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p-11.cAce
02-13-2006, 06:35 AM
Ok I am a complete noob online - just started a few days ago. This morning I was on UK1 in HL and they had IL2 in the plane set so I hopped in and flew a (really great) bombing run with a low-level approach from the backside of the opposite team fwd base. I was happily scooting on home and setting up to land when I was kicked. I don't understand why...I did not vulch anyone, I was not on comms, I had correct markings, i've got a t1 line and my pings are always good. ???I enjoy this server a lot - what did I do wrong?

p-11.cAce
02-13-2006, 06:35 AM
Ok I am a complete noob online - just started a few days ago. This morning I was on UK1 in HL and they had IL2 in the plane set so I hopped in and flew a (really great) bombing run with a low-level approach from the backside of the opposite team fwd base. I was happily scooting on home and setting up to land when I was kicked. I don't understand why...I did not vulch anyone, I was not on comms, I had correct markings, i've got a t1 line and my pings are always good. ???I enjoy this server a lot - what did I do wrong?

WOLFMondo
02-13-2006, 06:41 AM
Might have been a timeout, there would have been no warning about this.

I'd ask on thier forums.

rnzoli
02-13-2006, 06:42 AM
Got to ask this from the servers admin, they probably have a forum for that.

But don't take kicks too hard. Sometimes packet loss restrictions set on the server will autokick someone without warning, or scripted tools boot you under specific circumstances. If you can join again the server, don't worry too much, but if you get banned or kicked repeatedly, check this with the server admins.

p-11.cAce
02-13-2006, 06:46 AM
k thanks- yeah it was weird no warning just disconnect and you have been kicked.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-13-2006, 08:48 AM
Same thing happens to me at WarClouds all the time too. I have a nice low ping, stout rig and a fast connection, but invariably I'll get kicked after about 5 minutes. These days I don't even try to fly there anymore.


TB

robban75
02-13-2006, 09:03 AM
You were too good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Seriously though, some hosts will do that. I was once kicked from a server because I refused to turn 'n burn at tree top level like all the others. I was in a D-9 and they flew Yak-3's and La-5FN's. I thought he was joking, and continued doing BnZ attacks. And he kicked me out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Hawgdog
02-13-2006, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robban75:
You were too good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Seriously though, some hosts will do that. I was once kicked from a server because I refused to turn 'n burn at tree top level like all the others. I was in a D-9 and they flew Yak-3's and La-5FN's. I thought he was joking, and continued doing BnZ attacks. And he kicked me out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UK doesnt kick for that, or anything other than vulching(strafing, (and AI gunners dont count) not rockets/bombs.....God I love bombing parked planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ), swearing, teamkilling, and thats about it. Although I did see two guys get banned for offensive names, and they are names you couldn't use here.
No, they are pretty calm with kicking. Repeated warnings, long past when I'd hit the KICK-user****

Jaws2002
02-13-2006, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robban75:
You were too good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Seriously though, some hosts will do that. I was once kicked from a server because I refused to turn 'n burn at tree top level like all the others. I was in a D-9 and they flew Yak-3's and La-5FN's. I thought he was joking, and continued doing BnZ attacks. And he kicked me out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO
So it wasn't only me that got kicked for that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I was in a dogfight squad server (I'll not name it) as soon as I have my wheels off the ground I get jumped by a p-38. I was trying to twist and turn a little in Dora9 but I was too slow, and got waxed. I was alone on the blue side, they were four on red.
Next sortie I took of from the far base and when i got to the front base at 3000m I saw two them waiting for me there. I shot both of them right there and went for their base with a solid altitude advantage this time. I Z&B the other two, and the first two again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
I got this message: This is bs, What kind of flying is that? Up, Down Up Down. There's no way that plane could do that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
I was laughing so hard. After i picked another yak3p hanging in the prop One of them said. Close the server and take all the fw's out. That's exactly what they did. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 09:59 AM
There is nothing quite as satisfying as being kicked from a server for being too good. Especially, when it's a squad server.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Not that I've ever seen that happen on UK or even heard of such a thing happening there.

Some people don't realize that they get better by losing to a superior pilot, if they apply the lessons learned from it. Some people's ego get in the way of that unfortunately. They get worse or stagnate by flying against the same people, with the same tactics everyday.

I truly LOL when I've been kicked for shooting the Host down too much. That's my favorite scenario. One rule of thumb for me on most open HL servers, DON'T SHOOT THE HOST!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The other thing it could be, p-11.cAce, is that UK-DED uses proprer MAX LAG and Speed Check (which could be a bit tighter there, IMHO) and sometimes a hiccup or small lag by your machine will cause you to time-out to the server once in awhile and be kicked.

The latter sounds more reasonable considering the server you were on at the time. My experience with that server has never been anything but honor and fun from the Hosts there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Jaws2002
02-13-2006, 10:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:

The latter sounds more reasonable considering the server you were on at the time. My experience with that server has never been anything but honor and fun from the Hosts there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True. UK ded has great servers with mature and fair admins. To get kicket there you either are autokicked or you have do something very wrong.
So I would also say was some kind of autokick.

Friendly_flyer
02-13-2006, 10:07 AM
I have flown on some of the UK servers and they never fail to time-out while I'm on. It's nothing personal(I hope).

p-11.cAce
02-13-2006, 10:14 AM
I logged into their forums and they all said the same thing- that most likely it was an auto-kick and not to worry. I am into tactical bombing and had flown a long circle around to the backside of the opposing base and roared in at 10M - great fun! I dropped my eggs and had sucessfully gotten the heck out of dodge only to get kicked. I thought maybe I got kicked for the bomb run but if you give me an IL2 to fly how can I resist?

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 10:22 AM
Also, to ensure that you give yourself every opportunity to remain in a server when you are abiding by the rules, visit Airwarfare (http://www.airwarfare.com) for the most comprehensive collection of tips, tactics, PC set-up to reduce stutters/lags/graphical issues and anything else you can think of to enhance this game.

It's a great place for new people and vets trying to get the best online performance and graphics out of their current rigs.

MLudner
02-13-2006, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
I have flown on some of the UK servers and they never fail to time-out while I'm on. It's nothing personal(I hope). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That keeps happening to me on 334th Dedicated. They always seem to change missions at the worst times. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
02-13-2006, 03:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robban75:
You were too good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Seriously though, some hosts will do that. I was once kicked from a server because I refused to turn 'n burn at tree top level like all the others. I was in a D-9 and they flew Yak-3's and La-5FN's. I thought he was joking, and continued doing BnZ attacks. And he kicked me out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats not the sort of thing that happens at UK-D. I know most of the admins...most of them are just happy to log into the server, not have to deal with any trouble makers, have a beer in hand, load up teamspeak, and chat/fly the night away. Its a very relaxed atmosphere most of the time.

Connections to servers can be flakey sometimes and on occasion the server does just drop out and most people end up being timed out. This is probably what happened.

VW-IceFire
02-13-2006, 03:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I logged into their forums and they all said the same thing- that most likely it was an auto-kick and not to worry. I am into tactical bombing and had flown a long circle around to the backside of the opposing base and roared in at 10M - great fun! I dropped my eggs and had sucessfully gotten the heck out of dodge only to get kicked. I thought maybe I got kicked for the bomb run but if you give me an IL2 to fly how can I resist? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
As long as you didn't strafe any live aircraft with your guns its fine. Bombs and rockets are allowed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GrinderX9
02-13-2006, 03:11 PM
This hapend to to me on UK1 this day also, I was flying at 6000 in the direction of the enemy, over blue water and not a enemy in sight. Suddenly i was kicked without warning http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

p-11.cAce
02-13-2006, 03:36 PM
I will be back in HL around 6:30 EST - will try to get back in UK1 then. The map we were on was really good and they had the IL2 in the planeset which is just awesome! I've been ping testing and I seem to have a great varience in my pings - between 299kps and 443kps?

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 04:17 PM
Overclocking? If you overclock is not stable, you will get kicked by the server Check Speed settings. From my understanding, this check was put in place for speed hacking. Players would vary their CPU speeds to cause their plane to do weird things on Servers. Oleg then put this in place to combat that. There are two parts to the check:

1. Percentage difference - allowable difference between checks
2. Check interval - time between checks

On WarClouds, i run a Percentage of 5% and intervals of 5 seconds. So if between the two checks your CPU speeds is different by more then 5%, you will get kicked. We have had many players build nice new rigs and all the sudden can't stay on the server because the first thing they do is overclock their cpus. First thing I ask anymore is, "are you overclocking". I then ask them to put their system back to stock speeds and all the sudden they can play on the server without getting kicked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. If you do not have good quality componants, your Overclock will not be stable and you will see your CPU speeds vary due to the poor quality of those parts. Wanna see if your OC is table, try playing on Warclouds for a hour or so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Taylortony
02-13-2006, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I will be back in HL around 6:30 EST - will try to get back in UK1 then. The map we were on was really good and they had the IL2 in the planeset which is just awesome! I've been ping testing and I seem to have a great varience in my pings - between 299kps and 443kps? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


press s in game online to show your connection and score http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif welcome to the online nuthouse http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

OldMan____
02-13-2006, 05:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
Overclocking? If you overclock is not stable, you will get kicked by the server Check Speed settings. From my understanding, this check was put in place for speed hacking. Players would vary their CPU speeds to cause their plane to do weird things on Servers. Oleg then put this in place to combat that. There are two parts to the check:

1. Percentage difference - allowable difference between checks
2. Check interval - time between checks

On WarClouds, i run a Percentage of 5% and intervals of 5 seconds. So if between the two checks your CPU speeds is different by more then 5%, you will get kicked. We have had many players build nice new rigs and all the sudden can't stay on the server because the first thing they do is overclock their cpus. First thing I ask anymore is, "are you overclocking". I then ask them to put their system back to stock speeds and all the sudden they can play on the server without getting kicked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. If you do not have good quality componants, your Overclock will not be stable and you will see your CPU speeds vary due to the poor quality of those parts. Wanna see if your OC is table, try playing on Warclouds for a hour or so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you know that can be pretty problematic if the guy is using an AMD FX and usingthe built in variable clock speed that AMD processors have to keep CPU cold when it is not needed.

I really don´t think it is a "fair" implementation to solve this problem. THere are other ways to solve that whitout forcing players to have they PC as a certain ruleset.

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
Overclocking? If you overclock is not stable, you will get kicked by the server Check Speed settings. From my understanding, this check was put in place for speed hacking. Players would vary their CPU speeds to cause their plane to do weird things on Servers. Oleg then put this in place to combat that. There are two parts to the check:

1. Percentage difference - allowable difference between checks
2. Check interval - time between checks

On WarClouds, i run a Percentage of 5% and intervals of 5 seconds. So if between the two checks your CPU speeds is different by more then 5%, you will get kicked. We have had many players build nice new rigs and all the sudden can't stay on the server because the first thing they do is overclock their cpus. First thing I ask anymore is, "are you overclocking". I then ask them to put their system back to stock speeds and all the sudden they can play on the server without getting kicked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. If you do not have good quality componants, your Overclock will not be stable and you will see your CPU speeds vary due to the poor quality of those parts. Wanna see if your OC is table, try playing on Warclouds for a hour or so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you know that can be pretty problematic if the guy is using an AMD FX and usingthe built in variable clock speed that AMD processors have to keep CPU cold when it is not needed.

