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jwalk2c
05-15-2005, 11:09 AM
Hello . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Been using a MS Sidewinder Precision Pro stick since 1998,99. Still works great but I want a change. And later I want to add rudder pedals.
I am definatly NOT well endowed with cash but ,heck its only money, right?. Your going to make more.(You know the saying about "a fool and his money" , ha . thats me)
I have Cadillac taste with a wornout Chevy Lumina income.
So, were comparing around $220.00 CH Products online shiped to USA NC,.compared to $299.00 Thrustmaster plus shipping.
When your spending this much I think you might as well get the best.
I can't find anyone that has Thrustmaster in stock,but I don't mind waiting.
I am leaning towards the Thrustmaster because of its looks.
I fly R/C planes and there is usally the same kind of Ford vs. Chevy debate about which Transmitter/ radio gear to use, ie:
Futaba vs. JR. I have flown Futaba for 13 yrs and never a problem. And Jr stuff is top guality also.
So with that said I want a brand of flight sim hardware that I can stick with for a long time.
And has cablibiltys to map keyboard functions as easlily as quickly as possible.
Thanks to all who share such a wealth on info on this board.
Flying on computer would not be nearly as fun without this forum and all the other forums.
Thanks
Johnny Walker

jwalk2c
05-15-2005, 11:09 AM
Hello . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Been using a MS Sidewinder Precision Pro stick since 1998,99. Still works great but I want a change. And later I want to add rudder pedals.
I am definatly NOT well endowed with cash but ,heck its only money, right?. Your going to make more.(You know the saying about "a fool and his money" , ha . thats me)
I have Cadillac taste with a wornout Chevy Lumina income.
So, were comparing around $220.00 CH Products online shiped to USA NC,.compared to $299.00 Thrustmaster plus shipping.
When your spending this much I think you might as well get the best.
I can't find anyone that has Thrustmaster in stock,but I don't mind waiting.
I am leaning towards the Thrustmaster because of its looks.
I fly R/C planes and there is usally the same kind of Ford vs. Chevy debate about which Transmitter/ radio gear to use, ie:
Futaba vs. JR. I have flown Futaba for 13 yrs and never a problem. And Jr stuff is top guality also.
So with that said I want a brand of flight sim hardware that I can stick with for a long time.
And has cablibiltys to map keyboard functions as easlily as quickly as possible.
Thanks to all who share such a wealth on info on this board.
Flying on computer would not be nearly as fun without this forum and all the other forums.
Thanks
Johnny Walker

Hristos
05-15-2005, 11:10 AM
I own both.

Don't get Troublemaster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

IVJG51_Swine
05-15-2005, 11:20 AM
Something else you might take into consideration is that the CH line now has the Throttle Quadrant as well. It's a great piece of equipment that is fully programmable for IL-2.

http://www.chproducts.com/retail/index.html
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/1531015613
The CH verses Thrustmaster debate has been going on for quite awhile. I have a CH setup and it's flawless in performance.

TooCooL34
05-15-2005, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hristos:
I own both.

Don't get Troublemaster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Airmail109
05-15-2005, 12:14 PM
From the photos ive never liked the tacky plasticy look of the CH sticks...even the x-52 looks better LOL.

Viking-S
05-15-2005, 12:24 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/F16_fatboy/PICT0031.jpg

I have the Cougar and the Quadrant and never had a serious issue with either of them.
My sons PC got an X45 that he is happy with. It feels too much of a toy to be in my taste.

Grue_
05-15-2005, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">From the photos ive never liked the tacky plasticy look of the CH sticks...even the x-52 looks better LOL. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Forget the photos, in reality they are extremely well made, have excellent tech support from CH hanger and the best kit you can buy IMO.

Thrustmaster is a very good stick but google up on the problems some people have with them.

Neither CH or Thrustmaster have twist rudders btw.

IVJG51_Swine
05-15-2005, 02:04 PM
I wasn't aware that you could use the Thrustmaster with the Quadrant. Thanks for posting that.

You should go to frugalsworld and look at the forums over there.
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=49

For some people they have to use some $$ mods to get the lasting performance out of the Thrustmaster. I have used both and prefer the CH. That's just me though. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

horseback
05-15-2005, 02:30 PM
In my wasted youth, I was literally bullied into buying a brand new 1973 Capri with a 2000cc engine and 4-speed transmission by my father, who (as usual) knew better. For $3500, it was far and away the best car I've ever owned-I bought it just before the first oil crises, and it gave me 33 mpg with great reliability, plus it possessed performance on a par with the new Datsun 240z (don't laugh-I ate those things up from a standing or running start all over the Phoenix metro area; it was a light metallic olive green with front and rear spoilers, for those of you who might remember it). It never caused me any problems mechanically , although I did get a couple of tickets for my exuberance...

I sold it when I joined the Navy, and the $98.00 monthly payments along with the $35/month insurance seemed a bit much for my E-3 salary...to a friend of my Dad's who still owns it and keeps it in pristine condition. He won't let me near it (he says that tears of regret can leave permanent stains). It still gets 33 mpg, and can get from San Diego to Phoenix in less than 6 hours (traffic and Highway Patrol permitting).

Later, when I'd made enough rank to afford some wheel in Pearl, I lucked into a 1970 BMW 2002, which offered a bit more room than the Capri (I was looking for another one) and similar performance, although it only got 23 mpg. I had to constantly time and tune the thing, change the oil and filters every three months, rebuild the fuel pump every year, fix the window rollup mechanism every 8-10 months, and there was this rubber doughnut-like thing between the transmission and the drive shaft that disintegrated every other year and was a b!atch to replace. The body metal was amzingly subject to rusting away at a harsh word, too, but it was a blast to drive, and I kind of liked tinkering with it.

I kept it eight years, partly because it was still cheaper than a new (and probably lesser) car, and partially because of its virtues.
I still wish I'd kept the Capri, though.


I own a CH HOTAS rig-Combatstick, Pro Throttle, and Pro Pedals, and I find that CH controllers are like the Capri in my experience, and I suspect that the Thrustmaster stuff is like the BMW, if what I've heard about on these boards and from a couple of friends is any indication.

So if you like something that performs well from the outset, is low maintenance, and doesn't cost too much, get the CH stuff. If you want to get the high status name recognition, have to constantly fiddle and maintain and upgrade, for similar performance, get the Thrustmaster.

cheers

horseback

RevvinUK
05-15-2005, 03:32 PM
I've used many sticks over the years made by Saitek, CH Product and Thrustmaster. I owned a HOTAS Cougar for around 18 months, well four to be precise because in that period 4 of them developed faults. I now use CH gear and spend a lot more time playing and enjoying my time in the virtual skies rather than worry if my controls will fail me again.

I found that the lighter spring tension meant I only had to fight the planes around me rather than the spring tension of the Cougar. My gunnery seemed to improve and my flying was smoother. The software has been updated regularly with some even better stuff on the way as well as some handy utilities such as the control centre app that sits in your taskbar and allows you to load profiles quickly without having to start up the whole Control Manager software application.

Comparison's are made between the high end controllers, plastic vs metal etc but to simply call them plastic does a disservice to CH's 25 year history in the industrial and aviation controller business. The knowledge they have built up from those highly durable controls has been transferred to their gaming controllers.

BenvZijl
05-15-2005, 03:46 PM
a week ago i received my Ch Hotas set and to be honest.....i dont want to get anything else anymore **** it rockz....CH is THA BOMB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif