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Da11en47
06-13-2005, 10:24 PM
I find it very easy to use the deckgun (when you can at least). The accuracy is just about 100% for me when Im doing the shooting. I just ask the WO for the range and line everything up and start hitting Destroyers at 4500m. I guess my question is how hard was it in real life? And are my skills really better than a enenmy destroyer at 4500m ???

Da11en47
06-13-2005, 10:24 PM
I find it very easy to use the deckgun (when you can at least). The accuracy is just about 100% for me when Im doing the shooting. I just ask the WO for the range and line everything up and start hitting Destroyers at 4500m. I guess my question is how hard was it in real life? And are my skills really better than a enenmy destroyer at 4500m ???

Illustrious789
06-13-2005, 10:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Posted Mon June 13 2005 21:24
I find it very easy to use the deckgun (when you can at least). The accuracy is just about 100% for me when Im doing the shooting. I just ask the WO for the range and line everything up and start hitting Destroyers at 4500m. I guess my question is how hard was it in real life? And are my skills really better than a enenmy destroyer at 4500m ??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

4500m, eh? Pretty dang long. Can't be 100% accuracy at that, eh? What age/realism are you playing. That may effect your deck-gun query. They were pretty accurate in WWII if stationary anyways.

Da11en47
06-13-2005, 10:32 PM
Nothing less than 100%

Illustrious789
06-13-2005, 10:39 PM
Hmm, must be some aces in the crew http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. They are awfully accurate, however, I'd expect a destroyer would engage you faster than you could sink it with an 8.8cm cannon.

Da11en47
06-13-2005, 10:43 PM
HAHA Yeah thats the funny part. I usually have to dive before I ever destroy anything. I really find this easy to do. I know it's not just me.

Illustrious789
06-13-2005, 10:48 PM
Hmm. I'd also think a destroyer's armor plating would be pretty much invulnerable to 8.8cm gun shells anyways... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

rls669
06-13-2005, 10:58 PM
If 88s could kill tanks, I'm sure they could penetrate a piddly little boat like a destroyer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Illustrious789
06-13-2005, 11:05 PM
They are 8.8cm guns, not 88mm flaks. BIG difference in power. I've said this many a time. Perhaps I should put it on my sig for easy access. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Trydan
06-14-2005, 03:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Illustrious789:
They are 8.8cm guns, not 88mm flaks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Eh? 8.8cm = 88mm. Or did I miss something here.

FDNYFAN
06-14-2005, 03:59 AM
Nice pic Illustrious789. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
I sank 1 of those reasently. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
It was a sitting duck in Scapa along with 2 King George BB's,1 Revenge BB and 1 Auxilary Cruiser. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Skarphol
06-14-2005, 06:01 AM
The German 88mm (8.8cm /3.5")guns and it's bigger brother the 105mm (10.5cm/4.1") are very effective both against ships, armour and planes. It all comes down to what type of grenade you use. The norwegian coastal artillery used captured ex-german 105mm guns up til the early 1990's. Practical range for a shoremounted 1928-model Skoda or Krupp-produced 105mm was 15 kilometers/9 miles. The sighting was either by radar, by TV-camera and laser-rangefinder, or as a third option; optical sights. The shells would normally be AP or HE, and those would penetrate quite a few centimeters of armour. A destroyer are not very thick-skinned and would be easily destroyed by a few good hits.

On a sub, rolling slightly in the waves, the chanse of hitting something that is travelling on 4.500 meters are less than zero. Moving the barrel only 1? port or starboard will make the shell land 80 meters to left or right of your target. So hitting destroyers repeatedly on that range is unrealistic!

Skarphol

W.Irving
06-14-2005, 06:03 AM
As Illustrious789 said, these are not the 88mm Flak 18/36/37 guns originally developed by Krupp and Bofors.

These are 88mm L45 guns built for naval use. They are shorter (thus less accurate, has less range, and have lower recoil) and fires a lighter grenade.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skarphol:
So hitting destroyers repeatedly on that range is unrealistic!

Skarphol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
True. See this accuracy table for the Flak 18/36/37: http://www.panzerworld.net/88l56.html
And this was a gun highly praised and feared for its accuracy. 19% at 3kms. On land. The naval L/56 definitely has a stabilizer, but even so I very much doubt it could match the 19%. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maj_Solo
06-14-2005, 10:01 AM
I don't think you can be 100% accurate at that range, but close to. I ask the WO and subtract 100 - 150 m, but rate of fire also helps u keep those hits, unless u ask WO shoot ask WO shoot ask WO shoot then maybe u have found a way to keep the hits. Anyways I agree it is around 4000 I start to get my 100% , hrrrrpf, I mean 98% hit ratio, and occasional miss when I lower the barrel too much when compensating for the closure rate.

No, your question is about the gun stabilization --- did it really exist?, and my question is also if a hit in the mast or any other insignificant place contributes to the ships sinking.

It is pretty funny that when you play around with aiming at hundreds of meters you can hit a ship that is ..... so narrow ..... so well ..... ok then .... bullet trajectory ..... ok ... u math folks, help out here and explain why we can hit when we are aiming with that granularity at 4Km, I left school 20 years ago (and in systems programming we use + - * / and % and try not to engage the FPU ).

S VIIC_41
06-14-2005, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Eh? 8.8cm = 88mm. Or did I miss something here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You missed the part where he said FLAK. Both are 88mm or 8.8cm but one is a deck gun and one is a FLAK gun. FLAK as in Flieger Abwehr Kanone. Flieger Abwehr Kanone as in flyer defense cannon. Deck gun as in a gun on a deck. A deck of a submarine. A submarine as in a u-boat. A German U-boat.

... enough detail? XD

Maj_Solo
06-14-2005, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Illustrious789:
They are 8.8cm guns, not 88mm flaks. BIG difference in power. I've said this many a time. Perhaps I should put it on my sig for easy access. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahum, I might be an ignorant newbie, but german 88 could be used for whatever purpose depending on what ammo was put into it. Maybe they use 88mm with HE and AT and and and maybe the the 88 on the subs where no special sub88, I am absolutely sure I am wrong but anyways, feel free to explain.

durban01
06-14-2005, 01:44 PM
Here is a good site with information on the naval version deck guns.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_main.htm

The 8.8cm/45 SK C/35 was used on the Type VII u-boats and the 10.5 cm/45 SK C/32 was used on the type IX u-boats.

Between this site and W.Irving provided you can do a basic comparison of the two types of 8.8cm (88mm) guns.

W.Irving
06-14-2005, 02:10 PM
FLAK is short for Flugzeugabwehrkanone.
Plane Defence Gun in English.

Being mounted on the deck of a ship, it can't be as powerful as the land based counterparts. The only similarity between the SK L45 and the KwK 36 L56 is the calibre and the fact that both have a breech, a barrel, and a muzzle. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Frederf220
06-14-2005, 02:31 PM
Yes. Deck gun is too easy.

Also, you musn't confuse the 8.8cm German naval gun with the 88mm gun on a Tiger tank. They have the same diameter but are quite different guns.

StgShultz
06-14-2005, 02:56 PM
I seem to remember reading elsewhere where it was stated that 1 of the main differences between the dreaded 88mm flak/tiger gun and the 88mm naval is that the 88 flak had a much higher barrel velocity by squeezing the round tighter in the barrel (forgotten the technical term).
I suggest that you research for a reliable web site the explains the differences.

legodragonxp
06-15-2005, 06:05 AM
The term you are looking for is 'barrel taper'. The Flak 88s had that to a limited degree, but no where close to some the the anti-tank guns that the germans developed.

I used to play a lot of tabletop miniature wargames, and I remember cringing everytime the newbie player on the german team found the waepons table for the flak88 against ground vehicles.

-Lego
-Lego

Tomus
06-15-2005, 07:54 AM
The "88" Flak Anti-Tank gun was a completely different weapon than the deck gun. They were made by different companies and used different ammunition.

From uboat.net:

The 8,8cm gun
The type VII U-boats had the 8,8cm gun. This weapon is not to be confused with the famous German Army 8,8 anti-tank / anti-aircraft gun which was probably the best weapon of the war, they did not even use the same ammunition. The 8,8cm gun fired a 12-14 kilogram round (9kg warhead), on board were usually 250 rounds. From June 1943 the Atlantic-boats left their bases without the deck gun. Only in the Mediterranean and the Northern Sea boats kept their guns for a few months longer. In July 1944 some of the VIIC boats from the 8th Flotilla in K¶nigsberg got their guns back for the patrols in the Baltic Sea against the Russians.
The 88mm naval deck gun was not capable of anti-aircraft fire since its maximum elevation was only 30 degrees.

Mylo42
06-15-2005, 08:50 PM
Was the deck gun on an actual U-boat stabilized ? The one in SHIII just seems too accurate.

Tomus
06-16-2005, 04:55 AM
I don't know tbh.

I think the gun is probably about right, your target is massive, the crew are trained and as you can only usually use it on flat calm I reckon its prbably ok.