I really don´t think it is a "fair" implementation to solve this problem. THere are other ways to solve that whitout forcing players to have they PC as a certain ruleset. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Overclocking a CPU has absolutely NOTHING to do with speed hack or speed check unless the overclocking is unstable and causing huge lags or freezes during heavy gameplay.

Speed Check detects internet connection speed of the Host and Clients. Speed hack is derived from overclocking your Operating System clock to make the program work faster. Like having time compression working online.

This has nothing to do with CPU overclocking. CPU overclocking is just about internal FSB and CPU speed of executing instructions. Think about it this way. If I upgrade my CPU to a faster model, am I speed hacking? The answer is no.

Speed hack is about making your operating system work faster by setting it's internal clock beyond normal. Besides, the most effective speed hack is when you use it to slow down. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 05:53 PM
And slickstick, what controls the SPEED at which your operating systems internal clock operates at??

BTW, Thanks for agreeing with what I said slickstick.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Speed Check detects internet connection speed of the Host and Clients. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, but i have to repectfully disagree with you on this one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. That would be the nearmaxlag and farmaxlag settings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Oldman, yes, if you are running Cool 'n Quit and it malfunctions and changes your CPU speed while you are in game, then you will get kicked if that change is more then 5%.

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 06:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
And slickstick, what controls the SPEED at which your operating systems internal clock operates at??

BTW, Thanks for agreeing with what I said slickstick.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Speed Check detects internet connection speed of the Host and Clients. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, but i have to repectfully disagree with you on this one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. That would be the nearmaxlag and farmaxlag settings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Oldman, yes, if you are running Cool 'n Quit and it malfunctions and changes your CPU speed while you are in game, then you will get kicked if that change is more then 5%. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry, but you don't seem to quite understand CPU overclocking, MAX LAG or Speed Check, however, after this post others will tell you the EXACT same thing.

1. MAX LAG detects packet loss and is set in seconds for how long a connection cannot send packets to the host. NEAR is when closely threatened. Always set closer on my server.

2. CPU overclocking is only making a lower model of CPU, say an XP1700, perform like an XP2600 333FSB. All that is done in the hardware is the difference between running one CPU or the other in the same motherboard. You wouldn't say someone is speed hacking because he has a faster stock CPU than you, correct? OK.

3. Speed Check is checking the difference in host/client speed of the game's clock. Speed hacking is using a program to change the internal clock that the operating system uses to run programs. This causes programs to run faster or slower than they are programmed or intended to, no matter the CPU you are using.

The operating system uses a clock that is not directly controlled by CPU speed. It is a software clock.

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 06:32 PM
I am sorry bud I completely understand CPU overclocking. But whatever. I am done with this. I said my peace http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Take if for what it is worth to you.

p-11.cAce
02-13-2006, 06:34 PM
Got back in - no worries http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I had not been kicked before just wanted to make sure I was not doing something stupid. I sure love low-level bomb runs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 06:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
I am sorry bud I completely understand CPU overclocking. But whatever. I am done with this. I said my peace http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Take if for what it is worth to you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd prefer you didn't go off believing yourself. Stop back in this thread another time and I'll make sure Coastie and a few others help you understand better. Especially as host of a popular server.

=S=!

Good for you p-11, I'll stop by and fly with ya. On my way in now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 06:48 PM
believe me bud... i am as enlightened as i need be. Obviouslyl you belive otherwise. But hey, everyone is allowed their own opinion. Doesn't mean its always right.

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 07:18 PM
Sure thing, yet your arrogance is the chink in your armor in this case. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 07:36 PM
slick,

i am going to refrain from insulting you, obviously you cannot do the same. But i suggest you do some googling on CPU clock rates, clock ticks, Frontside bus and cpu multipliers and do a little reading. Because this statement right here

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The operating system uses a clock that is not directly controlled by CPU speed. It is a software clock </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

tells me you do not understand the above things. Software CANNOT generate its own clock without a hardware clock. Also, I never stated that this was the case. Care to show me where i stated this?

So maybe you should take your own advise and understand the above things better as a very outspoken member of this community.

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 07:42 PM
I was speaking very matter-of-factly, no insults intended. I'll let the jury decide. =S=!

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 07:44 PM
I surely hope they do, because I would hate to think that all these journals on these things I have read are wrong.

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 07:54 PM
Just thought i would offer you some reading material to get you up to "SPEED" on the subject http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/clock_speed.html

pay particular attention to paragraph 3.

and


http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/C/clock_tick.html

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 07:54 PM
I don't feel your journals would be wrong. You're just confusing CPU clock speed with operating system clock speed. Two different clocks is all, controlled by different things.

One hardware, the other setup by Windows or your Operating System.

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 08:07 PM
Again, show me where I said what you are referring too. Because what is said was:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you do not have good quality componants, your Overclock will not be stable and you will see your CPU speeds vary due to the poor quality of those parts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What this means is, that if your overclock is unstable a byproduct of this is your CPU speeds will vary because your OVERCLOCK is unstable. This is just a way to SEE that your system is unstable and your system clock is out of wack. I never said that the CPU clock speed contolled the systems clock speed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">One hardware, the other setup by Windows or your Operating System </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This not true. Windows derives is clock speed from hardware, but it is not controled by the CPU's speed. If you read those two links, you will see where windows derives its clock speed from.

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 08:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Players would vary their CPU speeds to cause their plane to do weird things on Servers. Oleg then put this in place to combat that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Varying CPU speed could not be detected by Speed Check if it literally TOLD it it was varying it's speed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What this means is, that if your overclock is unstable a byproduct of this is your CPU speeds will vary because your OVERCLOCK is unstable. This is just a way to SEE that your system is unstable and your system clock is out of wack. I never said that the CPU clock speed contolled the systems clock speed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

An unstable overclock does not vary in CPU speed, it varies in stability at said speed.

Windows does not operate at CPU speed. A program like Speed Gear changes the operating system clock, while your CPU clock doesn't move an inch. That is what speed check is detecting. How fast the program is being clocked by Windows, not your CPU.

This is how speed hacking is accomplished.

http://www.hot-shareware.com/games/speed-gear/

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 08:45 PM
blah, now see... could have showed me that in the beginning of this, because that is not what I intended to say.

What I meant to say was

Players would vary their Clock Speeds to cause their plane to do weir things on servers.

See I was thinking bout Overclocking CPUs and something got lost between the brain and the fingers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Hey, everyone makes mistakes.

But yes slick, an unstable overclock can vary the cpu speeds. If the clock is unstable, it is not producing clock cycles at a stable rate. For instance, the clock that is controlling your FSB might not be getting enough power to sustain the Speed you have set. So it will vary up and down. This will result in your CPU speeds changing.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Windows does not operate at CPU speed. A program like Speed Gear changes the operating system clock, while your CPU clock doesn't move an inch. That is what speed check is detecting. How fast the program is being clocked by Windows, not your CPU </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did i not say the same thing here?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This not true. Windows derives is clock speed from hardware, but it is not controled by the CPU's speed. If you read those two links, you will see where windows derives its clock speed from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> That is what speed check is detecting. How fast the program is being clocked by Windows, not your CPU. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If this is the case, then explain to me why I have had countless players say they get kicked when they join the server. I ask them if they are overclocking and they say yes. I tell them to put their system back to default speeds and all the sudden they dont get kicked anymore? Then there are also players on the server that are overclocked to no end but never get kicked. I being one of them? Got and explaination for this one?

VW-IceFire
02-13-2006, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GrinderX9:
This hapend to to me on UK1 this day also, I was flying at 6000 in the direction of the enemy, over blue water and not a enemy in sight. Suddenly i was kicked without warning http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The server has a tendancy to occasionally go belly up. Watch for the lag-o-meter in the top right corner...

Sometimes everyone drops, sometimes its just one persons connection and it drops you. Remember that the server is in the UK so you have to go through the various transatlantic internet routes, usually over some of the busiest networks in the world. If your coming from North America mind you...as I am.

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 09:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
If this is the case, then explain to me why I have had countless players say they get kicked when they join the server. I ask them if they are overclocking and they say yes. I tell them to put their system back to default speeds and all the sudden they dont get kicked anymore? Then there are also players on the server that are overclocked to no end but never get kicked. I being one of them? Got and explaination for this one? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry you miswrote your first intention. no problem.

I already said an unstable overclock could cause speed check to be set off:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">From my 1st post,
Overclocking a CPU has absolutely NOTHING to do with speed hack or speed check unless the overclocking is unstable and causing huge lags or freezes during heavy gameplay. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It just doesn't do it the way you think it does. I won't comment on what most are resetting to stop themselves from being kicked from your server, but unstable overclock is a minute percentage. Be sure. Like your PC.

When a CPU overclock is unstable, it doesn't change speed, it crashes. CPU speed is a hardware function of multiplier and RAM. An unstable overclock does not change CPU speeds, it works at the set speed and is stable or it doesn't.

Sometimes quick freezes and lags, that can indeed cause speed check to detect an issue, can be overclocks on the edge of stability, but I've been overclocking CPUs since 1998 and I've yet to see a CPU vary speed beyond normal for the model it was set to in the hardware. It just isn't done that way.

There are certainly motherboard programs to control BIOS from within Windows and even change CPU speed, but you could never do that during a game, nor would it do what this program does to window's program clock.

Speed Gear you saw and Speed Gear is your ultimate answer. That program is what speed check is set up to detect. Hosts that don't use speed check properly, are wide open.

p-11.cAce
02-13-2006, 09:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Sometimes everyone drops, sometimes its just one persons connection and it drops you. Remember that the server is in the UK so you have to go through the various transatlantic internet routes, usually over some of the busiest networks in the world. If your coming from North America mind you...as I am. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I kept checking my stats (I think that is what "s" shows) while on UK1 I was running a ping of 138-150 and on 334th I was running 70-80. I should have kept in mind the increased ping due to the net distance. I'm learning....I think http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 09:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Sometimes everyone drops, sometimes its just one persons connection and it drops you. Remember that the server is in the UK so you have to go through the various transatlantic internet routes, usually over some of the busiest networks in the world. If your coming from North America mind you...as I am. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I kept checking my stats (I think that is what "s" shows) while on UK1 I was running a ping of 138-150 and on 334th I was running 70-80. I should have kept in mind the increased ping due to the net distance. I'm learning....I think http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When were you seeing those other high pings? Good to see your connection was stable and that it was most likely you and not a "power-hungry" admin....hehehe. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I already said an unstable overclock could cause speed check to be set off, it just doesn't do it the way you think it does. I won't comment on what most are resetting to stop themselves from being kicked from your server, but unstable overclock is a minute percentage. Be sure. Like your PC. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really how you are not saying that these people are cheating in some form or another because these particular ppl I have known for quite a long time. Some of them I have met in real life as well. I would put a weeks paycheck on a bet that they do not cheat. Sorry bud, but that is Bad Form.

Have you ever watched your CPU speed in a monitoring program? Have you seen it go up and down by a few hz. This can be amplified if your system is not providing enough power when you are over clocking. If you motherboard does not provide enough power to the clocks, it will not operate at the intended speed. THis will result in your cpu speed going up and down. It can cause freezes and lags as well. I understand you may have been working with overclocking cpus for awhile, but I have been dealing with electronics for well over 10 years now. Most of it in industrial complexes where electical power can be dirty as dirty can get. And you'd be suprised what this will do to a CPU or other Processors. Clock generators are not happy if they are not getting consistant clean power.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Speed Gear you saw and Speed Gear is your ultimate answer. That program is what speed check is set up to detect. Hosts that don't use speed check properly, are wide open. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that is purely up to the server admin for sure. If they are not informed on these settings, then they probably do not have them set properly. I on the other hand know very well what these settings do and how to set them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. As you can see my setting are pretty tight

checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.05
checkTimeSpeedInterval=5
socksHost=

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=0.5
nearMaxLagTime=0.5
cheaterWarningDelay=1
cheaterWarningNum=2

And to be honest, i am not really happy with the Maxlag settings. I am probably going to tighten up the cheaterWarningDelay a bit more. I am evil that way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 09:41 PM
In the form of a few MHz, that amount of CPU speed varying would be negligible to speed check, unless it creates a freeze, like any part of your hardware can...HDD, vid card bottleneck...etc, but I agree there is a normal speed +/- tolerance to any CPU speed.

I like the MAX LAG, but BBLoke seemed to do an awful lot of testing and found that limiting server bandwidth to 28.8 or such, as I think you do, too and running 3 secs, 3% speed check was the best balance of control and allowing some leeway for the honest folk. But, that was also for 10 or 12 slots, not as many as Warclouds holds.

As for the cheating, Sparx, if you don't understand the rampant cheating that occurs on your server and in HL everyday, you can only either be a part of it, or do not understand all the ways that people cheat at this game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Please, the "you cry when you lose" speech is not needed. Rarely, do I think someone is cheating, that is out flying me. Extremely rarely. It doesn't happen often that I'm even outflown on the servers that I fly on or visit, but it happens, and I salute the pilot that does it everytime honestly without the freeze, lag, slide, warp, excuse-filled BS session, is all.

The rest, when everything's fine until you start whupping them, then well, I'll make up my own mind, thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yes, I've not been on Warclouds since the early days and sporadically over the last year, but I recognize names from the past everytime I look down the list, lololol. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 09:54 PM
Oh I do not deny there is cheating going on. There are many cheats that cannnot easily be detected. But belive me, I do know how to spot someone that is cheating. And we do act on those players.

Also, just last weekend we put alot more testing into the Maxlag checks because we were seeing alot more Warping going on. What we found was VERY disturbing to say the least. But i can tell you, if you try to Warp yourself with those settings, you will get the boot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, but not as fast as I would like. Hence i am probably going to lower the time between checks.

As for allowing leeway for honest folks, well, I just don't see it honestly. If you cannot play on the server without laggin, warping and so forth, then you need to find a different server that you have a better connection to. I dont feel it is right for anyone to ruin the gameplay for someone else because of their connection to the server. Seems harsh, but who wants to shoot at bouncing rubber balls all night?

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 10:00 PM
Very true. I was mostly thinking about map rotations. That's usually when the honest folk get dropped, if they have issues. We can help them, it's the others we must annihilate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
02-13-2006, 10:13 PM
Have yet to have anyone complain about getting dropped on map rotation. You can control that by map design http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Gotta build your maps smart and that is a non-issue.

I have no tolerance for cheaters. Just ask around on HL, i am sure there is one person in particular that will attest to that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Some ppl just don't know when to shut up.

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 10:41 PM
As admin of a server, I'm sure you see enough of that.

SlickStick
02-13-2006, 10:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
Some ppl just don't know when to shut up. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And some don't know how to admit they are wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Freelancer-1
02-13-2006, 11:07 PM
Oh you two...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Who's gonna blink first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

OldMan____
02-14-2006, 03:57 AM
As someone who have a master degree on Operating Systems I will only say:

In a PC there are mainly 2 ways to optain data about time frames. You can use intenal clock system, that USUALLY is not affected by CPU speed, but sometimes IS affected by CPU hanging very close to its vcore limit. Wehn I make an overclock tha is close to limit I can always notice my CPU date and time lag in a few minutes per day!


Also it may be done by using the register that all CPUs have that hold the curent clock cycle number. If a program uses this data to measure time slices (very common when very precise data is needed), if your clock speed varies it will affect the result. This sytem unfortunately can only be used if you are sure your CPU does not hange speed (like modern AMD ones do).

Xiolablu3
02-14-2006, 11:05 AM
P11 Ace what name do you fly under? I love the UKdedicated servers too and will look out for you on there.

I suspect you will love the POland map, Only 2 planes available. ALthough its hell for your kill/death ratio with all that MG fire spraying about from both planes!!

Stuka on German side vs P11 on Polish!! Great fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

See you on there soon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-14-2006, 11:25 AM
I fly under the same name I use here, I don't overclock, don't cheat (never even tried that prtscrn thingy) and STILL get kicked from War-Clouds in short order. I'm more inclined to think it's related to my ISP. There's got to be an inherant delay somewhere along the pipeline that doesn't want my PC to play nice with Sparx' tight settings despite my low ping.

I haven't tried in months, but perhaps I'll crawl on tonight for a couple quick sorties and check it out.

DOH! This is Valentines Day...no PC flying tonight.


TB

Xiolablu3
02-14-2006, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I fly under the same name I use here, I don't overclock, don't cheat (never even tried that prtscrn thingy) and STILL get kicked from War-Clouds in short order. I'm more inclined to think it's related to my ISP. There's got to be an inherant delay somewhere along the pipeline that doesn't want my PC to play nice with Sparx' tight settings despite my low ping.

I haven't tried in months, but perhaps I'll crawl on tonight for a couple quick sorties and check it out.

DOH! This is Valentines Day...no PC flying tonight.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you ever use Bitorrent AND use ZOnealarm as a firewall?

For anyone who combines these two, after you close down bitorrent all the incoming connections (of which there are hundreds) are treated like attacks by zonealarm and logged in a text file under default settings.

As there are so many of these 'attacks' after closing bitorrent they are stored and then written to the log file every few minutes, this logging caused me to be kicked from servers often as there were so many that the log took a second to write and my ping shot up as it happened.

The solution is to use a different firewall and turn off logging OR get the full Zonealarm and uncheck 'logging of attacks'

Hope this helps.

mynameisroland
02-14-2006, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
Ok I am a complete noob online - just started a few days ago. This morning I was on UK1 in HL and they had IL2 in the plane set so I hopped in and flew a (really great) bombing run with a low-level approach from the backside of the opposite team fwd base. I was happily scooting on home and setting up to land when I was kicked. I don't understand why...I did not vulch anyone, I was not on comms, I had correct markings, i've got a t1 line and my pings are always good. ???I enjoy this server a lot - what did I do wrong? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was probably a lag kick mate, I used to get that all of the time. Make sure that your digital tv isnt plugged in to the phoneline, it dowloads things all of the time. That used to give me burst of huge pings when I regularly sat at 29 normally and Id get disconnected every 30 min. Once I sorted that out Ive had no problems on UKD1 or UKD2

robban75
02-14-2006, 12:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robban75:
You were too good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Seriously though, some hosts will do that. I was once kicked from a server because I refused to turn 'n burn at tree top level like all the others. I was in a D-9 and they flew Yak-3's and La-5FN's. I thought he was joking, and continued doing BnZ attacks. And he kicked me out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats not the sort of thing that happens at UK-D. I know most of the admins...most of them are just happy to log into the server, not have to deal with any trouble makers, have a beer in hand, load up teamspeak, and chat/fly the night away. Its a very relaxed atmosphere most of the time.

Connections to servers can be flakey sometimes and on occasion the server does just drop out and most people end up being timed out. This is probably what happened. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know, I was just trying to be funny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif It wasn't aimed at any special host. It's been years since I got kicked for something like that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Xiolablu3
02-14-2006, 12:23 PM
The thing I love about the UKded servers is the 'code' that the regulars fly with and new pilots, if they are any good soon adopt.

If there is a plane in a good position to fire, rather than butting in and all firing at the same target, regulars and admins will cover the shooter from above, to protect against incoming enemies.

If a plane is damaged, people dont rush in to finish it off, it is understood that the guy who put the effort in should finish the kill. Also shoulder shooting is considered very bad.

Its great to fly with people who have such a sensible and unselfish manner. This is why I love the server.

Unfortunatley 'weekend' syndrome is well known as all the part timers come in and the server often descends into AFJ and 334th style madness (not knocking those servers they just have different rules and ettiqute). This is when the regulars disappear to UKded2 which is better anyway as it has cockpit on.

If you do decide to try out the Ukded servers please try and adopt these 'ideals' as you will soon find out they benefit you and the whole team, and it leads to a much more enjoyable and rewarding game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The admins hate to have to deal with idiots, as they just want to fly. I know from speakign to them that having to kick someone for teamkilling or swearing is very annoying when they are trying to bomb a target or cover their bombers.

pwengland
02-14-2006, 06:26 PM
As Xiolablu3 was saying about the "code", this is the type of server i was looking for. I'm still new to online flying and tried ukded for the first time a few days ago and also got kicked. I got up, got shot up a bit, returned to base respawned and was kicked.
It seems on AFJ and 334 nobody uses comms. I'll get on teamspeak and try again, watch and listen for awhile, see if i get the hang of it.

Xiolablu3
02-14-2006, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pwengland:
As Xiolablu3 was saying about the "code", this is the type of server i was looking for. I'm still new to online flying and tried ukded for the first time a few days ago and also got kicked. I got up, got shot up a bit, returned to base respawned and was kicked.
It seems on AFJ and 334 nobody uses comms. I'll get on teamspeak and try again, watch and listen for awhile, see if i get the hang of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mate, we will help you sort it out. Mayeb its your ping.

Come to the UKded forums and make a post here, maybe you are getting lag spikes which make your ping go over 400 for a few seconds, this would make you be kicked.

Were you on Ukdedicated 2 with cockpit on? This server has just implemented new software which allows us to have a limited number of a certain plane, such as 10 Me262's. Once all these have been destroyed or are in use, you will get a warning point for each second you are in the plane. When these points get to 100 you will be kicked. Its not ideal and often new people dont realise whats going on, but you will get used to it once you realise how it works. This may have been why you got kicked. Did you notice a line in chat saying 'you may not fly this plane!'?

Maybe you attacked friendly targets, whatever it is, the admins will sort it out for you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sometimes its hard to see what the server messages are. You should open your chat box and drag the corner bigger with mouse so that you can see more than one line of text. Have it at about 6 lines so that you can see the server messages, chat and target info/State of the battle. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Hope all this helps you a bit. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=36


What name do you fly under? I will wathc out for you and try to help you work things out.

p-11.cAce
02-14-2006, 08:26 PM
Flying online has got to be the best kept secret ever! I've had nothing but good experience with 334th and everytime I've flown with them there are many on ts which is exactly what I am looking for. I've had no kicks since going through my comp and getting rid of any unneeded **** running in the background. I flew for 4 hours tonight on the 334th with no issues at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Now If I could just learn to shoot!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

OldMan____
02-15-2006, 03:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
The thing I love about the UKded servers is the 'code' that the regulars fly with and new pilots, if they are any good soon adopt.

If there is a plane in a good position to fire, rather than butting in and all firing at the same target, regulars and admins will cover the shooter from above, to protect against incoming enemies.

If a plane is damaged, people dont rush in to finish it off, it is understood that the guy who put the effort in should finish the kill. Also shoulder shooting is considered very bad.

Its great to fly with people who have such a sensible and unselfish manner. This is why I love the server.

Unfortunatley 'weekend' syndrome is well known as all the part timers come in and the server often descends into AFJ and 334th style madness (not knocking those servers they just have different rules and ettiqute). This is when the regulars disappear to UKded2 which is better anyway as it has cockpit on.

If you do decide to try out the Ukded servers please try and adopt these 'ideals' as you will soon find out they benefit you and the whole team, and it leads to a much more enjoyable and rewarding game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The admins hate to have to deal with idiots, as they just want to fly. I know from speakign to them that having to kick someone for teamkilling or swearing is very annoying when they are trying to bomb a target or cover their bombers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does a Uk ded with pit on exist? I swear I only remember seeign pits off on HL. And I don´t play on pits off.

Xiolablu3
02-16-2006, 03:06 PM
Yes m8, UK dedicated 2 has pit on and its the prefered server of the admins and regulars. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WHat name do you fly under? I will look out for you on there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

OldMan____
02-16-2006, 03:07 PM
Just found the server. But the externals on scared me away. I don´t liek people F6 ing all the time (specially because my style is all about sneaking up).

SlickStick
02-17-2006, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
As someone who have a master degree on Operating Systems I will only say:

In a PC there are mainly 2 ways to optain data about time frames. You can use intenal clock system, that USUALLY is not affected by CPU speed, but sometimes IS affected by CPU hanging very close to its vcore limit. Wehn I make an overclock tha is close to limit I can always notice my CPU date and time lag in a few minutes per day!


Also it may be done by using the register that all CPUs have that hold the curent clock cycle number. If a program uses this data to measure time slices (very common when very precise data is needed), if your clock speed varies it will affect the result. This sytem unfortunately can only be used if you are sure your CPU does not hange speed (like modern AMD ones do). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, the main point that is being missed is that Speed Check was put in to prevent the use of programs like Speed Gear. From Oleg's own mouth. Getting extra FPS or if I'm running the game with an XP3200 versus your XP1700, is not what speed check is looking for.

Take Sparx's Speed Check of 5% he uses on WC and the fact that speed check is used to detect the use of Speed Gear and others like it.

This means that if you and I are in the same exact plane, flying at the same indicated speed on the screen, but I'm allowed to make the program clock run up to 5% faster using Speed Gear, my plane will ALWAYS be up to 5% faster than yours. I'll also turn 5% faster, climb 5% faster...etc. And it can be tied to a hot key for instant on/off use.

Nobody speed hacks in a game by changing CPU speeds, NOBODY. They do it by using a program that, in it's effect, makes it as if you can use time compression online, while others cannot. They are at 1x speed, but you're able to fly at 1x speed PLUS, up to 5% faster.

MAX LAG is about packet loss and setting anything below 0.5S or 500mS is ludicrous. It's only a setting that detects packet loss between host and client. The cheating you can do via packet loss is negligible with a 0.5S MAX LAG set. Packet loss causes freezes and warp as the plane recovers from the lag using dead reckoning.

0.5S is more than enough MAX LAG to prevent any functional use of print screen or internet connection manipulation to drop packets. Speed Gear is the #1 way of cheating in this game and why we have Speed Check in the conf.ini.

BaronUnderpants
02-17-2006, 03:12 PM
From experiance kicks is always due to lag, high ping, ping spikes...simply connection trouble.

Iv yet seen anyone getting kicked for other reasons without ample warnings ( exeption is to high negative score from friendly kills, u wont get any warnings from that either ). Allways make sure u have 4-5 rows of chat visseble so u dont miss any warnings or other from host/server.

SlickStick
02-17-2006, 03:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
From experiance kicks is always due to lag, high ping, ping spikes...simply connection trouble. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's why the connection is laggy, crappy, warpy, that you don't see. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Xiolablu3
02-17-2006, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
Just found the server. But the externals on scared me away. I don´t liek people F6 ing all the time (specially because my style is all about sneaking up). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its annoying that there is no externals with nopadlock, but thats just how it is. We would all like to have the padlock switched off but to have externals, you have to have it on.

Just try it for a bit, for fun. People arent F6ing all the time, they are just playing the game.

OldMan____
02-18-2006, 03:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
As someone who have a master degree on Operating Systems I will only say:

In a PC there are mainly 2 ways to optain data about time frames. You can use intenal clock system, that USUALLY is not affected by CPU speed, but sometimes IS affected by CPU hanging very close to its vcore limit. Wehn I make an overclock tha is close to limit I can always notice my CPU date and time lag in a few minutes per day!


Also it may be done by using the register that all CPUs have that hold the curent clock cycle number. If a program uses this data to measure time slices (very common when very precise data is needed), if your clock speed varies it will affect the result. This sytem unfortunately can only be used if you are sure your CPU does not hange speed (like modern AMD ones do). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, the main point that is being missed is that Speed Check was put in to prevent the use of programs like Speed Gear. From Oleg's own mouth. Getting extra FPS or if I'm running the game with an XP3200 versus your XP1700, is not what speed check is looking for.

Take Sparx's Speed Check of 5% he uses on WC and the fact that speed check is used to detect the use of Speed Gear and others like it.

This means that if you and I are in the same exact plane, flying at the same indicated speed on the screen, but I'm allowed to make the program clock run up to 5% faster using Speed Gear, my plane will ALWAYS be up to 5% faster than yours. I'll also turn 5% faster, climb 5% faster...etc. And it can be tied to a hot key for instant on/off use.

Nobody speed hacks in a game by changing CPU speeds, NOBODY. They do it by using a program that, in it's effect, makes it as if you can use time compression online, while others cannot. They are at 1x speed, but you're able to fly at 1x speed PLUS, up to 5% faster.

MAX LAG is about packet loss and setting anything below 0.5S or 500mS is ludicrous. It's only a setting that detects packet loss between host and client. The cheating you can do via packet loss is negligible with a 0.5S MAX LAG set. Packet loss causes freezes and warp as the plane recovers from the lag using dead reckoning.

0.5S is more than enough MAX LAG to prevent any functional use of print screen or internet connection manipulation to drop packets. Speed Gear is the #1 way of cheating in this game and why we have Speed Check in the conf.ini. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Just let me explain. IF I had a way to control CPU current speed I CAN CHANGE the perception of time passage for program that relly on tick counters (a lot of them). I don´t know exaclty what hardware ( MOBO chipset) allows that. Put is is NOT impossible. Not pratical, but indeed possible. This program may possibly do this exactu same thing, but only affecting the tick counter, not the speed itself, but windows must be a really pathetic SO if it allows that.

But about Overclock, this should only create problems if you don´t have enough vcore to keep internal clock feed.

OldMan____
02-18-2006, 04:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
Just found the server. But the externals on scared me away. I don´t liek people F6 ing all the time (specially because my style is all about sneaking up). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its annoying that there is no externals with nopadlock, but thats just how it is. We would all like to have the padlock switched off but to have externals, you have to have it on.

Just try it for a bit, for fun. People arent F6ing all the time, they are just playing the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sorry, but I think externals on brings nothign good to game and expoils a lot of it. Will have to stick to Spitvs109 and WC (unfortunately greater green seems quite abandoned on recenlty, I think it is stuck at same PAcific thater mission for months now)

SlickStick
02-18-2006, 09:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OldMan____:
As someone who have a master degree on Operating Systems I will only say:

In a PC there are mainly 2 ways to optain data about time frames. You can use intenal clock system, that USUALLY is not affected by CPU speed, but sometimes IS affected by CPU hanging very close to its vcore limit. Wehn I make an overclock tha is close to limit I can always notice my CPU date and time lag in a few minutes per day!


Also it may be done by using the register that all CPUs have that hold the curent clock cycle number. If a program uses this data to measure time slices (very common when very precise data is needed), if your clock speed varies it will affect the result. This sytem unfortunately can only be used if you are sure your CPU does not hange speed (like modern AMD ones do). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Again, the main point that is being missed is that Speed Check was put in to prevent the use of programs like Speed Gear. From Oleg's own mouth. Getting extra FPS or if I'm running the game with an XP3200 versus your XP1700, is not what speed check is looking for.

Take Sparx's Speed Check of 5% he uses on WC and the fact that speed check is used to detect the use of Speed Gear and others like it.

This means that if you and I are in the same exact plane, flying at the same indicated speed on the screen, but I'm allowed to make the program clock run up to 5% faster using Speed Gear, my plane will ALWAYS be up to 5% faster than yours. I'll also turn 5% faster, climb 5% faster...etc. And it can be tied to a hot key for instant on/off use.

Nobody speed hacks in a game by changing CPU speeds, NOBODY. They do it by using a program that, in it's effect, makes it as if you can use time compression online, while others cannot. They are at 1x speed, but you're able to fly at 1x speed PLUS, up to 5% faster.

MAX LAG is about packet loss and setting anything below 0.5S or 500mS is ludicrous. It's only a setting that detects packet loss between host and client. The cheating you can do via packet loss is negligible with a 0.5S MAX LAG set. Packet loss causes freezes and warp as the plane recovers from the lag using dead reckoning.

0.5S is more than enough MAX LAG to prevent any functional use of print screen or internet connection manipulation to drop packets. Speed Gear is the #1 way of cheating in this game and why we have Speed Check in the conf.ini. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Just let me explain. IF I had a way to control CPU current speed I CAN CHANGE the perception of time passage for program that relly on tick counters (a lot of them). I don´t know exaclty what hardware ( MOBO chipset) allows that. Put is is NOT impossible. Not pratical, but indeed possible. This program may possibly do this exactu same thing, but only affecting the tick counter, not the speed itself, but windows must be a really pathetic SO if it allows that.

But about Overclock, this should only create problems if you don´t have enough vcore to keep internal clock feed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Old man, if you know as much about Operating Systems as you claim to, then you must completely understand what Speed Gear does as a program to Windows. That's all you need to worry about for Speed Check. No actual cheating is accomplished through CPU overclocking.

The final, best example would be this:

We'll play a simple game of numbers. We are each given the numbers 1 through 5. To win the game, you must use a higher number than your enemy in a fight.

Let's say Windows is setup to load the numbers in memory and set the Reference point at number 1. The game program applies the following equation:

(Reference) + 2 = X (number played)

In this case, (1) + 2 = 3

Now, on my PC, I have a cheat program that allows me to set the Reference to 2. Now, when the game applies the same equation on my PC:

(Reference) + 2 = X

My output becomes: (2) + 2 = 4

I start at 4. I'll always be +1 ahead of you. Speed Gear program does the same thing, it sets the game's point of reference for speed, higher or lower, and the scale adjusts from that new reference point, in effect, giving you time compression online.

OldMan____
02-18-2006, 09:23 AM
I am not saying that changing CPU speed is what cheaters do. I am only claiming that IS possible to interfere on several programs and drivers (specially) notion of time running by changing clock at runtime.

Xiolablu3
02-18-2006, 09:25 AM
If changing your cpu speed changed the speed of the game, then everyone would be playing games at different speeds.

It cant possibly work that way. (and doesnt)

Why doesnt PC clock on your desktop get faster when you overclock? Same reason.