled some good maneuvers and we got into a loops where we ended up head on. I got his engine smoking bad but about two turns later he got me worse and PK'd me. The sheer power to weight ratio a G2 has allows it to stall fight with the best of them.

About two weeks ago I was in another coop and I was flying a G2 that time. We were against P-40s
and bombers and we slaughtered them. Those p-40s might as well have been Piper Cubs against the G2s we flew.

BWaltteri
06-11-2008, 03:59 AM
F-2 and F-4 are the best fighters in the world when they come around but still I like G-series because they can carry useful supplements.

If you have 8 109G's you can arm half of them with gunpods and send them against bombers while you yourself keep the fighters away. Nothing is more pleasing than 16 enemy planes shot down to no own losses.