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imelite
11-08-2005, 03:28 PM
I was just looking for some help on setting up my keyboard and mouse for Pacific Fighters. I know everyone is going to recommend a joystick, but I don't have one right now and until I get one I still would like to play and start learning. Also, when I do decide to pick up a joystick what one would you recommend? Thanks for the help.

EDIT: Would a PS2 controller work better then the keyboard and mouse, cause I have a PS2 controller also.

imelite
11-08-2005, 03:28 PM
I was just looking for some help on setting up my keyboard and mouse for Pacific Fighters. I know everyone is going to recommend a joystick, but I don't have one right now and until I get one I still would like to play and start learning. Also, when I do decide to pick up a joystick what one would you recommend? Thanks for the help.

EDIT: Would a PS2 controller work better then the keyboard and mouse, cause I have a PS2 controller also.

russ.nl
11-08-2005, 03:48 PM
First welcom to the IL-2 madnes imelite. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif Once you get the flying experiance it will be as an adixion.
2nd, you got to have a stick otherwice you will never get the real(sim) flying experiance.
When I bought my first IL-2 sturmovik I also bought a cheap stick just for trying, it didn't even have a twist handle. It was a stick from Trust, and let me tell you; never trust Trust. It was I think E15,-. After 3 mounts it was useless and then I bought a good one.
In the mean time just use the arrow keys and the setting as they are in the game. Tap on the arrow keys in different speeds for most effective use.
I don't know about the ps2 controler. Just find it out yourself.
For sticks look at http://www.saitek.com/ or http://www.chproducts.com/ or http://europe.thrustmaster.com/eng/products.
I hope this will help you a little.

Fly save, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

imelite
11-08-2005, 05:10 PM
Is it me or does it seem like forever trying to get to the objectives. I know i put it on auto pilot and left it like that for 15-20 min and I still hadn't reached wherever it was I was suppose to go. Also, it seems like they just throw you in a plane and don't really explain objectives or where to go to get to them objectives. Is it really like this or am I missing something?

Zeus-cat
11-08-2005, 05:44 PM
You can accelerate (2X, 4X, 8X) and decelerate (1/2X, 1/4X) time in the game. Look for this in the Controls section.

A joystick is a must. You might be able to use a PS2 controller, but I don't have one so I can't comment on it. My joystick is a MS FFB2, which is no longer available. Search the forums for recommendations.

Zeus-cat

LEXX_Luthor
11-08-2005, 05:50 PM
IL2 / Forgotten Battles was my first Windows game, and I started out without any joystick and worse -- Trident integrated motherboard grafix. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif Needless to say, I spent my first few months not flying much but learning and working the deep Full Mission Builder and experimenting with AI behavior and the minute details of making realistic yet immersive missions. When I got my first 20$ Saitek Cyborg Graphite stick and ATI-9200 I could finally fly the sim nicely. I now have ATI-9800 but I stay with my first 20$ joystick. Why?


What is a good Joysick? ~> http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/6881026063

Read carefully as the answer may pleasantly surprise you. http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/ylflower.gif

LEXX_Luthor
11-08-2005, 06:03 PM
If you find you enjoy and wish to stay with the sim, you can get inexpensive 40$ racing pedals to control the rudder -- just plug in USB port and fly. Rudder control is important in this sim. I first used keyboard or my titanic Graphite throttle but when I got my racing pedals (no force feedback) I was finally able to start hitting targets in a consistent manner.

I guess you are using key controls for looking around the sky. Try the mouse instead, its infinitely more usable than keyboard or even joystick hat switches (I use them for zoom controls and other things). Eventually, you may wish to map elevator trim to mouse wheel in the HOTAS block at the bottom of the game Controls section.

imelite
11-08-2005, 06:43 PM
Thanks for the help guys. Also, I have a old saitek joystick somewhere around here I just can't find it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Tully__
11-08-2005, 06:45 PM
Any USB controller with axis inputs is better than keyboard/mouse. If your PS2 controller works on your PC and has axis inputs, use it until you get a real joystick.

If you're on a budget, Saitek or Thrustmaster. Otherwise, Saitek or CH Products.

It only seems like forever. In real life it was hours to reach target area.

Are you using the map ("m" key by default)? Have you worked out that you can zoom in and out on the map by right clicking on it? Also check the difficutly settings and make sure that the "No Map Icons" difficutly setting is switched off (no light). With this setting off you'll be able to see your own location on the map (white plane icon) and the course you're supposed to be following.

As for briefings, the quality varies. Some are quite specific, some are very general. Regardless, it pays to take notes in the briefing, particularly any references to location.

Hoatee
11-09-2005, 07:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
You can accelerate (2X, 4X, 8X) and decelerate (1/2X, 1/4X) time in the game. Look for this in the Controls section.

A joystick is a must. You might be able to use a PS2 controller, but I don't have one so I can't comment on it. My joystick is a MS FFB2, which is no longer available. Search the forums for recommendations.

Zeus-cat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Another way to speed your journey is to press 't' (default setting, I think - check the controls section right at the bottom) on your keyboard. The programme will then take you to your next waypoint (screen will go black while it does that - so don't panic). If there are any enemy aircraft near you, then pressing 't' will not take you to the next waypoint (you'll see a warning about nearby enemies).

han freak solo
11-09-2005, 07:53 AM
I recommend a good joystick, perhaps with a twist rudder to keep your costs down until you become fully addicted. Then you will need pedals, IMO.

I tried a game pad long ago. I found it too difficult for fine adjustments of your flight path, like when you are shooting or landing. I also noticed that I didn't get full control deflection with a game pad.

Have fun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Peacemaker_PL
11-09-2005, 08:26 AM
I'm recommending CH Products gear - http://www.ch-hangar.com (non-oficial site, very helpfull)

Welcome on this crazy board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Peacemaker.

Bearcat99
11-10-2005, 07:11 AM
You can get a decent reconditioned joystick here (http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html) for $20-$70. I recommend going the $24-$70 route.. but get a joystick. You will be limited in what you can do without one. Also hit the Sturmovik Essentials link in my sig and read the top link of Why fly merged.

Hannibal_817
11-13-2005, 01:26 PM
I use game pad right now. One with two analouge sticks. I use one for rudder and the other for other directions. Works fine for me but no throttle. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif have to use R2 and L2 instead. I'm planning on getting a joystick in the near future though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
Good Luck with flying imelite!

Dew-Claw
11-13-2005, 03:11 PM
You can use the game pad but getting a joystick should remain a priority.
Just don't retire the game pad when you get a joystick.
Use it for HOTAS controls.
its a cheap alternative to more expensive equipment.

Mine is strapped to the arm of my chair, right under my fingers and works like a dream.

Aeronautico
11-14-2005, 06:55 AM
Just get a joystick: ANY JOYSTICK is better than the keyboard alone or a gamepad. Follow the previous advices if you can.

In the while you get hold of it, if you really want to fly with anything else I suggest you to lower the realism settings to EASY, so that it won't be an over-frustrating experience at least.

Did I say, go get a joystick, any joystick ASAP?

Opie-won
11-15-2005, 12:56 AM
I use a TM Attack Throttle and Pedals; It's pretty old design-wise and drivers only go to Windows 98 but I like it and I do pretty well on it. If you enjoy Flight Sims then I would try and get the full set up of stick throttle and pedals.

money_money
11-15-2005, 01:56 AM
I now have a joystick, but flew for a long time with a key board, I have not used keyboard since 4.01 but the only thing I couldnt do easily was look around.
In the meantime B4 U get a joystick, here is what I had

arrow keys elevator, ailerons
S X throttle
Z C rudder
SPACE all guns

then put all the keys you use a lot around SZXC
Its kind of like FPS with W,A,S,D. Keys like SHIFT CTRL are in easy reach.
You can add the line "MissionDistance=65" or something like 65 to the conf.ini to make the flying times to the target shorter if you want

&lt;3 $

polak5
11-15-2005, 02:03 AM
joystick is a must, otherwise would be like driving a car with no steering wheel... i tried it once, was no fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif