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Philipscdrw
05-23-2007, 07:37 AM
I was reading Wright's I185 thread,and the eulogy by Col.King, where he describes Wright escorting an enemy aircraft home because he was out of ammo and no longer a threat...

I must say, that would never occur to me!

So, online, at what point do you mentally award a kill? When the opponent has exploded into the ground? When he's died in any circumstance, i.e. strafing him while taking off? When you win a pitched battle? When he's run out of ammo? When he's too damaged to continue? When he's bailed out? When he's jettisoned his bombs due to your attack?

I tend to fly on the near-full-switch servers (but not very often recently) and the fighting is quite impersonal. You get up there and try to acheive the objectives: destroy/defend the troops, escort/intercept the bombers, shoot down the enemy aircraft. In some servers, attacking airfields is encouraged, because it forces each side to think about airfield defence. It's quite war-like and immersive. Getting a jabo to drop his bombs is worthwhile because it'll be 15 minutes before he can go home and get some more to your troops!

On some airwar coops it can be even more brutal. Strafing parachutes can become a valid tactic!

When I've visited low-switch servers (no-cockpit view, externals, etc), the atmosphere is much more 'sporting' and chivalrous. No vulching, rules against attacking people when their undercarriage is down, the fighting is a bit more abstract and staged. That was my brief impression anyway!

So what would you define as a 'kill'?

Philipscdrw
05-23-2007, 07:37 AM
I was reading Wright's I185 thread,and the eulogy by Col.King, where he describes Wright escorting an enemy aircraft home because he was out of ammo and no longer a threat...

I must say, that would never occur to me!

So, online, at what point do you mentally award a kill? When the opponent has exploded into the ground? When he's died in any circumstance, i.e. strafing him while taking off? When you win a pitched battle? When he's run out of ammo? When he's too damaged to continue? When he's bailed out? When he's jettisoned his bombs due to your attack?

I tend to fly on the near-full-switch servers (but not very often recently) and the fighting is quite impersonal. You get up there and try to acheive the objectives: destroy/defend the troops, escort/intercept the bombers, shoot down the enemy aircraft. In some servers, attacking airfields is encouraged, because it forces each side to think about airfield defence. It's quite war-like and immersive. Getting a jabo to drop his bombs is worthwhile because it'll be 15 minutes before he can go home and get some more to your troops!

On some airwar coops it can be even more brutal. Strafing parachutes can become a valid tactic!

When I've visited low-switch servers (no-cockpit view, externals, etc), the atmosphere is much more 'sporting' and chivalrous. No vulching, rules against attacking people when their undercarriage is down, the fighting is a bit more abstract and staged. That was my brief impression anyway!

So what would you define as a 'kill'?

mrsiCkstar
05-23-2007, 07:41 AM
online, I would say if the other side loses a plane in result of you firing on it, then it's a kill... disabling a plane from the fight and forcing it to go home is good, but not a kill in my opinion since it can be fixed and sent back to fight.

and if you're locked in intense combat and the other guy gets disorientated and crashes but you didn't hit him... cool but not a kill.

mynameisroland
05-23-2007, 07:41 AM
For me it is major structural failure like wing loss, aircraft exloding in mid air, crash in to the ground and exploding or pilot bailing. Even a fire doesnt constitute a kill for me until I see pilot bail or plane crash.

Divine-Wind
05-23-2007, 08:05 AM
If I'm 99.9% certain there is no way he's going anywhere but down (I.e., missing wing/fueselage, burning in important places, or spontaneous combustion), then I count it a kill.

But there are some times when I just absolutely want to make sure he goes down. (I.e., when it's one of those gosh darned smart-alec guys http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif)

MEGILE
05-23-2007, 08:05 AM
When you kill a guy, shoot his parachute, and insult him on Team Speak.

That my friend is a kill

Bremspropeller
05-23-2007, 08:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">When I've visited low-switch servers (no-cockpit view, externals, etc), the atmosphere is much more 'sporting' and chivalrous. No vulching, rules against attacking people when their undercarriage is down, the fighting is a bit more abstract and staged. That was my brief impression anyway! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LoL, just because someone has his gear down doesn't mean he is not a target anymore.
It's like playing CS where you're getting banned because of sniping some dweeb away.

When a team fails to set a CAP above their field...well, their fault, not mine.


A kill is a kill, meaning "destroyed", not that "damaged" or "propable" BS.

Whirlin_merlin
05-23-2007, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
When you kill a guy, shoot his parachute, and insult him on Team Speak.

That my friend is a kill </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot: Go to his home, call his kids ugly, slap is wife, rodger his dog and take a dump in his fish tank.

DooDaH2007
05-23-2007, 08:15 AM
I fly on warclouds (almost full switch) and don't really go for a kill since they just respawn anyway...

The moment I have damaged an aircraft and he is obviously no longer a thread and fleeing for home, I let him go...
The longer it takes him to hit respawn, the less time he has to damage me or my teammates...

mynameisroland
05-23-2007, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
When you kill a guy, shoot his parachute, and insult him on Team Speak.

That my friend is a kill </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot: Go to his home, call his kids ugly, slap is wife, rodger his dog and take a dump in his fish tank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and you forgot: Steal his Hurricane IIC out of the garage, ar1sehole it and leave it burnt out in a field somewhere near Slough.

Deadmeat313
05-23-2007, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
When you kill a guy, shoot his parachute, and insult him on Team Speak.

That my friend is a kill </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot: Go to his home, call his kids ugly, slap is wife, rodger his dog and take a dump in his fish tank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That means I got, er, nine kills this week. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

T.

Whirlin_merlin
05-23-2007, 08:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
When you kill a guy, shoot his parachute, and insult him on Team Speak.

That my friend is a kill </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot: Go to his home, call his kids ugly, slap is wife, rodger his dog and take a dump in his fish tank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and you forgot: Steal his Hurricane IIC out of the garage, ar1sehole it and leave it burnt out in a field somewhere near Slough. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I say messing with another man's Hurri is taking it too far old chap.

mbfRoy
05-23-2007, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
When you kill a guy, shoot his parachute, and insult him on Team Speak.

That my friend is a kill </div></BLOCKQUOTE>http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Divine-Wind
05-23-2007, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mynameisroland:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Whirlin_merlin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
When you kill a guy, shoot his parachute, and insult him on Team Speak.

That my friend is a kill </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot: Go to his home, call his kids ugly, slap is wife, rodger his dog and take a dump in his fish tank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and you forgot: Steal his Hurricane IIC out of the garage, ar1sehole it and leave it burnt out in a field somewhere near Slough. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I say messing with another man's Hurri is taking it too far old chap. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Aye. Now a Spitfire, that's a different matter.

rnzoli
05-23-2007, 09:00 AM
Oh you noobs, it's just a lame "virtual" kill BS all the time.... unless your opponent throws his stick into his monitor, curses you like he!! and gets a very real heart attack in the process.

Kill is a kill ONLY when you have a dead body laying somewhere. Everything else is just pure dreaming and imagination of a true kill.

mynameisroland
05-23-2007, 09:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
Oh you noobs, it's just a lame "virtual" kill BS all the time.... unless your opponent throws his stick into his monitor, curses you like he!! and gets a very real heart attack in the process.

Kill is a kill ONLY when you have a dead body laying somewhere. Everything else is just pure dreaming and imagination of a true kill. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn! I really thought I was killing people! Better take back my Victoria Cross Whirlin, turns out those Bf 109s I destroyed in my Hurricane were just computer generated models and not actual Bf s

WOLFMondo
05-23-2007, 09:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:


When a team fails to set a CAP above their field...well, their fault, not mine.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. If your in a plane on the opposite side, no matter what your doing your fair game. The only exception is if your 100% definately incapable of fighting again i.e. minus a wing and going down.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Philipscdrw:

When I've visited low-switch servers (no-cockpit view, externals, etc), the atmosphere is much more 'sporting' and chivalrous. No vulching, rules against attacking people when their undercarriage is down, the fighting is a bit more abstract and staged. That was my brief impression anyway!
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally disagree. Chivarly isn't limited to one type of server or another. On most servers you'll see a smoking plane, minus a wing and an empty cockput being chased by 10 point *****s while some poor guy 1000m away is in dire need of assistance from those 10 guys. Those sights in my experiance are way more common on WW server or those that allow F6 aces and external view.

Whirlin_merlin
05-23-2007, 09:15 AM
What you mean I wasted my time bombing those ambulances?

MEGILE
05-23-2007, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:

Kill is a kill ONLY when you have a dead body laying somewhere. Everything else is just pure dreaming and imagination of a true kill. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Put down the joystick and step away from the game.

Daiichidoku
05-23-2007, 09:31 AM
kills dont matter anyhow

job#1 is keep yoruself safe
job#2 is protect yoru wings/assigned charges

a good fighter pilot adheres to these rules, with a lil flexiblilty, jsut enough aggresiveness to go "balls out" at selected times..one wont get anywhere stayign safe ALL the time

BrotherVoodoo
05-23-2007, 09:42 AM
What the game thinks is a kill is rediculous at times. This is a weak spot of the game IMO. The scoring system does not lend itself well to team play as it stands. I hope they fix this in BoB. For instance... There is a plane in flames on it's way down that you lit up, someone comes along pumps a couple of useless pot shots in the flaming plane and they will get the kill even though you put 98% f the damage on the enemy. No wonder there are so many kill stealers online, they are basically encouraged to do so by the scoring system.

willyvic
05-23-2007, 09:53 AM
BV, that used to bother me way back when. Now it's all part of the game. My wingy and I now are of the mind set that our job is to "slap" them down. If they get pounced by the bottom feeders, oh well. It's all about taking the the opponent out of the fight and denying him his preferred flying style.

WV

rnzoli
05-23-2007, 12:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
What the game thinks is a kill is rediculous at times. This is a weak spot of the game IMO. The scoring system does not lend itself well to team play as it stands. I hope they fix this in BoB. For instance... There is a plane in flames on it's way down that you lit up, someone comes along pumps a couple of useless pot shots in the flaming plane and they will get the kill even though you put 98% f the damage on the enemy. No wonder there are so many kill stealers online, they are basically encouraged to do so by the scoring system. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree, but you don't have to wait for a fix until BoB. The co-op servers use team point sharing stats (everything is added up and shared between the players flying on the same side after each mission), and kill stealing is practically non-existent, making the servers quite a relaxed environment to fly in. The only kill-stealers are the AI pilots of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif