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BRASSTURTLE
08-21-2006, 07:08 AM
Even if you don't recognize the name, you sure know his most famous work. James Rosenthal was the photographer who took the picture of the Marines raising Old Glory over Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima. He died of natural causes.
He was 94.

BRASSTURTLE
08-21-2006, 07:08 AM
Even if you don't recognize the name, you sure know his most famous work. James Rosenthal was the photographer who took the picture of the Marines raising Old Glory over Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima. He died of natural causes.
He was 94.

ytareh
08-21-2006, 08:18 AM
Lots of people looking forward to the Flags of Our Fathers film due soon about that event.

SkyChimp
08-21-2006, 07:14 PM
I'm looking forward to it, too. The book was incredible.

Have you seen the trailer? I think this is the trailer. Looks like it will give a fair shake to the Japanese side, too.

http://wwws.warnerbros.co.jp/iwojima-movies/trailer/large.html

JV44Rall
08-21-2006, 07:53 PM
Maybe the single most memorable photograph of WWII. http://www.iwojima.com/raising/lflage.gif

There's a good article in the Washington Post. Rosenthal was just an average guy who did something extraordinary. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...AR2006082100039.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/21/AR2006082100039.html)

Daiichidoku
08-21-2006, 08:06 PM
figures, he captured the image of the second flag to go up, hours later

another photog caught the original, first flag to go up, but rosenthal got all the glory

mind you, the second pic was easily the more "epic", in composition

Zeus-cat
08-21-2006, 09:03 PM
They had the story of his death on the national news tonight. In an odd little tidbit, Mr Rosenthal didn't think that shot was the one people would remember. He had taken a shot with about 20 guys sitting/standing in front of a flag that he thought would be the most remembered shot he took on Iwo Jima.

S! to Mr. Rosenthal and to all of the war photographers.

DoorGunner1788
08-21-2006, 09:42 PM
Well, the first picture was a staged one. The photographer (forget his name) had the men stand in the positions that he wanted, to make a more 'dramatic' scene. The second, the most famous of course, is the most reproduced photograph in all of history. I am serious. No other photo has been printed or reproduced more than the Iwo Jima Flagraising. I suggest that you read the book before you see the movie. It will be one of the greatest books that you will ever read, I guarantee it. Sad to see Rosenthal passed away. Just remember the phrase that made this book and the USMC, "Uncommon Valor Was A Common Virtue."
God Bless.

Enforcer572005
08-22-2006, 07:40 AM
Rosenthal also pointed out (and was ignored) that this photo was NOT staged or posed. The myth that it was got its start when he heard there was such a reaction to the photo, but he didn't know which photo it was; he assumed it was the one where he posed marines in front of the flag brandishing thier weapons, and he made a remark about posing them that way.

Later he discovered which one it was, and of course by then.......

He and the guy doing the movie were standing right next to each other and very nearly missed the scene. The fact that it is very real and done under combat conditions makes it all the more incredible. He was in the right place at the right time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

And I'm referring to this particular photo, not the original flag going up, which I believe the poster above is correct about.

DoorGunner1788
08-22-2006, 05:41 PM
Hit the nail on the head Enforcer572005. I remember reading that in "Flags Of our Fathers." The only thing that I remember about the first photo is that there is a Marine in the foreground, kneeling, with an M1 Carbine, looking off into the distance and the flag is raised in the background. OT - The two movies about this, "Flags Of Our Fathers" and "Letters From Iwo Jima" come out in October and December of this year. 'Flags' is from the American viewpoint, while 'Letters' is from the Japanese viewpoint.

Zeus-cat
08-22-2006, 06:44 PM
The news story I saw said that three of the men in this photo were later killed on Iwo Jima.

woofiedog
08-22-2006, 07:10 PM
May God Bless! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

hotspace
08-23-2006, 06:16 AM
R.I.P http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

major_setback
08-23-2006, 08:32 AM
I heard that the pictre was taken in such a rush that he didn't even get time to compose it in the view finder. He shot from the hip, as it were. I think the composition is fantastic, but it could never have been staged: Just one person in the wrong place (or if it had been taken a split second later) and it would have beeen a totally different shot.

I heard a TV interview with the son of one of the men pictured (I believe) and he pointed out that none of the faces are visible. I think this helps make the picture work - they could have been any of the soldiers who fought in that battle; any soldiers who fought in that war really. It gives it that monumental appeal.

