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249th_Harrier
10-24-2005, 05:35 AM
Here is a well researched story about three days of combat in Italy '44. Note two things: 1)Actual losses run at about 50% of official credited kills. Even when aircraft were shot down right around their own airbase, 5 kills were credited by the LW when there were only two wrecks! This is why I would take every aces kill count with a heavey dose of suspicion. This goes for all airforces.
2)The tactical situation was more important than aircraft performance, unless you want to argue that Kittyhawk is more uber than FW-190 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://www.ghostbombers.com/Kittyhawks/kitty01.html

249th_Harrier
10-24-2005, 05:35 AM
Here is a well researched story about three days of combat in Italy '44. Note two things: 1)Actual losses run at about 50% of official credited kills. Even when aircraft were shot down right around their own airbase, 5 kills were credited by the LW when there were only two wrecks! This is why I would take every aces kill count with a heavey dose of suspicion. This goes for all airforces.
2)The tactical situation was more important than aircraft performance, unless you want to argue that Kittyhawk is more uber than FW-190 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://www.ghostbombers.com/Kittyhawks/kitty01.html

WOLFMondo
10-24-2005, 05:43 AM
The claims vs confirmed is always a funny topic.

ploughman
10-24-2005, 05:49 AM
Interesting. Thanks for the link, as you say, doesn't matter how good your plane is relatively if you're caught trying to get off the runway.

Shame about the horse.

DmdSeeker
10-24-2005, 05:19 PM
That's a very interesting site!

Did you notice the article on converting 109Gs to 109 Ks?

249th_Harrier
10-24-2005, 06:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
Interesting. Thanks for the link, as you say, doesn't matter how good your plane is relatively if you're caught trying to get off the runway.

Shame about the horse. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That bit about the horse really stood out. It must have been the mascot.

This guy Nick Beale is on 12oclock high a lot, his books are pretty well reviewed, I will have to check them out sometime.

blakduk
10-24-2005, 07:00 PM
Given the mayhem that surrounded the attack i'm surprised at how accurate the allied log is.

As for the horse, dont assume it was just a mascot. In 1944 the fuel situation for the Germans was critical and it may have been used for all sorts of labour.

The article gives a good insight into the sort of miscommunication that can spell disaster. The fact that the fuel trucks were not available to refuel the 190's led to a critical delay in getting them back in the air. That's the sort of realism that sims can never accurately demonstrate- the myriad little mix ups that can cause disaster.