View Full Version : What about that Hellcat?

11-29-2004, 06:00 PM
I didn't know there were so many "old" Hellcat Aviators still alive!
The Japanese feared the Hellcat more than the Corsair, so said Saburo Sakai. They felt it was more of a problem for their planes and pilots because of its manouverability and speed. The Hellcat in the game flys well, but not as well as the Real thing. The Hellcat was a very "Forgiving" airplane , it had few bad characteristics: it had excellent low speed flight characteristics, very good Lift to weight ratio. Before the stall, there was a very long and noticable "shutter" that warned the Aviator to add more power or ease up on the G's. Spin recovery was excellent, even inverted.
Up until the 1944 Zero Models got into the war (by then US fighters outnumbered Japanese fighters 2 to 1, approximately),the Hellcat was superior to all Japanese aircraft it encountered. It was a top carrier airplane because it was built by the Grumman "Iron Works". That was as important to Naval Aviators as any performance feature that airplanes could have. It survived gunfire, air or ground),excessive G's, and some unbelivable carrier landings!
What ever statistics you can find, or you like, here are a few from the Naval Aviation Museum at Pensacola Florida that are really impressive:
There were 12,275 Hellcats produced. They destroyed 13 German Aircraft and 5,156 Japanese planes. Approximately 270 Hellcats were lost in aerial combat for a phenomenal kill ratio of 19 to 1!

11-29-2004, 06:13 PM
And your point would be what? Do you want the FM changed? Do you have specifc flight model data you can provide? All you've shown is different opinions about the F6F, with no FM data.

No trying to be an a@@ here, I'm just telling you what the developers are interested in to really fix a "problem" with the game.

Just be warned: You can provide all the hard factual data in the world, and some things will remain the way they are. *cough*fw190cockpit*cough*

But good luck with your quest! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

11-29-2004, 09:02 PM
--Go Hellcat--. I was very surprised to find out how Hellcats actually flew after all I had read about them. One would think Hellcat pilots had a chance during the war against Japanese planes, thank God for almost unlimited numbers, I guess.

And pilots mention having used their landing gear as airbrakes (like the corsair pilots, though corsair pilots had a seperate dive brake handle). The pilot's manual says to not lower the gear at speeds higher than, I believe, 165 knts because it won't lock (thats all, it won't lock, not break and fall off). If those pilots only knew . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

11-29-2004, 10:26 PM
Crash, Wayno was an actual hellcat pilot. He was just posting saying he didnt realize how many other hellcat pilots flew this sim and he's surprised. Take his word on the hellcat seriously as he's one to know for sure

Howie A
11-29-2004, 11:27 PM
I've enjoyed the way the Hellcat flies but I'm glad you posted Wayno, I haven't read any other experienced accounts for it. Its easy not to have much confidence in others' knowledge, only how sim a/c feel. Your's is refreshing.

11-30-2004, 01:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayno_609IAP:
They destroyed 13 German Aircraft and 5,156 Japanese planes. Approximately 270 Hellcats were lost in aerial combat for a phenomenal kill ratio of 19 to 1! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are those kill a conformed one?

11-30-2004, 01:41 AM

Thanks for that, It is always good to get feedback from people who know how the planes in this sim fly for real and what they think of the equivalent virtual model, do you know anything abou tthe other planes?

11-30-2004, 01:53 AM
One look inside that cockpit...and i never saw it again. Strange how different level of quality is among cockpits. Val, Zero and Hellcat look like they are from old il2 while ki61, ki84, i185, Gladiator and Corsair posses level of quality that should be standard. I cannot stand bad craftmanship. Not after so many years. The new standards are set. The only thing to do is to follow or make better, not worse.

11-30-2004, 01:54 AM
"There were 12,275 Hellcats produced. They destroyed 13 German Aircrafts "

Can you explain this plz thx.

11-30-2004, 08:24 AM

I assume it is because not many were deployed to Europe, or that they were deployed very late in the ETO

11-30-2004, 04:34 PM
Reason for so few German a/c being downed by the Hellcat is simple: Generals Marshall and Arnold threw massive hissy fits at the merest hint of USMC or Navy participation in 'their' theater. Marshall was reported to have threatened to resign if Marines (suggested because of their greater experience in amphibious ops) were used in the invasion of Europe. Arnold, by reputation a loyal Army man, would no doubt have been breathing into a paper bag if FDR had asked a few pointed questions about the efficacy of using say, Corsairs or Hellcats for long ranged bomber escort over Europe in view of their demonstrated effectiveness at the lower levels where the P-47 had its problems with the FW-190.

Comparisons of unit effectiveness in the theaters where the Navy/Marine squadrons fought the same opponents as USAAF fighter squadrons show a lopsided advantage for the guys flying the blue planes.

At any rate, US Navy and Marine air units saw very limited action in the ETO and Med, and the bulk of Hellcat kills against the Luftwaffe were scored by the Fleet Air Arm of the Royal Navy.



11-30-2004, 06:11 PM
You gotta love the Hellcat. They didn't call it the Ace Maker for nothing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thanks for the input Wayno.

11-30-2004, 06:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
the bulk of Hellcat kills against the Luftwaffe were scored by the Fleet Air Arm of the Royal Navy.


horseback <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was gonna say this. Corsairs and Hellcats were deployed on RN carriers mainly in the North Sea where they participated in bombing the Tirpitz from 1944 onwards. So this is where those 12 aircraft downed by Hellcats probably comes from.