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AKA_TAGERT
01-31-2007, 08:24 PM
Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-16ZVyHVZU&mode=related&search=)

Nice to see two of them side by side again!

AKA_TAGERT
01-31-2007, 08:24 PM
Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-16ZVyHVZU&mode=related&search=)

Nice to see two of them side by side again!

MrMojok
01-31-2007, 08:39 PM
I bought this dvd, and I can say it's the cat's pajamas.

AKA_TAGERT
01-31-2007, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMojok:
I bought this dvd, and I can say it's the cat's pajamas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Looks like some nice footage! Hard to find a flying 109 these days let alone two at the same field! Wish I could have been there to see that!

HayateAce
01-31-2007, 09:03 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Completely awesome. Too bad about black 6.

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Scharnhorst1943
01-31-2007, 09:22 PM
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DKoor
01-31-2007, 09:22 PM
Those two in the beginning could be G10 and G2/4.
I saw this vid on youtube some time ago, but still it's a nice thing to see any kind of WW2 aircraft flying today, let alone axis aircraft which are even more rare kind than allied ones.
Perhaps the only real exception from this "rule" could be VVS aircraft as I don't believe that there is a single Lavochkin (5/7) still flyable today. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

And hey... I always liked the 109 sound. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

BillyTheKid_22
01-31-2007, 09:26 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Great video!!!!

Xiolablu3
02-01-2007, 12:00 AM
Thanks!

One of the best 109 pics I have seen :-

http://www.error-net.com/webhost/sts/ftp/privtommy/109g6.jpg

From here :-

http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/showthread.php?t=10785

JG52Karaya-X
02-01-2007, 01:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
Those two in the beginning could be G10 and G2/4. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, one of them is a G2 and the other a G10 (high tail, longer tailwheel, rounded cowling from the DB605D engine, Erla Hood)

Would also like to know how they run the G10, do they make use of the full 1850PS, and if so with just higher octane fuel or a true-to-the-past low octane + MW50. Or do they have an ordinary DB605A only and just formed the cowling like on the late Gustavs (G10, G14AS)?

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Il2pelaaja
02-01-2007, 02:11 AM
Great video!

At 2:15 on the video you can notice how easily the pilot can see eveywhere!!

When could we have the same visibility in game, please.

CUJO_1970
02-01-2007, 02:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
[QUOTE]Would also like to know how they run the G10, do they make use of the full 1850PS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I can assure you, they don't use anything like full power for either of those DB engines on a regular basis.

You can see a little exhaust smoke on that zoom climb at the end - I would be interested in how far they opened that engine up. One thing the 109 series always had was plenty of excess power - absolutely love the sound of that supercharger whistling.

JG53Frankyboy
02-01-2007, 02:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
[QUOTE]Would also like to know how they run the G10, do they make use of the full 1850PS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I can assure you, they don't use anything like full power for either of those DB engines on a regular basis.

You can see a little exhaust smoke on that zoom climb at the end - I would be interested in how far they opened that engine up. One thing the 109 series always had was plenty of excess power - absolutely love the sound of that supercharger whistling. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and most of these "warbidrs" have less weight today - no armour and weapons/amunition (mostly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

mynameisroland
02-01-2007, 03:05 AM
Nice vid, you realise Hayate that you've just complimented your own worst nightmare - a Bf 109 G2 and a Mk 108 armed G10 !

I saw Black 6 at Duxford a year before she crashed. She did a joint display with a P40 and a B25. The Bf 109 kept simulating a bounce and then zooming back up in to the low clouds, it was cool! My favourite bits of the video are the engine noise and smoke at high power bands wish we had those in game.

Check this vid, its enough to have any Luftwhiner pi**sing their pants!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtW2q6xlcRo&mode=related&search=

Kurfurst__
02-01-2007, 04:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
Would also like to know how they run the G10, do they make use of the full 1850PS, and if so with just higher octane fuel or a true-to-the-past low octane + MW50. Or do they have an ordinary DB605A only and just formed the cowling like on the late Gustavs (G10, G14AS)?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I talked to the mechanic responsible for these engines, generally they limit the engines to the 30-min rating as absolute rating to save engine life. Think of the rates they charge you engine maintaince of your car, imagine that rate for a 35-liter engine that absolutely must be overhauled after about 150 hours of operation, generally less than that.. so they operate at around 1300 HP at best, and I presume generally they stay at continous power, which is about 1000-1100 HP.

