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Gwalker70
04-23-2005, 11:31 AM
seems that a lot of people who have been mentioned to me and who have been mentioned here that are testing 4.0, both people and whole squads, are allied plane junkies in general...a lot of these people are the same ones who use the word "luftwhiner" and argue that the spit should do a flat 180 turn at near black out and not loose any energy that is noticed.

Man-o-Man.. I pray there are some good people on the test team other than these guys above that give unbais feedback for ALL PLANES http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

RedNeckerson
04-23-2005, 11:57 AM
Be sure that all squads doing beta testing do not fly allied planes exclusively.

In some cases it's quite the opposite http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, I doubt very much that any beta testers, regardless of which side they fly on are seriously trying to cripple the other sides a/c or "uberize" their own.

I know of specific cases where beta testers are working to decrease the effectiveness of a certain thing that would give them a non-historic advantage upon the release of 4.0.(Really shouldn't comment any more on this)

The overall process does not lend itself very well to people trying to "pull one over".

I would also say that the vast majority of testers (IMO) respect the series and respect history enough to work hard for a result as close to history as can be achieved. Regardless od whether or not it gives them an advantage or disadvantage.

Many of the blue squads and red squads that are beta testing have long standing relationships and close communication as well as cooperation from flying with/against one another on a weekly basis.

Gwalker70
04-23-2005, 12:07 PM
you mis one point though.... some of the guys actually in thier HEART believe they should pull the stick back on a Spit all day long and maintain speed.. you see what I mean.. its not that they are going to pull one over.. or lie.. they actually think they are doing the right thing.

msalama
04-23-2005, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...feedback for ALL PLANES <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey c'mon, I've heard there're many professional pilots on the test team & I presume some ex-WWII jocks too. So maybe your fears are just a tad exaggerated, huh?

BBB_Hyperion
04-23-2005, 01:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by msalama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...feedback for ALL PLANES <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey c'mon, I've heard there're many professional pilots on the test team & I presume some ex-WWII jocks too. So maybe your fears are just a tad exaggerated, huh? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You shouldnt believe everything you hear .)
I am pretty sure you did read it anyway .

msalama
04-23-2005, 01:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am pretty sure you did read it anyway. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I did, 'twas on some forum or another. I just wrote "heard" instead of "read" without thinking about it at all.

So what... oh yeah, I get it! Saying "heard" kind of gives an impression of me being somehow involved with the project, right? Well, rest assured that I'm definitely not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Satisfied now?

Chuck_Older
04-23-2005, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
seems that a lot of people who have been mentioned to me and who have been mentioned here that are testing 4.0, both people and whole squads, are allied plane junkies in general...a lot of these people are the same ones who use the word "luftwhiner" and argue that the spit should do a flat 180 turn at near black out and not loose any energy that is noticed.

Man-o-Man.. I pray there are some good people on the test team other than these guys above that give unbais feedback for ALL PLANES http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry...so you beleive that the beta testers are going to tell Oleg Maddox what he's gotten right or wrong? And then Oleg will simply take their word for it and whatever they say needs to be changed will be changed?


Pardon me for saying, but why would Oleg waste his time and 1C:Maddox Games' money by doing this? He could eliminate all the development cost to produce the new FM if he'd simply take some beta testers, and get their input on what they want changed right now in 3.04, and then do that

He doesn't need a whole new FM to simply conform to someone's whim.

Oleg's not stupid. He doesn't need to spend money and time just to get a bunch of folks to say "I didn't like it, change this that and the other thing". Oleg is very much in charge and while he's changed some things under pressure before, this FM is the beta for his new flight sim, battle of britain. he's not going to just slap together a pro-allied FM because some game players say so, when the FM we get in 4.0 is also a Beta for the FM in BOB. That's counterproductive to his business- wasted time money and effort

Taylortony
04-23-2005, 01:45 PM
Its not just about flying ability......... I hope some of them pick up the glaring errors we have seen in the past, some of which we still have... things that we still have is the V111 spitfire clipped wing version casts a full shadow.... the B25 Nose undercarriage doors open inward and through the wheel instead of outwards oh and you can shoot the proverbial out of your own tailplane... I don't believe you could do that in real life.. as in most bombers........ oh and having flown off grass in real life many a time, it would be nice to add some "weight" to the planes as they do not jump around like a march hare on heat.....