Enforcer572005
08-23-2006, 08:58 AM
Yeah, 3 of them were KIA in the next few days. In the fifties, Tony Curtiss played native American Ira Hayes (2cd fr left i think) who survived, but suffered terribly from the effects of losing his friends. It's a pretty good movie, but terribly sad, since it showed the alcohol problem he had and that this caused him to freeze to death in the hills near his home one night.

The cost these guys pay for fighting for us in combat (then and now) is far more extensive than most realize.

2 marines and the navy corpsman survived the battle, and one of those marines was wounded. Iwo was an example of a battle of attrition-it was beyond brutal. The Marines and Navy sure earned their pay during those weeks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Chuck_Older
08-23-2006, 10:25 AM
From what I've read about Iwo, there was no safe place on the island, and no time-outs got called

Even if every photo taken during the battle was "staged", they all would have been taken in combat

The anonymity of the Marines in the photo is part of the magic. They are individuals but part of the same organism. From the Marines at left, whose hands cannot reach the pole, whether they strive to support it should it fall or if they were caught in that pose because the flag had been raised out of their grasp, to the rightmost Marine whose entire body's strength looks like it's being used and seems enough to plant the flag without assistance, the image of these Marines who are all vital living individuals sacrificing their recognition in the photo to get the job done is a perfect parallel to all their comrades in arms who died unknown and unsung. It's as if the photo represents every Marine, and that's why the image is so forceful. Truly an icon

Sergio_101
08-24-2006, 05:57 PM
Sadly no one lives forever, even great men (women). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Ok, Marines, comraderie and history.
Out of a thousand flag raisings and
a hundred million photo's of the war,
what made that photo so great?

Start with a great historical moment.
Great contrast.
High energy moment.
Flow of photo from left to right.
Well centered subject with right hand balance.
Great foreground and background makes for fantastic depth of field.

I can never forget a video I saw many years
ago of Leni Reifenstal (forgive the spellink)
berating another photographer (student?)
"Left to right, no matter retreating or advancing
the image must flow from LEFT TO RIGHT!"

Despite her checkered past, Leni was the best.
So was James Rosenthal, none better and by all accounts
a great guy to know.

Sergio

flockzap
08-24-2006, 06:21 PM
Nice site

http://www.iwojima.com/raising/raisingb.htm

Ernst_Rohr
08-24-2006, 06:26 PM
Actually, the "famous" photo is the 2nd, and it was real. Combat was still ongoing, but the original flag raising was done with a smaller flag and a length of piple early in the morning on Feb 23, 1945. Rosenthal's picture was taken that afternoon, after it was decided that the original flag and flagpole were too small to be seen from below.

The original marines that got to the top of that mountain were led by a young Lt from Texas. His name is Keith Wells, and I have met and intervied him, since he lives in the same town I do.

Lt. Wells led his men up Suribachi, was was wounded twice on the way up, and refused to be evacuated. By the time they made it to the top, Lt. Wells had to be evacuated out by stretcher, having been wounded again. All but 4 men in the platoon were wounded in action at Iwo Jima, several of them two or more times. Of the 45 marines in his platoon, 16 were killed and the remainder injured. It took three days of fighting and 60% casualties for the unit to make it to the top of Suribachi.

In the process, they earned;
1 Medal of Honor
3 Navy Crosses
1 Silver Star
and a purple heart for every man involved in the actual assault.

Lt. Wells and his platoon became the single most decorated platoon for a single action in the history of the United States.

The original pictures;
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/photos/2006-07-04/0705pIwo1-a.jpg

http://www.theunion.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=TU&Date=20060314&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=103140141&Ref=AR&MaxW=550&title=1

major_setback
08-25-2006, 03:52 AM
Here's a good picture showing the old flag coming down while the second one goes up:

One of the flags being carried up to the top:

http://www.seacoastmarines.com/Iwo%201st%20flag%20down%202nd%20flag%20up.jpg

Both flags:


http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:O2ptH9CkMEO1kM:http://www.seacoastmarines.com/Iwo%25201st%2520flag%2520down%25202nd%2520flag%252 0up.jpg



http://www.seacoastmarines.com/Iwo%201st%20flag%20down%202nd%20flag%20up.jpg

The picture as a painting:

http://www.medalofhonor.com/IwoJimaPainting.jpg

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10-30-2006, 04:08 PM
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10-30-2006, 04:25 PM
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10-30-2006, 04:28 PM
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10-30-2006, 04:41 PM
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BillyTheKid_22
10-30-2006, 06:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flockzap:
Nice site

http://www.iwojima.com/raising/raisingb.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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10-30-2006, 09:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Don_Karnage:
A very fitting tribute to this moment in history is the new movie FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS.

I highly recommend it. It was fantastic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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