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Taylortony
05-10-2005, 10:45 AM
Wandering round at work I took these for you to show you what a paintshop looks like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It will take up to A321 size aircraft, Oh and before you ask, yes they sand these down by hand using airdriven rotary sanders after stripping the top coat off due to the type of primer used not being strippable..... the parts still coloured are just flatted as they are composites.... Well its something you might not of seen before and I thought you might like to get a glimpse of something unusual, the Staging which is like a mobile scaffolding has been pushed out of the Hanger to allow the Aircraft to be moved.....



http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Fokker_3.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Fokker_4.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Fokker_5.jpg

Taylortony
05-10-2005, 10:45 AM
Wandering round at work I took these for you to show you what a paintshop looks like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It will take up to A321 size aircraft, Oh and before you ask, yes they sand these down by hand using airdriven rotary sanders after stripping the top coat off due to the type of primer used not being strippable..... the parts still coloured are just flatted as they are composites.... Well its something you might not of seen before and I thought you might like to get a glimpse of something unusual, the Staging which is like a mobile scaffolding has been pushed out of the Hanger to allow the Aircraft to be moved.....



http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Fokker_3.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Fokker_4.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Fokker_5.jpg

PBNA-Boosher
05-10-2005, 10:48 AM
w00t! That's my next project!

ploughman
05-10-2005, 10:50 AM
Can we submitt what skin we'd like it painting in?

GR142_Astro
05-10-2005, 11:27 AM
Yowza.

How many gallons to cover it back up?

Thanks for posting, now I don't feel nearly as bad about the 240z I am sanding on right now.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


http://www.belgiumclassicrally.com/fichesphotos/2004/horne04img/240z.jpg

BSS_CUDA
05-10-2005, 11:37 AM
LOL I'm a Auto painter by trade ( well former manage the shop now ) thats one BIG A$$ paint booth

T_O_A_D
05-10-2005, 11:49 AM
Ouch my shoulder hurts just looking at it.

Now where is Mr. Miagi?

Taylortony
05-10-2005, 11:50 AM
Astro I will get some quantities for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The last one they had probs with the paint (manufactures fault) and they actually painted it and flatted it down 4 times in total, one cool finish when done but a bit heavier than expected..

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/patch_copy.jpg

B16Enk
05-10-2005, 12:27 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Nice one T http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sig is pretty cool too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

GR142_Astro
05-11-2005, 12:44 AM
Yup, you would think bare-metal liners would justify fuel savings, but perhaps up-keep is too much. Paint weighs quite a bit on that scale.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif @ 4.0 sig!

http://www.trianglezclub.com/images/240Z-350Z.jpg

miss_behavin
05-11-2005, 04:33 AM
****,, i hope they didnt want to do that just in one weekend. lol...

Ive heard the painting can be pricey Boeing? did a complimentary paint job on a Connie that was being restored by some Aussies and they said it usually cost around $600.000 US if i heard it right.

MrBlueSky1960
05-11-2005, 05:05 AM
Taylortony, hmmm... That€s what I do every day I'm afraid to say!

25 years of sanding down metal, fibreglass, filler and paint!

I know only to well what its like to start something that size. I used to work for Unigate about 15 years ago and was responsible for the up-keep of their Wessex vehicles, including the trailers. (40 footers)
Starting one of those on your own was daunting enough, if I had to do an AC of that size now it would make me suicidal...Lol!

Still, how many blokes does it take to prep that, and what€s the turn-around for painting something that size without any lettering or transfers?
I remember going to a Yeovilton open day some years ago and seeing a Harrier in their paintshop. Being a nosy sort I went in. I was amazed when I asked how long it would take them to finish her, (Being that there were 8 blokes working on her at the time) 10 days€¦. If I took that amount of time to do something of that size I would be out of business€¦Lol!

Still, nice to see someone else in dust as well as me€¦

bolillo_loco
05-11-2005, 11:33 AM
it looks like somebody parked the plane over night during a sand storm at 29 Palms California

Pirschjaeger
05-11-2005, 11:38 AM
I was recently working for a German machine manufacturer as a technician. Just 2 years ago the bought a French company that specializes in paint removal of aircraft such as the one in the pics.

The paint on these planes are three layers thick. The machinery from the French company uses a special blasting technology that removes one layer at a time, and if I remember correctly, dust free. Here's a little more info;

http://www.roesler-aerospace.com/www_roesler_aerospace/home_2_2_0_f.htm

The technology is still a little new but some companies, which I cannot mention, have already started using this. But there are some companies still doing it the old fashioned way.

Fritz Franzen

Taylortony
05-11-2005, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I was recently working for a German machine manufacturer as a technician. Just 2 years ago the bought a French company that specializes in paint removal of aircraft such as the one in the pics.

The paint on these planes are three layers thick. The machinery from the French company uses a special blasting technology that removes one layer at a time, and if I remember correctly, dust free. Here's a little more info;

http://www.roesler-aerospace.com/www_roesler_aerospace/home_2_2_0_f.htm

The technology is still a little new but some companies, which I cannot mention, have already started using this. But there are some companies still doing it the old fashioned way.

Fritz Franzen </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They are trialing a system in the states that uses a laser and burns paint off at a metre a pop, bit like the laser scalpel but on a grand scale

Pirschjaeger
05-11-2005, 01:02 PM
If I remember correctly the media they used was simply plastic beads with different hardnesses, compensating for the diffent hardness of each layer of paint.

While I was at Rosler I told them that the future technology will make use of sound. I just got blank stares. Then to support my claim I told them that scientists had experimented with washing/cleaning cars in the late '80's using sound. More blank stares. Then I mentioned that certain sound frequencies can create high amounts of energy, something very important to surface finishing and cleaning. More blank stares. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I now understand why they buy other companies instead of developing there own technology. These people were not typical Germans. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Lasers can do the job but they are not so energy efficient. They require too much energy.

The best and most efficient media I've seen in the blasting and surface finishing industry is dry-ice pellets. They are rather costly but when they are propelled with air pressure and impact the surface of the product they instantly expand 400 times before evaporating, leaving no media residue or mess to clean up. This is create water jackets and hard to reach channels since the expansion creates extra energy, forcing the media to travel deeper into the channels.

Sorry, kinda got carried away. It's an interesting subject. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

Taylortony
05-11-2005, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:

I remember going to a Yeovilton open day some years ago and seeing a Harrier in their paintshop. Being a nosy sort I went in. I was amazed when I asked how long it would take them to finish her, (Being that there were 8 blokes working on her at the time) 10 days€¦. If I took that amount of time to do something of that size I would be out of business€¦Lol!

Still, nice to see someone else in dust as well as me€¦ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They have them in for about 2 weeks with about 10 of them on average, takes em about a week to strip, flat and wash it down, then they put it in primer, often the primer reqs the white to go on in under 8 hours from application, then lining it out and adding the markings (often Decals) are added........ slowest bit is adding all the required markings, like fire ext etc

Cost for a 737 i seem to remember was about 40,000 a go, just to do the wings were about 10,000 to 20,000