OTOH, these plane are much lighter than the originals as they don't carry MW-50, armor, guns, ammunition, old school radios and navigating systems - several hundred kilos worth of stuff.

p1ngu666
02-01-2007, 06:51 AM
yeah they wont push them espcialy, i guess there still capable of high power, but it would be just for emergancy use..

p-11.cAce
02-01-2007, 06:53 AM
Beautiful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

MEGILE
02-01-2007, 07:14 AM
sweeet

HayateAce
02-01-2007, 07:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
Nice vid, you realise Hayate that you've just complimented your own worst nightmare - a Bf 109 G2 and a Mk 108 armed G10 !

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Whatcha talkin' about M8? I would spend hours looking at those birds if I ever got in the same ZIP code. There aren't too many historical artifacts more rare than a flyable 109.

trumper
02-01-2007, 07:25 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifLiving just up the road i was very fortunate to see them flying quite a bit.
Black 6 looks very forlorn [but safe i suppose ] in Hendon now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
They sound lovely,much harder than the tuneful Merlin,and they did smoke well when coming in fast.
I do miss seeing them,the newer Buchon [now based at Duxford http://www.realaero.com/index.htm is nice but not a 109,even though i believe the other 109 was a Buchon but had a D-B fitted afterwards.

Abbuzze
02-01-2007, 09:08 AM
This dvd shows 66% of all airworthy 109 at the beginning... no footage.

This planes are the G10 and G6 of the Messerschmitt foundation. The remaining 33% are the E4.

I had the luck to see the Red7 in air before the crash. Wonderfull... it´s a shame.

faustnik
02-01-2007, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
There aren't too many historical artifacts more rare than a flyable 109. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Flyable Fw190?

Bremspropeller
02-01-2007, 10:20 AM
Flyable Ta183 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

GBrutus
02-01-2007, 10:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
There aren't too many historical artifacts more rare than a flyable 109. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Flyable Fw190? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I may be wrong but isn't there a restored Dora that is in flyable condition? I think it's air worthy but the owners are reluctant to risk destroying such a rare aircraft.

Richardsen
02-01-2007, 10:36 AM
It's a good vid! I bought it a few weeks ago.

AKA_TAGERT
02-01-2007, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Flyable Ta183 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>ROTFL

Ugly_Kid
02-01-2007, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Abbuzze:
This dvd shows 66% of all airworthy 109 at the beginning... no footage.

This planes are the G10 and G6 of the Messerschmitt foundation. The remaining 33% are the E4.

I had the luck to see the Red7 in air before the crash. Wonderfull... it´s a shame. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No these two are not from Messerschmitt Stiftung - not even from Germany - note the Swastikas on the tail - so I don't know where these ones are.

Here Mtt Stiftung G-10 from Family Day last summer:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/hausberg/sim_stuff/EADS_G-10.JPG

And here Mtt Stiftung G-6:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/hausberg/sim_stuff/EADS_G6.JPG
So the ones on the film are not the same...
I believe there is G-2 also but it is not flight worthy. I saw it some years ago. The Red 7 should fly quite soon, I've heard, the accident they had did not render it useless and I saw in some forum a promising progress report.

BillyTheKid_22
02-01-2007, 10:46 AM
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Museums/Hendon/GermanWw2/HendonBf109FromGroundLevel.jpg


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Kurfurst__
02-01-2007, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
No these two are not from Messerschmitt Stiftung - not even from Germany - note the Swastikas on the tail - so I don't know where these ones are. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, they are the same, just repainted for some filming. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I have the DVD. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Red 7 should fly quite soon, I've heard, the accident they had did not render it useless and I saw in some forum a promising progress report. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Grand news ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Ugly_Kid
02-01-2007, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
No, they are the same, just repainted for some filming. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I have the DVD. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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I don't think so - the Stiftung G-10 to my knowledge hasn't been flightworthy for a very long time and I am not even sure whether they have been that simultaneously. Also, I am not aware of them being outside of Germany and with them Swastikas for sure not in Germany. BTW, isn't the other one additionally G-2? Stiftung has G-6 and G-10. Of course, I can't swear with my hand on a bible, though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW this is the mysterious G-2 that I saw some years ago:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/hausberg/sim_stuff/G2.JPG

BillyTheKid_22
02-01-2007, 11:16 AM
http://www.airventure.de/laatzen02/me1091.jpg



www.airventure.de/laatzeno2_2.htm (http://www.airventure.de/laatzeno2_2.htm) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Bf 109 G-2

Kurfurst__
02-01-2007, 11:18 AM
It's the G-10 for sure, look at the paintscheme, and even more telling sign, the long tailwheel! I am not aware of any other existing, airworthy G-10..

The other 109G is a G-2, Black Six, they're having an interview with the operators and Dave Southwood. Later in the vid you can see it in that original desert paint scheme. The aircraft received a European paint scheme for some filming event.

Both aircraft were in Duxford IIRC, and the footage isn't recent - 1999 or something like that as I recall, but I don't have the DVD handy.

It's pretty cool though, narrative and Music is cut to the minimum so you can enjoy the sight and sound. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Abbuzze
02-01-2007, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
No, they are the same, just repainted for some filming. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I have the DVD. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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I don't think so - the Stiftung G-10 to my knowledge hasn't been flightworthy for a very long time and I am not even sure whether they have been that simultaneously. Also, I am not aware of them being outside of Germany and with them Swastikas for sure not in Germany. BTW, isn't the other one additionally G-2? Stiftung has G-6 and G-10. Of course, I can't swear with my hand on a bible, though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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The G10 is airworthy again since some time, the CO of our squad told me this, he lives close to Manching. But you right after the awfull accicent (gear broke and the firecar rolled over the wing at the ground) it took a long time.

Krizz1972
02-01-2007, 12:09 PM
Bf-109 G-6 at ILA 2006

http://www.imgnow.de/uploads/MG3081MesserschmittMe109G6dfbedce3png.png



http://www.imgnow.de/uploads/IMG3330MesserschmittMe109G6e09de127png.png

Ugly_Kid
02-01-2007, 12:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
It's the G-10 for sure, look at the paintscheme, and even more telling sign, the long tailwheel! I am not aware of any other existing, airworthy G-10.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it's G-10 all right, what I meant was the other one - the G-2 - because Abbuzze wrote something like both of them being from Stiftung, whereas the other flightworthy 109 from Stiftung is G-6 not 2.

I am not sure where Stiftung got the G-10 from actually (but it came first years after FM-BB), whether it was obtained from UK, I am more familiar with the history of FM-BB.

BillyTheKid_22
02-01-2007, 12:25 PM
http://www.combat.ch/modules/mydownloads/images/shots/Bf109G-10.jpg



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Ugly_Kid
02-01-2007, 12:43 PM
Interesting this one might have something like 151591 on rudder (that is what is on Mtt Stiftung's one). This is the same as on video so I'd bet it was filmed when belonging to the previous owner

http://www.robert-stetter.de/Manching2006/pics/DSC_6103_Me-109.jpg


Here's the story:

http://www.adlertag.de/heute/fliegend.htm

In short it also originates from Buchon. Engine should be brand new DB601D-1. The guy claims to have smuggled a G-10 fuselage from CSSR and used that as basis only some parts are from Buchon. The serial's coming from a "donator", maybe the one from CSSR. It flew first time 1995 in Mannheim as D-FEHD. Afterward it went to Duxford and was shown in Airshows (the film is probably from this time). After that it went back to Germany and was registered as D-FDME. 1998 it starred in film "Last Flight" about de Saint Exupry (the bad guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif?). After the filming it went to Manching to Mtt Stiftung, 24.6.1998 they smashed it in rolling trials. It flew again 18.11.2000

2003 they had a damaged piston and now 2006 it was flying again...

BTW the FM-BB had also quite a nasty take-off accident in 80s...

JG4_Helofly
02-01-2007, 12:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
http://www.airventure.de/laatzen02/me1091.jpg



www.airventure.de/laatzeno2_2.htm (http://www.airventure.de/laatzeno2_2.htm) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Bf 109 G-2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Adolf Galland was in that 109 G2 when he went to the airmuseum in Hannover Germany. I was sitting in this same plane last year and in the fw 190a8 which stands next to the 109 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BillyTheKid_22
02-01-2007, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
http://www.airventure.de/laatzen02/me1091.jpg



www.airventure.de/laatzeno2_2.htm (http://www.airventure.de/laatzeno2_2.htm) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Bf 109 G-2 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Adolf Galland was in that 109 G2 when he went to the airmuseum in Hannover Germany. I was sitting in this same plane last year and in the fw 190a8 which stands next to the 109 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://www.spitfireart.com/images/ADOLF%20GALLAND.jpg


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