There was also missing canopy frames etc that we got last time................ Trouble is most of em just fly them and dont actually look at what they are flying, and that lets beta testers down so far in this game......well in my opinion

msalama
04-23-2005, 02:04 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif What Chuck said...

EURO_Snoopy
04-23-2005, 02:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
seems that a lot of people who have been mentioned to me and who have been mentioned here that are testing 4.0, both people and whole squads, are allied plane junkies in general...a lot of these people are the same ones who use the word "luftwhiner" and argue that the spit should do a flat 180 turn at near black out and not loose any energy that is noticed.

Man-o-Man.. I pray there are some good people on the test team other than these guys above that give unbais feedback for ALL PLANES http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.omegacomplex.com/images/paranoia.jpg

Badsight.
04-23-2005, 02:35 PM
that picture sums it up

threads like this shouldnt be started

VW-IceFire
04-23-2005, 02:43 PM
Great picture!

I'm interested to know...how do you know who is doing the beta test (officially) and more importantly, how do you know all of the people who are doing the beta test? Do you have a complete list that you'd be willing to share with us or is this just a generalized opinion based on the notion that there is some kind of ill percieved bias against certain nations.

crazyivan1970
04-23-2005, 03:08 PM
Unfortunately, thanks to dishonest people beta leaked again... it is truly sad. No worries, every plane was tested and reported if needed. There are no preferences. Those who have leaked beta has no impact, be sure.

Wallstein
04-23-2005, 04:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:

Oleg's not stupid. He doesn't need to spend money and time just to get a bunch of folks to say "I didn't like it, change this that and the other thing". Oleg is very much in charge and while he's changed some things under pressure before, this FM is the beta for his new flight sim, battle of britain. he's not going to just slap together a pro-allied FM because some game players say so, when the FM we get in 4.0 is also a Beta for the FM in BOB. That's counterproductive to his business- wasted time money and effort <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good talk! Thank you, Chuck. Talk some sense into them! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Have a nice day,
Wallstein

Gwalker70
04-23-2005, 05:17 PM
CrazyIvan...your sig at the bottom says this...

"Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down."


so , obviously you feel strongly enough to agree with that statement to use as a sig...


see what I mean..

I bet you think the Dora should be a slow pig that cannot accelerate well...lol

its in the heart man... most cannot be fair..

I am not saying you dont have a right to be that way..... but for one to be in the process for a FM patch.. WOW look out... drunk with power syndrome time let the spits and yaks and p51's kill all!!!

Nubarus
04-23-2005, 05:24 PM
It's obvious Gwalker doesn't know that CrazyIvan uses the German planes the most.

Maybe it's better not to post about things, situations and people you know nothing about Gwalker.

Gwalker70
04-23-2005, 05:25 PM
man.. then heres a guy with a Spit in his sig.. lol I am ducking from cover.. split S and away I go

Badsight.
04-23-2005, 05:30 PM
thats a good idea

Badsight.
04-23-2005, 05:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
I bet you think the Dora should be a slow pig that cannot accelerate well...lol!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>as opposed to what ?

Atomic_Marten
04-23-2005, 05:36 PM
G, like DuxCorvan once says to one person on forum, "they did this one for you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif".

Nubarus
04-23-2005, 06:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
man.. then heres a guy with a Spit in his sig.. lol I am ducking from cover.. split S and away I go <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your not ducking for (It's for, not from) cover, you are avoiding the content of my post and continue to make insinuations purely based on the type of plane in my signature.

So far you have not made a single attempt to actually backup your previous ranting based on your own biased vision towards other people and their motivations.

If you would all want to wrap it into one word it would be "Trolling".

Badsight.
04-23-2005, 06:10 PM
now tell him how you really feel Nubarus

Bearcat99
04-23-2005, 09:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
seems that a lot of people who have been mentioned to me and who have been mentioned here that are testing 4.0, both people and whole squads, are allied plane junkies in general...a lot of these people are the same ones who use the word "luftwhiner" and argue that the spit should do a flat 180 turn at near black out and not loose any energy that is noticed.

Man-o-Man.. I pray there are some good people on the test team other than these guys above that give unbais feedback for ALL PLANES http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

These testers are testing for bugs in the FM.. not accuracy... I am certain that Oleg & 1C were confident on the accuracy before they released the beta.... they just cant do all the testing..... but do you really think they would change a planes FM without testing the information presented to them themselves before they made any changes.. regardless to what plane it was?

Relax man.................. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Fehler
04-23-2005, 11:30 PM
Take some Valium, turn the lights on, and relax to Silent Hunter III. Wait for the patch, and all will be good. I have faith.

P.S. That was an acorn, the sky is not falling...

msalama
04-24-2005, 02:56 AM
Well, a mild case of pre-patch paranoia - such as above - shouldn't probably be taken too seriously! But still, I do find it a bit strange that people nowadays seemingly start their whining before they even _see_ the patch, whereas in my youth one waited for the patch 1st and THEN whined if need be.

But each to their own, as they say...

WOLFMondo
04-24-2005, 03:04 AM
Maybe it would help if people knew what the beta stage in software development actually means. The beta stage is compatibility typically, alpha stage is the primary functionality and content stage.

The reason for a beta closed or otherwise is to find hardware and software conflicts NOT content of functionality problems.

LEXX_Luthor
04-24-2005, 03:24 AM
WOLF:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The reason for a beta closed or otherwise is to find hardware and software conflicts NOT content of functionality problems. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I like Bear's reason better, looking for BuGGs. I mean--how can Betty Testers have all the software and hardware the FB/PF street gangs have...or do game Devs furnish Betty Testers with all the latest gaming hardware?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HayateAce
04-24-2005, 03:26 AM
No offense gwalker, but if you are "praying" for a game, then a re-evaluation of the meaning of life is in order.

NorrisMcWhirter
04-24-2005, 04:01 AM
Hi,

I share your concern, GW, as I've often wondered what the breakdown (demographically, geographically etc) of the 'test team' is and I think we've all seen certain things decisions made that can only be attributed to leanings in a particular direction.

I do hope that the test team wouldn't introduce any bias as it would be a sad reflection on them (and their own aircraft) if they had to create conditions for an artificial advantage just so they could then post in here about how very superior xyz plane was just because of how it performs in the game. It would also be a slur on the memory of the pilots (many of whom were killed) and engineers of the disadvantaged aircraft from people who, supposedly, would be enthusiasts and fans of *all* WW2 aircraft.

Cheers,
Norris

WOLFMondo
04-24-2005, 04:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
WOLF:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The reason for a beta closed or otherwise is to find hardware and software conflicts NOT content of functionality problems. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I like Bear's reason better, looking for BuGGs. I mean--how can Betty Testers have all the software and hardware the FB/PF street gangs have...or do game Devs furnish Betty Testers with all the latest gaming hardware?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They will have a wider range than Oleg has in the officehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Closed or open beta's are the best way to do this.

When you do compatibility you actually start from the minimum spec, not the maximum spechttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

BTW Im a project manager in a software house specialising in outsource testing so I have a fairly good idea what im harping on abouthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Prop_Strike
04-24-2005, 07:45 AM
If you're worried that the Allied planes are too "uber", just find me and take me on in a dogfight!
I pretty much suck, so when you shoot me down you can feel like the Master of the Universe, no matter what you're flying http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Badsight.
04-24-2005, 05:28 PM
Gwalker is done with the thread

no leg to stand on is pretty hard to defend

BfHeFwMe
04-25-2005, 10:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
CrazyIvan...your sig at the bottom says this...

"Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down."


so , obviously you feel strongly enough to agree with that statement to use as a sig...


see what I mean..

I bet you think the Dora should be a slow pig that cannot accelerate well...lol

its in the heart man... most cannot be fair..

I am not saying you dont have a right to be that way..... but for one to be in the process for a FM patch.. WOW look out... drunk with power syndrome time let the spits and yaks and p51's kill all!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've got to read with a bit more care, "Kozhedub: In combat potential", key word potential. The La-9 never faced any German aircraft, never flew combat until Korea. The La-7 barely made the war, it was pretty much all over by the time it was recertified for combat, spent more time grounded than flying due to structural snafu's. That leaves the Yak-3, so basically it's a IMHO statement, since Kozhedub is a well known Yak pilot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BfHeFwMe
04-25-2005, 10:05 AM
At least wait till you fly the darn thing a while, and try several planes before you belly ache about it.

Hunter82
04-25-2005, 10:05 AM
I fly 109 ..... only allied when forced in a co-op or some sadistic ritual of team balancing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gwalker70:
seems that a lot of people who have been mentioned to me and who have been mentioned here that are testing 4.0, both people and whole squads, are allied plane junkies in general...a lot of these people are the same ones who use the word "luftwhiner" and argue that the spit should do a flat 180 turn at near black out and not loose any energy that is noticed.

Man-o-Man.. I pray there are some good people on the test team other than these guys above that give unbais feedback for ALL PLANES http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

crazyivan1970
04-25-2005, 10:21 AM
Dedicated 109 jock since IL-2 Demo here, you can ask around if you don`t believe me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As i said, each plane is tested, in and out - nothing left behind.

karost
04-25-2005, 10:57 AM
Gwalker70 , pls relax it's just a one (good) game to make a major people happy and minor people upset it's very hard and impossible to favor everyone.

two years we learned about that. so that is the (marketing) way it is.

let's enjoy Silent Hunter III while waiting the patch.

..... Don't worried .... be happy....
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jurinko
04-25-2005, 12:24 PM
I know more "blue" testers than the "red" ones.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gwalker70
04-27-2005, 12:27 AM
Badsight. I think .. so far as reading your posts on and off for the last 6 months.. if you had a p51 that was had a cracked wing.. and sitting next to it a perfect Dora...

you would take the P51 in the event of a volcano and then.. while you were up split the wing and crash.. and all the while going down.. sing "ohhh jubalee... god bless the P51... was a nice life.. god bless non-german planes.. " then die on the spot HAHAHAHAHA you crack me up

Badsight.
04-27-2005, 12:38 AM
you need a reality check

& to also fly all planes , they ALL are fun

Gwalker70
04-27-2005, 12:52 AM
I do... I love the P38 and Dora.. P38 is totaly Fed and the Dora is around 20 kph to slow at altitude

msalama
04-27-2005, 01:32 AM
Dora is around 20 kph to slow at altitude

According to what, exactly? Care to present any proof on that claim?

Badsight.
04-27-2005, 03:16 AM
it is

look it up & then fly it in FB

Lucius_Esox
04-27-2005, 06:31 AM
People like moaning, it is true http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I do sometimes as well.

Nothing much happening at the moment so lets all have a good *****....

Why am I gonna have to upgrade my m/c just play the game I used to play pre patch no prob http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Your turn

msalama
04-27-2005, 07:05 AM
it is

OK, I believe you. How to make 1C fix it then?

robban75
04-27-2005, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">it is

OK, I believe you. How to make 1C fix it then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He's been notified, and I'm sure he will get it fixed. For example, at 2000m, the D-9 is actually 33km/h too slow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif The Antons suffers from this bug as well.

RedNeckerson
04-27-2005, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by robban75:
He's been notified, and I'm sure he will get it fixed. For example, at 2000m, the D-9 is actually 33km/h too slow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif The Antons suffers from this bug as well.


That's 20mph too slow for the Focke-Wulfs for those that have problems with the metric system http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

msalama
04-27-2005, 12:38 PM
He's been notified, and I'm sure he will get it fixed.

OK, excellent! And in that case there's no need to start the whineparty AGAIN in the 1st place, is there? Because it'll get fixed _anyway_, right?

Right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

robban75
04-27-2005, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by msalama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">He's been notified, and I'm sure he will get it fixed.

OK, excellent! And in that case there's no need to start the whineparty AGAIN in the 1st place, is there? Because it'll get fixed _anyway_, right?

Right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure he'll get it fixed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

RedNeckerson
04-27-2005, 03:35 PM
I must not have been invited to the first "whine party". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

robban75
04-27-2005, 03:50 PM
Here you go! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/9781082852

It's for the 3.03 patch, but nothing changed for the 3.04 so it doesn't matter.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
04-27-2005, 06:25 PM
As for me ?

Well I am just worried about most of you here half of the time and the rest of you there all of the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

msalama
04-27-2005, 10:44 PM
That's very kind of you, Balrog. It's heartening to know that even in this harsh modern world of ours there's still someone who cares http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now where's me medication then?

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
04-27-2005, 11:22 PM
No worries http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif I am a staunch practitioner of remote Carein http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif