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Arment-
05-11-2006, 03:25 AM
I'm about to get into what seems like a great lineup of games, but I have a few questions to ask all the veterans here:

1. I don't have a joystick, but am willing to spend about 50 dollars on a quality one. Can you recommend one? I have no preference, it can be corded or wireless.

2. I hear the learning curve is tremendous and that is fine with me, but practice makes perfect and I know the games I play now you can find a server anytime of the day with alot of players. My question is...Is the community still thriving? Are there alot of servers around, or is it a dieing community?

Thats all I got. I've always been a fan of aviation and I'm a history nut. This game seems to fit the bill for those two interests. It looks like the community here is strong, so I hope my second question gets a positive one.

Thanks!

Arment-
05-11-2006, 03:25 AM
I'm about to get into what seems like a great lineup of games, but I have a few questions to ask all the veterans here:

1. I don't have a joystick, but am willing to spend about 50 dollars on a quality one. Can you recommend one? I have no preference, it can be corded or wireless.

2. I hear the learning curve is tremendous and that is fine with me, but practice makes perfect and I know the games I play now you can find a server anytime of the day with alot of players. My question is...Is the community still thriving? Are there alot of servers around, or is it a dieing community?

Thats all I got. I've always been a fan of aviation and I'm a history nut. This game seems to fit the bill for those two interests. It looks like the community here is strong, so I hope my second question gets a positive one.

Thanks!

strewth
05-11-2006, 03:33 AM
Welcome.

I currently run with he X-52 as it gives you heaps of buttons, etc and has a full throttle setup.

Yes the community is thriving, although most of our yankee bro's are still asleep or something. Should be wakey wakey time for them soon I think http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You should enjoy the community and there are heaps of helpful characters here to assist you with all kinds of things, including physics http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Please enjoy your time here and I am sure the others will be along shortly to welcome you also

B16Enk
05-11-2006, 03:38 AM
Hi and welcome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

1. Best bang for buck is the Saitek X52 as this is Joystick and throttle combo, however finances may dictate a less costly Saitek stick (as you have stated a $50 budget) such as the Evo.
Logitech sticks have a poor reputation for longevity here so may be best avoided.

2. This community is definately thriving, for online play you need to have the IL2 FB Complete edition (FB + AEP + PF).
Servers are best found using Hyperlobby (http://hyperfighter.sk/) and it is possible to find players all hours as it is a global system http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
History is discussed here at length, with a distinct aviation bent so I suspect you are going to feel at home here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Arment-
05-11-2006, 03:44 AM
The X52, as I have researched, is around 100 dollars. While it's not unreasonable, it's a bit more than I want to spend right now. Although the X52 does look great.

HotelBushranger
05-11-2006, 04:25 AM
I have a Logitech Attack 3. I've had it for about 1 and a half years. For the mere $35 AU, it was definitely a bargain. 11 buttons with a slider is great. The only problem with it is that it has sensitivity issues. For about 90% of the time I play, I cannot push the stick all the way to the right, I have to quit the game and recalibrate. Other problems like that are not being able to pull up completely, general twitchiness - I have to yank it around like a maniacfor about 10 seconds of smooth flying, and at times the slider, if pushed to the complete max, will chop and change throttle settings. And sometimes I locks up the joystick, making flying like a 109 in a high speed dive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ploughman
05-11-2006, 04:42 AM
I got a Trust 2600 a few weeks ago for 15.00. It's got a twist axis for rudder control and a slider for the throttle and a HAT switch. So far it's been very smooth and is well sprung and perfectly centred. The throttle sometimes pops from 110% to 108% for no obvious reason but other than that I'm thrilled with it considering how cheap it was. On the other hand, you get what you pay for. I'm not anticipating it maintaining it's current high fidelity for more than a year but for 15 quid I can hardly grumble.

Good luck.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-11-2006, 05:16 AM
Welcome aboard,

Based on what you have posted I would say that you have come to the right place if ww2 and air combat are your interests.

Joysticks, hmm well thats a good one to start on. To be honest any reasonably sturdy sub $50 joystick should be enough to help you decide whether or not this sim is for you.

Heck If you have a gamepad wih two configurable analogue sticks (kinda like an xbox gamepad) you will have enough to muck around in the quick mission builder.

Try quick mission builder before you dive into a campaign as your gona find take off can be a bit tricky at first. If you can find a stick with a twist handel thats even better as some kind of axis for a rudder is essential.

If you do get biten by the bug , then sadly words like budget and affordable are quickkly going to become a thing of the past as you will quickly realise that a decent joystick and a set of rudder pedals are a must for any one one who wants to take this simm to the next level. If you have any kind of mechanical aptitude (electronic or otherwise) there is always the option of building your own rig, and I suggest that you take a look at the stickies in the community help section for a few ideas on what can be done with a few pots and some marine ply.

Either way, the one thing about this sim is that it can cater to all levels of aircraft enthusiasts and 'most of us' are very happy with the way things have progressed over the years.

One thing I can honestly say is that, with out a defence budget and a lend lease policy, you will not find a better quality combat flight simulator for your dollar and the degree of support here from the developer is above and beyond the call of duty.

I hope you enjoy your stay like all forums we have our fair share of cooks geeks nerds and nuts and at least three women that I know of http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif four if you count Danjama, and he is the only one that will put out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Me ? I'm a , how do they say, Limey? Although thats a nautical term http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif , don't let it bother you.

enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

oh yeah wear sunscreen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bearcat99
05-11-2006, 06:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arment-:
Thats all I got. I've always been a fan of aviation and I'm a history nut. This game seems to fit the bill for those two interests. It looks like the community here is strong, so I hope my second question gets a positive one.
Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Welcome aboard..... Considering the above statement as far as the joystick, to be truthfull, even though $100 is double what you wanted to spend, I recommend that you spend the extra money now anyway because you will probably wind up doing it later once you get deeper into the sim... it is that good... and I can honestly say that even some of it's biggest critics keep on flying it... so that in itself is a testament to its quality. On it's own merits it is a great series... when compared to the alternatives that are out as far as WWII sims go... it has no competition... not even a close one. A good joystick is a MUST and well worth the investment... stay away from Logitechs... they have not been reliable in my experience... The Saitek is the best bang for buck as far as price, fucntion and quality goes bar none.

Hit the Essentials link in my sig to get a better feel for whats available in the community. Pay particular attention to the 5 star site Airwarfare.com, which is the absolute most all encompasing flight sim site on theplanet.. at least that I know of. Hit it thoroughly and often.

Hyperlobby, also in that thread is the venue where most of us fly online. Even right now there are 240 people logged in... in the evenings it sometimes gets into 4 figures. Just download the client and follow the instructions.

If you have any issues running it come here.. while we do have our share of nimtards here... most of the folks here are helpful friendly types who are more than willing to go out of thier way to help someone.. especially a newcommer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

GR142_Astro
05-11-2006, 07:48 AM
Pick up a Saitek X45 off ebay, or at the very least some other type of HOTAS setup. IMHO you should stay away from twisty rudder sticks and get a rocker rudder or pedals.

http://img.clubic.com/photo/00041668.jpg

Dew-Claw
05-11-2006, 07:56 AM
Twist sticks are just fine..
especially if you have leg or knee problems.

GR142_Astro
05-11-2006, 09:33 AM
In consideration of leg problems, I would recommend the rocker rudder found on the X45. In any event, I did say in MY opinion to preface my thoughts. I just don't like the twisties.

ploughman
05-11-2006, 09:39 AM
How does a rocker work? I'm v. happy with my twisty, but then I had nothing before then so I've nothing really to compare it too.

Of course ideally pedals would be the answer (assuming fully operational legs).

FlatSpinMan
05-11-2006, 09:41 AM
Welcome to the sim! It is really good fun. I cannot stress how much entertainment it has given me over the past two years(yes, I'm a noob). It is well worth the bit of money spent on a joystick. I have a Saitek Cyborg and it is alright. Not perfect but then again, it only cost $30 or so.
This is a damned cool game.

Bearcat99
05-11-2006, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
How does a rocker work? I'm v. happy with my twisty, but then I had nothing before then so I've nothing really to compare it too.

Of course ideally pedals would be the answer (assuming fully operational legs). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I prefer the X-45 because it has the rocker. It is a rocker switch on the throttle... moves from l to r. I have pedals so I use that as a switch for my flaps.

GR142_Astro
05-11-2006, 02:18 PM
Ploughman,

It's literally what you'd think: A large rocker switch and it's located on the lower side of the trottle. So you're operating the rudder independently from your stick movements. Makes for more coordinted flight in my opinion. Sure there is some throttle slamming/chopping in a nasty furball, but it's completely workable. I may have to move on to pedals eventually, but not until ebay runs out of NIB X45s.

:0

Xiolablu3
05-11-2006, 06:58 PM
Its funny, I quite like my twisty stick too. But I have never tried pedals - this could be why...

I find flying a twisty stick is quite natural, getting a faster roll rate is simple, bank and twist.

The only real prolem I have is using the hatyswitch with my thumb whilst in a manic dogfight - I often lose my bearings and crash into the ground, I guess more practise will help.

WTE_Galway
05-11-2006, 07:30 PM
i love my CH pedals &lt;3 &lt;3


even with the annoyance of having to pull the bottom off every year or so and resolder one of those overly thin toe brake wires that seem to snap far too easily

aside from making ball centring for deflection shots easier the proportional braking really helps with hairy landings when you have come in far to fast

BillPosters
05-12-2006, 12:19 AM
For a cheap as chips HOTAS solution don't overlook the Thrustmaster Topgun Afterburner II.
I got mine for a little under 100AUD. This translates to roughly 75USD but as the X52 is roughly twice the price of the Thrustmaster here in Oz you might expect the same price relationship wherever you are.

It has both a rocker rudder and a twisty stick which can be switched between at any time. The joystick can also be locked if you prefer the rocker and the twist annoys you.

I was initially skeptical as to its durability as it does look a bit flimsy, however I've been using it for a few months now with barely a sqeak of protest from it.
It's also a bit lacking in buttons and very lacking in extra axes but at the price I can hardly complain. It is programmable in a fairly limited way which also goes some way to making up for that.

I'm not entirely conviced that it will last a terribly long time but by the time it does wear out I think I'll be looking to upgrade anyway. As a bonus I'll be able to use the electronics from the device in whatever mad scientist pit building endevour I've come up with by then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Arment-
05-12-2006, 02:52 AM
Thanks for all the advice.

I'm looking on Ebay for X45s...found a few around 30 dollars right now...I'll keep track of them.

I'm a bit lost in some of the lingo. I am aware that most single joysticks use the twist function for rudder...But what is a "Rocker"?

carguy_
05-12-2006, 04:48 AM
The community is far from dying and actually still gets new blood regularily.Look up ubi.com/community and check which forum is the liveliest.This game is quite one of the kind - it guarantees long time entertainment if you`re into WWII flying.It`s not really pricy so well worth the training you need to fly succesfully in either theather,also the new BoB game.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-12-2006, 07:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arment-:
But what is a "Rocker"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the 'rocker'is simply a spring loaded see-saw effect axis. It sits on the underside of the x45 and x52 throttle and can be operated by your two middle fingers of your throttle hand to control left and right yaw

it can be seen here althogh it is orange on my x45

http://avault.net/hardware/images/saitekx45dj6a.jpg

GR142_Astro
05-12-2006, 09:00 AM
The background is orange, but Arment you can see the silver rocker clearly in this shot. You work it with two fingers on each side.

Balrog, is that true that the X52 has a rocker? I thought it was a twisty only.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-12-2006, 11:30 AM
OOOPs my bad to be honest I just assumed that the x52 was the same config as the x45. Sorry for the confusion

Personaly I prefer the x45 if your gona get one the 52 looks like a cybermans codpiece http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Troll2k
05-13-2006, 03:14 AM
The Saitek site has good deals on factory refurbished products.

http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html

Also I have heard that Walmart has a Saitek that is made only for Walmart.Graphite.I think the model is st290 but I am not sure.It is only $20.00.However I do not think it has twist so you would need either pedals or work the rudder with the keyboard.Although you could get an additional hotas only controller but I think that is probably out of your budget.

general_kalle
05-13-2006, 03:32 AM
i have a microsoft forcefedback...the only joystick i have ever had and its still great...microsoft will do it but im not very known about whats new