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MB_Avro_UK
12-10-2005, 06:13 PM
Hi all,

When diving from medium altitude to low altitude what would have been the discomfort or pain to pilots/crew regarding ear discomfort??

Obviously, this cannot be incorporated into Il2 as a feature.

Any thoughts?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

MB_Avro_UK
12-10-2005, 06:13 PM
Hi all,

When diving from medium altitude to low altitude what would have been the discomfort or pain to pilots/crew regarding ear discomfort??

Obviously, this cannot be incorporated into Il2 as a feature.

Any thoughts?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

Chuck_Older
12-10-2005, 07:04 PM
The same I have when I'm in a commercial jet, just a lot faster?

danjama
12-10-2005, 09:18 PM
If you read accounts, nothing is said about pain in ears so...

Bearcat has a clip up about a pilot diving for a long time past 500mph trying to catch a Spit in his 109, the author doesnt mention anything about his ears

Waldo.Pepper
12-10-2005, 09:19 PM
I posted something about this already..

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m...061008953#4061008953 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/4061008953/r/4061008953#4061008953)

Kuna15
12-10-2005, 09:25 PM
Red out, ear problems, stomach in neck... some of the problems related with high speed dive.
Many of currently possible moves in FB wouldn't be possible if that has been modelled http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

archie3101
12-10-2005, 10:35 PM
the only ear pain i get during a dive in il2 is when the wife is behind me saying " ARE YOU FLYING THAT GAME AGAIN" nag nag nag blah blah blah.


there is no need to model this, i will be happy to ship my wife to your location.


arch

Heliopause
12-11-2005, 04:32 AM
Nothing new...aviators in WW1 already experienced ear problems....

Pig_Mac
12-11-2005, 05:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">there is no need to model this, i will be happy to ship my wife to your location. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


will i have to pay for the packaging?

han freak solo
12-11-2005, 08:57 AM
Ear problems would be a potential wash-out for wanna-be pilots.

Myself for example. I can't equalize the pressure in my head with the pressure outside of my head very well. Even with the proven techniques some people have sinus/head problems that can't be overcome.

So, I can't dive under water very deeply without pain. Same thing in a non-pressurized plane. I get tremendous headaches when coming to sea level after being above only 10,000 ft. If I were to be in a plane that dove 20,000 ft, my head would feel like exploding!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Slickun
12-11-2005, 09:02 AM
Any pilot or scuba diver gets to the point where they can control their ear equalization easily.

fraidycat1
12-11-2005, 11:04 AM
I remember reading some where that pilots used to chew gum ( blacjack or beamans, i think ) to equalize the pressure on theyre ears.

sukebeboy
12-11-2005, 08:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna15:
Red out, ear problems, stomach in neck... some of the problems related with high speed dive.
Many of currently possible moves in FB wouldn't be possible if that has been modelled http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just need to modify the config.ini file
set highspew=1 (or 3 if you have one of those fancy nVidia cards)

triggerhappyfin
12-12-2005, 04:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by archie3101:
the only ear pain i get during a dive in il2 is when the wife is behind me saying " ARE YOU FLYING THAT GAME AGAIN" nag nag nag blah blah blah.


there is no need to model this, i will be happy to ship my wife to your location.


arch </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here with the exeption she whacks me in the back of my head with a fryin pan at the same time too...

Could we join in our efforts to send them away? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Sturm_Williger
12-12-2005, 05:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Slickun:
Any pilot or scuba diver gets to the point where they can control their ear equalization easily. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No necessarily true - I have fairly permanent hayfever and when I went diving it was a problem - but I could do it, it just took me longer than the other divers ( and probably a helluva lot more pressure ).

Commercial jets are worse, I had an eardrum burst on me when descending once as I just can't equalise fast enough. Antihistamines for landing definitely ( oddly, they never give any trouble when going up )

Unknown-Pilot
12-12-2005, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna15:
Red out, ear problems, stomach in neck... some of the problems related with high speed dive.
Many of currently possible moves in FB wouldn't be possible if that has been modelled http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Among other things as well. But that's because this game is specifically engineered with a TnB bias.

Slickun
12-12-2005, 11:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sturm_Williger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Slickun:
Any pilot or scuba diver gets to the point where they can control their ear equalization easily. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No necessarily true - I have fairly permanent hayfever and when I went diving it was a problem - but I could do it, it just took me longer than the other divers ( and probably a helluva lot more pressure ).

Commercial jets are worse, I had an eardrum burst on me when descending once as I just can't equalise fast enough. Antihistamines for landing definitely ( oddly, they never give any trouble when going up ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been an aircrew and diver. I can sit here and make my ears "pop" just by, well, doing something back in the throat.

When I had a cold or sniffles it was much tougher.

Chewing gum helps, and so does nasal spray.

TC_Stele
12-12-2005, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by archie3101:
the only ear pain i get during a dive in il2 is when the wife is behind me saying " ARE YOU FLYING THAT GAME AGAIN" nag nag nag blah blah blah.


there is no need to model this, i will be happy to ship my wife to your location.


arch </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have noticed that family ALWAYS interfere with my flying right at the pivotal moment of combat or bomb runs.....always....

Ankanor
12-12-2005, 12:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Slickun:
I can sit here and make my ears "pop" just by, well, doing something back in the throat.

When I had a cold or sniffles it was much tougher.

Chewing gum helps, and so does nasal spray. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can do that too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But it's a thing an illness left me with. It left also lower hearing in both ears, now i'm an "average hearing person", I used to be able to hear much more clearly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif That and the nose problems didn't allow me to go to flightschool, which might be a good thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WholeHawg
12-12-2005, 01:11 PM
You can equalize your ears by moving your jaw or yawning so its not really much of a problem. I have done bounce dives (SCUBA) where I shoot down to 150+ feet to set a line and pop back up. and I can keep my ears equalized the whole way down.

The pressure differential is about the same going from 0 to 33 feet under water as it would be going from outer space to the ground. (1 atmosphere)

Bremspropeller
12-12-2005, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Slickun:
Been an aircrew and diver. I can sit here and make my ears "pop" just by, well, doing something back in the throat.

When I had a cold or sniffles it was much tougher.

Chewing gum helps, and so does nasal spray. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dito http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


But descending from ~20kft in about two minutes is something different than a 20min descent from a cabin-pressure alt. of ~8kft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif