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GH_Klingstroem
06-18-2009, 05:23 AM
How will a new NVIDIA GTX285 1024MB GS compare to my Nvidia 8800GTS 340mb.
Im running a comuter with 3 gigs of ram dual AMD2 6000+ and windows XP and was thinking to update to the newer card.
Will I see a nice step in performance? Sometimes when I fly over big cities with my current card and get huge drop in framrate to extent that it looks like a slideshow. And with some of the newer maps in UI 1.1 (channel map for example) my framerate is really low.

Anyway im not an expert on video cards so is this a good card to get. I have found it for 300 Euros here in sweden.

I know most standard answers are to wait till the next generation of card comes out but thinking like that i will never buy a card.
Im also keen to stay with Nvidia and ATI was never as good for IL2..

Best regards

GH_Klingstroem
06-18-2009, 05:23 AM
How will a new NVIDIA GTX285 1024MB GS compare to my Nvidia 8800GTS 340mb.
Im running a comuter with 3 gigs of ram dual AMD2 6000+ and windows XP and was thinking to update to the newer card.
Will I see a nice step in performance? Sometimes when I fly over big cities with my current card and get huge drop in framrate to extent that it looks like a slideshow. And with some of the newer maps in UI 1.1 (channel map for example) my framerate is really low.

Anyway im not an expert on video cards so is this a good card to get. I have found it for 300 Euros here in sweden.

I know most standard answers are to wait till the next generation of card comes out but thinking like that i will never buy a card.
Im also keen to stay with Nvidia and ATI was never as good for IL2..

Best regards

R_Target
06-18-2009, 05:58 AM
It's probably as good as it gets with that card. I have a GTX260 and raw fps (v-sync off) was almost double my previous 8800GTS.

Fox_4
06-18-2009, 06:09 AM
The NVIDIA GTX285 is currently the fastest "single" card available. The difference between it and the NVIDIA GTX 275 isn't large though, and the ATI 4890 is also very close (the 4890 can match the 285 with overclocking, if that interests you). So consider the 275 and 4890 as they may be quite a lot cheaper than a 285 for almost as much performance.

There are also the "two video cards in one" options, the ATI 4870x2 and the NVIDIA GTX 295. The 4870x2 is two 4870 chips on one card (in Crossfire) and the GTX 295 is two 275 chips on one card (in SLI). These cards have the potential to be faster than any of the "single chip" options but that performance boost depends on driver optimisations and you get more benefit in some games than others... and even in the best situations they never quite get a 100% performance boost over their single-chip equivalent. Still, I'm mentioning them because the 4870x2 in particular might be available for the same price as the 285 (the 295 is just plain overpriced imo) and can beat it by some margin in terms of sheer horsepower, despite being a bit less hassle-free.

EDIT: Oh and also consider that, with your CPU not being quite cutting edge any more, you might not see the benefit in getting the fastest video card available rather than the 2nd fastest. Which points towards the GTX 275 or 4890, depending on pricing and your ATI/NVIDIA preferences.

WTE_Ibis
06-18-2009, 06:38 AM
All of these cards also punch out a lot of noise and heat, but I guess there is no other choice.
I think I'll wait to see if the next generation of cards is any cooler or quieter.
cheers



.

M_Gunz
06-18-2009, 06:49 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif <<=== green with envy & not just the card!

2600 Sempron, 2G RAM and a 7600GS with 512 here. -- can't run Rise of Flight or SOW

Fox_4
06-18-2009, 07:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif &lt;&lt;=== green with envy & not just the card!

2600 Sempron, 2G RAM and a 7600GS with 512 here. -- can't run Rise of Flight or SOW </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tell me about it! I have a similar system, Athlon XP 3000+/1GB RAM/7600GT... going to be getting a new system in the next few months though, and so I've been reading up on the current state of the market. Personally I'm waiting for (among other things) the release of the next set of graphics cards from ATI and NVIDIA. If this were July 2008 then I'd agree there's no reason to wait for the next gen, but the new cards are rumoured to be not-far-off now. That said, the performance benefit gained from using them with GH_Klingstroem's Athlon X2 6000+ might be fairly marginal, certainly less than with a brand new Core i7, so I think he's best off just buying now. Prices are already pretty low, retailers seem to be trying to shift their stock of the old cards to make room for the rumored new ones.

Anyhow, I'd like to correct my earlier post. It seems that for IL-2, SLI/crossfire doesn't do a whole lot... according to this thread, anyhow:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...9310655/m/4761065557 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/4761065557)

Plus there does seem to still be a performance advantage to NVIDIA cards in IL-2. I had assumed that was just a historical difference and wouldn't still apply. So it seems to me that the best choice for GH_Klingstroem would be the GTX 275 (as long as the prices are sensible... if the 285 is barely any more expensive or the 260 if a lot cheaper then they're worth considering).

GH_Klingstroem
06-18-2009, 07:54 AM
thx for answers guys! will check the GTX 275 card!!

Deedsundone
06-18-2009, 08:58 AM
I went from a 8800 GTS 640mb to a GF 260 (216) and saw big improvment.Steady at 60 (vsync on)at places it wasn“t before.Not so loud at 50%fan and stay cool at 45 degrees celcius at idle(40%fan) in my case (Antec 182).Cheap nowdays too and as I dont have any cutting edge cpu anymore(C2D6850) it suits me fine.But you might want to check if your PSU can handle the new card you choose though.

brp51d
06-18-2009, 08:59 AM
I am using a gtx 285 and I love it. To take advantage of this card, you need a very fast cpu. You have a very good one but I think you are correct to look at the 275, which you will probably get more value out of with your setup. If IL2 is your main reason for upgrade, a gtx 260 would also be a great option and less expensive [as would be the equivalent ATI alternative]. The dual gpu cards can be very fast but there are some drawbacks to consider. Heat, noise and power consumption are very high. Price of course, especially the gtx 295. Something else to consider is that these are essentially sli cards.If a game or sim does not benefit from sli, you may get better performance from a single gpu card. For example, the gtx 295 is essentially two gtx 260's running in sli. Il2 does not really benefit from sli. A gtx 275 would probably run it faster. Of course in a game optimized for sli, the gtx 295 will be far faster. As you describe your system, the gtx 275 or ATI equvalent would be a great choice.

mortoma
06-22-2009, 08:19 PM
I now have an EVGA 285GTS also. Excellent all around choice at this time.

WOLFMondo
06-22-2009, 11:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
All of these cards also punch out a lot of noise and heat, but I guess there is no other choice.
I think I'll wait to see if the next generation of cards is any cooler or quieter.
cheers



. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a GTX280 which is the noisiest and most power hungry GTX. Its actually neither that noisy at any time because I have adequate case cooling (i've heard louder cards before and that doesn't include the FX cards!) and its power consumption is high but only when pushed to its limits. IL2 doesn't push it very much.

steiner562
06-23-2009, 12:06 AM
I think a cpu upgrade would prob be bettr kling(off the top of my head),will put link in community help./

Manu-6S
06-23-2009, 01:38 AM
http://www.tomshardware.com/ch...-1680x1050,1069.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-2009/Sum-of-FPS-Benchmarks-1680x1050,1069.html)

I just bought a Zotac GTX 295, but I did not received it yet.

Yesterday I've got ARMA2...

GTX 295 + ARMA2 + TrackIR = .......... (put word)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wXx3vMy_AQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diavolirossi.net%2Fforums%2F showthread.php%3Ft%3D344&feature=player_embedded)

Xiolablu3
06-23-2009, 01:39 PM
COOL! I love Arma1
with all the user made mods and missions....

Klingstrom, do you wanna sell your 8800GTS?

I'll give you £40 for it? (around $65 I think) ;P

I guess you are USA and postage will be silly price http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

FoolTrottel
06-23-2009, 02:54 PM
I'm with Steiner... do not forget about your CPU.

I recently upgraded from 8800GTS/320 to GTX260/896.

There's an improvement, I do get higher FPS, with both AA/AF set to a higher value.

But still, over cities, the FPS drop about the same as before.

Running it on a Core2Duo E6600, 2.4Ghz.

Ba5tard5word
06-23-2009, 03:01 PM
If you are worried about noise, I have a GTX 260 and it is really quiet.

Manu-6S
06-24-2009, 03:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
COOL! I love Arma1
with all the user made mods and missions....
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you have Arma2 we can fight together sometimes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Xiolablu3
06-24-2009, 10:34 AM
I have preordered it mate, but I have never played Arma onlinbe before, I was actually talking about single player campaigns.

There are some amazing ones.

rfxcasey
06-24-2009, 03:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
All of these cards also punch out a lot of noise and heat, but I guess there is no other choice.
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Noise in usually just a byproduct of power. Who want's a silent V8? I can't hear the sound of all the fans in my machine over the roar of the merlin and the "RAT TA TA TA TA!" of the guns a blazin.

GH_Klingstroem
06-24-2009, 04:15 PM
i thought an AMD dual core 6000+ was a pretty fast CPU? No??

Deedsundone
06-24-2009, 11:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GH_Klingstroem:
i thought an AMD dual core 6000+ was a pretty fast CPU? No?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cpu charts.Afraid we“re not at the top as once we were. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Mine is ranked 103.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

WhiteSnake_76
06-25-2009, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GH_Klingstroem:
i thought an AMD dual core 6000+ was a pretty fast CPU? No?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More than enough for this game, and good enough for most other games.
If you compair its gaming performance with the latest AMD's you find that its still one of the faster AMD's around.

Xiolablu3
06-25-2009, 01:33 PM
AMD 6000+ is still a good CPU.

ABout the same as a intel C2D E6450 in games I think...

Xiolablu3
06-25-2009, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deedsundone:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GH_Klingstroem:
i thought an AMD dual core 6000+ was a pretty fast CPU? No?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cpu charts.Afraid we“re not at the top as once we were. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Mine is ranked 103.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do NOT trust those benchmarks where a Pentium Dual Core beats a Core 2 Duo E8300 and E6750(!)

Especially in games, the dual cores which are clocked higher are likely to beat the quad cores.

That chart is load of rubbish for real world stuff.

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-25-2009, 02:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Ibis:
All of these cards also punch out a lot of noise and heat, but I guess there is no other choice.
I think I'll wait to see if the next generation of cards is any cooler or quieter.
cheers
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I just built a new machine and put an XFX GTX 285 Black Edition (slight factory OC) in it. The performance gains were substantial and it actually runs much more quietly than my 8800GTS.


TB

stalkervision
06-25-2009, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by steiner562:
I think a cpu upgrade would prob be bettr kling(off the top of my head),will put link in community help./ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Help us stiener..please help us. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif