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vpiper
01-19-2005, 02:59 AM
Hi all, whats wrong with YAKs now in game???? Jeus it's like a brick. Bf 109G turn over all types of YAKs. Yak is now the most unmodeled plane in Il-2 AEP PF. Manoeuvrability mainly of elevator and altitude is horrible. OLEG do something because this is impossible.
Real YAKs was great fighters with great manoeuvrability and not like in this game!!!!!

Hristo_
01-19-2005, 04:09 AM
Sovi-whine ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
01-19-2005, 04:26 AM
yaks have been pretty **** for a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

at alt, pah useless http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

robban75
01-19-2005, 04:38 AM
Which Yak-9?

PBNA-Boosher
01-19-2005, 04:53 AM
I have never heard a sovi-whine before, and personally, though the Yak-1b and Yak-9D are my favorite planes and the ones I fly the most in Russian servers, I have no evidence based on how it performed myself. Personally, right now I'm making do with what I have.

I have no idea whether they're historical or not. I do have a very good idea how to fight with a Yak, however. And generally it seems to be working for me.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
01-19-2005, 06:06 AM
yup Yak-1B/9T/D etc arnt all that special anymore and arnt the UFO anti grav planes like they used to be with FB which is fine if they used the in service planes FM data and performance and not the best prototype factory data.

But i do find the Yak-3/P and Yak-9U still very good planes and very hard to down at co-alt/E and the Yak3 still turns on a dime ,the yak9U is a little more tricky to fly and stall's easier and doesnt turn that good but ut climbs very good and is pretty d@mn fast down low IMO

and another thing that should be looked at is the cockpit which is horrible espacially the gunsight wich is way to dark and makes it hard to aim with

Vipez-
01-19-2005, 06:58 AM
if your talking about yak-9, its still great plane.. outturns 109s at speeds below 280 kmh.. and is kinda brick at highspeeds, but what do you expect from such light planes ? it was made to be easy to fly, and be nimble at low speeds.. and it is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

anarchy52
01-19-2005, 07:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vpiper:
Hi all, whats wrong with YAKs now in game???? Jeus it's like a brick. Bf 109G turn over all types of YAKs. Yak is now the most unmodeled plane in Il-2 AEP PF. Manoeuvrability mainly of elevator and altitude is horrible. OLEG do something because this is impossible.
Real YAKs was great fighters with great manoeuvrability and not like in this game!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Go fly a Spit you n00b

Or fly arcade...it's the same

Marc-David
01-19-2005, 08:04 AM
Had no probs shooting Me G6/AS with Yak 9Us and shooting Yak 9Us with Me G6/AS. MAybe a pilot thing? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Yours, MD

Hydra444
01-19-2005, 11:51 AM
I think the Yak-9 is just fine the way it is now...Its easy to shoot them down with rockets in my Chaika http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif LOL

flyingscampi
01-19-2005, 12:24 PM
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TheGozr
01-19-2005, 01:05 PM
I agree the yak's 9 series is &*&^%%^$@&&*%09_+.
Shame...
Lets face it the papa guy don't care anymore.

73GIAP_Milan
01-19-2005, 03:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vpiper:
Hi all, whats wrong with YAKs now in game???? Jeus it's like a brick. Bf 109G turn over all types of YAKs. Yak is now the most unmodeled plane in Il-2 AEP PF. Manoeuvrability mainly of elevator and altitude is horrible. OLEG do something because this is impossible.
Real YAKs was great fighters with great manoeuvrability and not like in this game!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif 1st Soviwhine in a looong time i see here in the 2yrs that i'm following these boards.

Dude, have you got any real evidence for it? PROVE IT ^^

@ Anarchy52: LOL but too easy, maybe he should try the La5FN or La7 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
@ Flyingscampi: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LStarosta
01-19-2005, 04:10 PM
http://www.alaskafishcharters.com/Sport-fishing2.jpg

TheGozr
01-19-2005, 04:19 PM
73GIAP_Milan
SO that mean you didn't read the board enough.

LStarosta
01-19-2005, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
73GIAP_Milan
SO that mean you didn't read the board enough. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't flatter yourself. Some people choose to ignore your Yak-9 whines.

Lav69
01-19-2005, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anarchy52:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vpiper:
Hi all, whats wrong with YAKs now in game???? Jeus it's like a brick. Bf 109G turn over all types of YAKs. Yak is now the most unmodeled plane in Il-2 AEP PF. Manoeuvrability mainly of elevator and altitude is horrible. OLEG do something because this is impossible.
Real YAKs was great fighters with great manoeuvrability and not like in this game!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

_
Go fly a Spit you n00b <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok I will.

TheGozr
01-19-2005, 05:47 PM
LStarosta
Don't fart in Public thx

VW-IceFire
01-19-2005, 06:33 PM
The Yak's have silently changed without anyone saying anything. I haven't said much about them...I keep flying. Still a nice plane.

Turn is better than the 109 under 300 kph. With the Yak-1, it feels alot heavier now, roll rate is reduced, but its still agile enough to take on 109s...but it isn't as super anymore. Feels a little more like history now. Yak-9s are still competitive but they were never truly ahead of their contemporaries till the Yak-9U. The Yak-3 is as good as ever.

civildog
01-19-2005, 07:08 PM
The Zero is the same way until people figured out it's not a zoomie plane, but it spins on it's tail at low altitude and lower speed than it's capable of reaching.

You just have to learn to fly the planes within the parameters they were made to fly in. Sov planes were generally made for low altitude turn n' burn fighting. They weren't as as fast and well armed until really late in the war as the Germans' were.

All Soviet planes are great planes, tovarich, the Party says so. What's good enough for the Party is good enough for you. Or would you prefer a rifle in a penal battalion? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LStarosta
01-19-2005, 07:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
LStarosta
Don't fart in Public thx <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use Beano.

You, on the other hand...

TheGozr
01-19-2005, 07:53 PM
In my other hand Hum well i'm the one giving you those beanos..

And please like you said "ignore my Yak-9 whines" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Want to speak about cooking you can join me in your comms or mine.

vpiper
01-20-2005, 12:56 AM
@ Anarchy52:
@ Flyingscampi:

STFU http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Nubarus
01-20-2005, 03:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anarchy52:

Go fly a Spit you n00b

Or fly arcade...it's the same <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya, we saw how uber that Spit really is last night when another Axis flyer was ranting about how uber and noobish the Spits are in FB.

After he got his @$$ handed on a silver platter while he was flying the so called uber noob arcade Spit all that was left where excuses. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Now go http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif your BS somewhere else.

73GIAP_Milan
01-20-2005, 06:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
73GIAP_Milan
SO that mean you didn't read the board enough. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't flatter yourself. Some people choose to ignore your Yak-9 whines. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif true..

@TheGozr; i do not read all of it, but still compared to Ameriwhines and Luftwhines, Soviwhines are rather rare these days..

F19_Ob
01-20-2005, 07:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vpiper:
Hi all, whats wrong with YAKs now in game???? Jeus it's like a brick. Bf 109G turn over all types of YAKs. Yak is now the most unmodeled plane in Il-2 AEP PF. Manoeuvrability mainly of elevator and altitude is horrible. OLEG do something because this is impossible.
Real YAKs was great fighters with great manoeuvrability and not like in this game!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Hi vpiper.

Yes I also belive there is a bit of change in the yaks aswell as in other planes.
I also perhaps agree it feels a bit heavier, especially the yak9b the bomber variant.
Its difficult to detect what is changed because oleg doesnt always inform us of all the changes.

Anyway I 'Think' that they dont keep the energy as well as before (same with p40) meaning it takes a while to accellerate to full speed.
So in a slow speed fight the 109 accellerates a bit faster although the yak9 and yak9D turn a bit better. So I belive its a bit more difficult to keep the speed up like I "think" it was possible to do earlier, so this results in that it flips and stalls a bit easier.
Perhaps this makes u feel its a brick.
It still reaches its old top speeds but accellerates a tiny bit slower.
I cant see any differnce in turning ability exept for that it cant keep the turn going as long as before( maybe). Probably because of the longer accellerationtime?

The latest yak9's are atleast as good as the 109's and better than the earlier yak9 in slow speeds aswell.
Still the fight should be fairly equal between a later yak9 and a 109 with a 30mm cannon.
In the early days of fb the yaks were overwhelming in all fields compared to a 109 and u could fly full power without ever overheating. This made it impossible for a 109 to escape and the yak3 caught up with the 109 because the engine never overheated and it didnt slow down even when throttled down to 70%.
This is fixed now and its nowadays pretty challanging to fly yaks because the 109's are now in the same general category of performance, exept for the later yak9's and yak3 wich are better in some respects (not all) and it was those yaks that drove the 109's and fw190's back when it was possible to massproduce them.

In RL They were easier to fly compared to many other allied planes and an average pilot could handle it fairly well and accidents dropped off.
This is where many who dont study say it was a noob plane, but it ofcourse wasnt. It enabled not so good pilots to stay alive a bit longer and therefore score some kills but like in all other planes it was difficult to score hits if not close and with the yak there were possibilities to even catch a 109 occasionelly
especially in later yak models with experienced pilots.


In the game a rookie may survive a fight with a 109 meaning he may escape and land, but probably will not score any hits because he will run out of ammo.

Well ...my opinion anyway.