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flox
12-26-2006, 05:15 PM
I do zoom a lot, but not always. I mostly use it when I'm trying to score a few desperate shots on an enemy who has outrun me and is far away.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
12-26-2006, 05:15 PM
well - the idea was to simulate a pilots view as if to lean forward toward the gunsight - this sim was designed before the TrackIr system came along - so it is rudimentary.

Now that you can use TrackIr (without 6DoF mind you) there are many who will tell you that it is the only way to fly this sim WRT best situational awareness....I still use the number pad to look around and track E/A and only zoom all the way in on the gunsight view to administer the coup de grace after I've hit him a few times and got him smoking.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Akronnick
12-26-2006, 05:28 PM
Using more than one field of view is cheating, plain and simple.

It is totally unfair that pilots who are able to figure out how to program their joysticks and assign controls to allow them to adjust their FOV enjoy such a critical advantage, especially in combat.

I've been flying this sim for almost twenty-five years and whenever I meet a n00b who feels that he needs to adjust his field of view, it makes me sick. Not only is adjusting your field of view cheating, but so is using a hat switch or padlock view to look around. If it's not right in front of your gunsight, you shouldn't be able to see it. Real pilots never used a hat switch to pan their view. (Don't even get me started on TrackIR, I think the game should check to see if TrackIR software is installed at game startup, and if so should cause your computer to freeze indefinatly)

While we are on the subject, anyone who uses anything more sophisticated than a two-axis, two-button joystick should be banned. That some players would use a fancy piece of hardware to gain an unfair advantage just stinks.

So the only appropriate way to fly is with the view zoomed all the way to gunsight view, and centered on the gunsight, with a 2a/2b juystick and NO situational awareness, that's the only way it would be "fair".<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

---Loose nut removed from cockpit, ship OK

heywooood
12-26-2006, 05:36 PM
looking around is cheating?

pilots could only look straight ahead through their gunsight?


someone has abeen asmokin' achronic again.


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Bearcat99
12-26-2006, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Akronnick:
Using more than one field of view is cheating, plain and simple.

It is totally unfair that pilots who are able to figure out how to program their joysticks and assign controls to allow them to adjust their FOV enjoy such a critical advantage, especially in combat.

I've been flying this sim for almost twenty-five years and whenever I meet a n00b who feels that he needs to adjust his field of view, it makes me sick. Not only is adjusting your field of view cheating, but so is using a hat switch or padlock view to look around. If it's not right in front of your gunsight, you shouldn't be able to see it. Real pilots never used a hat switch to pan their view. (Don't even get me started on TrackIR, I think the game should check to see if TrackIR software is installed at game startup, and if so should cause your computer to freeze indefinatly)

While we are on the subject, anyone who uses anything more sophisticated than a two-axis, two-button joystick should be banned. That some players would use a fancy piece of hardware to gain an unfair advantage just stinks.

So the only appropriate way to fly is with the view zoomed all the way to gunsight view, and centered on the gunsight, with a 2a/2b juystick and NO situational awareness, that's the only way it would be "fair". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Yes. Scragbat I use the zoom and I see absolutely nothing at all wrong with it. Even with TIR AFAIC zoom helps to compensate for the linitations of a 2D 17-22+ inch monitor.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
12-26-2006, 05:48 PM
too bad it is too long for a sig quote....lol<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Shodan-
12-26-2006, 05:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Real pilots never used a hat switch to pan their view. (Don't even get me started on TrackIR, I think the game should check to see if TrackIR software is installed at game startup, and if so should cause your computer to freeze indefinatly) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly, but do you really think pilots didn't "look" around the plane when they flew. Like they had a C clamp forcing them to look down the gunsight 24/7?

And your arguement about the joystick thing is rediculous too... Sure pilots didn't have fancy joysticks with buttons all over, but they also had full cockpits with all the controls layed out.

Flying this sim for 25 years? I hope your post is a joke...

Akronnick
12-26-2006, 05:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Akronnick:
Using more than one field of view is cheating, plain and simple.

It is totally unfair that pilots who are able to figure out how to program their joysticks and assign controls to allow them to adjust their FOV enjoy such a critical advantage, especially in combat.

I've been flying this sim for almost twenty-five years and whenever I meet a n00b who feels that he needs to adjust his field of view, it makes me sick. Not only is adjusting your field of view cheating, but so is using a hat switch or padlock view to look around. If it's not right in front of your gunsight, you shouldn't be able to see it. Real pilots never used a hat switch to pan their view. (Don't even get me started on TrackIR, I think the game should check to see if TrackIR software is installed at game startup, and if so should cause your computer to freeze indefinatly)

While we are on the subject, anyone who uses anything more sophisticated than a two-axis, two-button joystick should be banned. That some players would use a fancy piece of hardware to gain an unfair advantage just stinks.

So the only appropriate way to fly is with the view zoomed all the way to gunsight view, and centered on the gunsight, with a 2a/2b juystick and NO situational awareness, that's the only way it would be "fair". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the record, all of that is BS.

The only way to get even 10% of the level of SA that the good ole Mk1 eyeball can provide is to use the zoom, wide field (and I mean all the way wide) for scanning, narrow field for target ID and aiming.

I even use TrackIR, a couple of fancy joysticks, rudder pedals, the whole nine yards.

It's your sim experience, enjoy it any way you like, you don't need our permission.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

---Loose nut removed from cockpit, ship OK

Akronnick
12-26-2006, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Shodan-:
Flying this sim for 25 years? I hope your post is a joke... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No really, I got my first copy of this Il-2 for my sixth birthday, in 1981, when did you get yours?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

---Loose nut removed from cockpit, ship OK

SlickStick
12-26-2006, 06:12 PM
For me, zoom view when they get within .5 to .4 with a little Shift+1 thrown in for good measure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Wide view is a great way to snipe from longer distances, as in when a bogey is attempting to zoom climb away and he's out of zoom range. Wide view gives a much steadier aim and I have my wing guns set at a wide angle to allow solid hits at longer distances. Stick and move baby, stick and move. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'm always switching back and forth between my default FOV, wide and zoom though. Someday I'll probably get a Track-IR as I'd love to not have to hat switch/mouse around.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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T_O_A_D
12-26-2006, 06:19 PM
Ever since I added Track Ir I reasigned my Hat button for the views. It only felt natural to leave the Hat to some sort of view after all the years of thumbing them around already.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/Smilies/icon_arrow_up.gif Gunsite Zoomed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/Smilies/icon_arrow_down.gif Wide View
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/Smilies/icon_arrow_left.gif Shift F1 View
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/T_O_A_D/Smilies/icon_arrow_right.gif Normal View<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Dr2GunzOD
12-26-2006, 06:44 PM
on my x52 hats, ive got widest pov and shift f1 for offset view, and normal pov and a zoomed in pov. then i have a full range of pov's set on my slider + TIR4.

BfHeFwMe
12-26-2006, 07:00 PM
I use my hat switch to mount that little clip dealy on for TrackIR, directions say to attach it to a hat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Willey
12-26-2006, 07:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scragbat:
For as long as I have been playing the IL2 series I have used two FOV's while flying on and offline. A wide(ish) 55 for general flying and looking around, and the zoomed gunsight view for close quarters when I have the enemy on my gunsight and I think I am at convergeance distance.

If the enemy tries to evade me when zoomed (if I haven't already bagged them) and they leave my FOV, I go back to the wide view and try to get them back onto my gunsight to zoom again.

Is this how all/most/some/none fly here? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's exactly what I do - but I use 90 instead of 55 to get a better overview. It's like focussing on the target when you zoom in. Because it's no real zoom. 35?? is realistic, but on a monitor, you can't see much around, that's why you can zoom out.

Viper2005_
12-26-2006, 07:06 PM
The last time I did the sums on this I concluded that with my monitor and viewing distance combination, gunsight view caused objects to be accurately displayed (ie they subtended the correct angle in my real-life field of view).

So, I feel quite justified in using gunsight view whenever I like. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I use "normal view" for general flying because it offers a good compromise IMO.

R_Target
12-26-2006, 07:13 PM
On CH Combatstick, I have toggle FOV on thumb button, toggle gunsight on the little side button by the trigger, and increase/decrease FOV on the four way hat. I just got TIR4 so I'm not sure what to do with my 8-way hat yet.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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papotex
12-26-2006, 07:15 PM
hehe thanks Akronnick. i needed that laugh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LEXX_Luthor
12-26-2006, 07:41 PM
too bad it is too long for a sig quote....lol ~heywood

mmm, lets explore...

"I've been flying this sim for almost twenty-five years." ~Akronnick

"Anyone who uses anything more sophisticated than a two-axis, two-button joystick should be banned." ~Akronnick

Lots of good material out there to bale like hey and chop down like wood to fit.


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Depending on things like aircraft type, distance, time of day, etc...I don't dare switch zoom views in a dogfight in this sim, as the instant jump zoom makes you lose sight of the LOD or Dot, as the case may be. The most immersive dogfight I ever had in terms of new experience was flying an Su-7 against a B-57 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif (I was a StrikeFighters newbie) and I became addicted to the very rapid yet smooth continuous zoom controls (after ramping up from sloth default controls) that allowed you to keep visual track of target combining view panning and zooming. Again, the pan and zoom controls out-of-box are miserable, but when changed give the most immersive dogfighting experience possible in any sim. The key is the continous zoom (or FOV) changes, and not the instant zoom jumps that makes one lose sight of the target.

The other new experience (Su-7) was something totally new to combat flight simulation -- 4 minute low level afterburner endurance of 1950s supersonic jets. Against that first B-57, I quickly learned to keep my hands off the afterburner or I'd run out of fuel. It was a *new* experience in that all we seem to be offerd by combat flight sim developers are the same leftover superjetHudfighters with "forever burners" like in the industry standard flight sim Su-27s and (I guess) F-16s -- I never bothered with the Falcon sims.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SeaFireLIV
12-26-2006, 07:49 PM
I have 3 views that I use with TIR.

1. A wide view that I pull out with to give me initial SA and when I lose or am tracking a bogey. Used a lot.

2. A middle view (the default really). Which is my chase and kill bogey view. Used a lot.

3. And a gunsight view for those hard to hit targets that need really precision. This is the least used view.

I also use the change View mode key which effectively doubles my views making them slightly wider if I`m really worried about what`s happening around me or I need the widest possible view for difficult take offs.

Of course, in a furball or high tension flight I am flicking through all these views automatically.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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p-11.cAce
12-29-2006, 08:55 AM
I picked up an old Saitek game pad at a flea market for $1 and tossed it together with a few scraps on the workbench last night - gonna mount it on the left panel of my cockpit to make it look like a field mod panel with the gamepad innerds hidden http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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p-11.cAce
12-29-2006, 08:55 AM
I picked up an old Saitek game pad at a flea market for $1 and tossed it together with a few scraps on the workbench last night - gonna mount it on the left panel of my cockpit to make it look like a field mod panel with the gamepad innerds hidden http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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FoolTrottel
12-29-2006, 09:10 AM
Yeah, I know how it works...

Got me the innerds of a Game-pad (12 buttons), a Thrustmaster Joystick (6 buttons, Hat-switch, 4 sliders) and a Topgun Fox 2 Pro (7 buttons, 4 sliders) all in one box...
Well, not all in one box, two sliders of the Topgun went into the home built rudder pedalset... (rudder+brake) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

However, this thing did cost me more than $1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
(And it looks like *** therefore no picture available http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif!)

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R_Target
12-29-2006, 10:24 AM
Hey, everybody's getting into the act. I had this broken Morley guitar pedal:

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that now has a Saitek Evo inside. I replaced the pots with some nice 100k Ohm ones and have rudder trim on top where the pushbutton is, elevator trim on the "output" side, and PP/RPM on the "input" side.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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