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nicolas10
01-17-2004, 05:31 PM
Hello, my name is Nicolas and I am impatiently waiting for the Ta 152.

Thank you for your support, group.

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

nicolas10
01-17-2004, 05:31 PM
Hello, my name is Nicolas and I am impatiently waiting for the Ta 152.

Thank you for your support, group.

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

VW-IceFire
01-17-2004, 05:59 PM
You'll be happy to know that another Ta-152 (the C model) may also be available at a later date from one of the communities 3D modelers Harti.

- IceFire
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nicolas10
01-17-2004, 06:12 PM
Oh boy that'd be awesome! I didn't know it. That's what I get for not visiting so often anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

Jaws2002
01-17-2004, 06:26 PM
Nicolas if we get the 152 C we won't need the D12. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

robban75
01-17-2004, 07:05 PM
Awh, come on, there's always room for another Fw 190D!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and yes, I'm a Ta 152 addict! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Ah, it's finally out in the open.

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TX-Zen
01-17-2004, 08:58 PM
Thanks for sharing with the group gentlemen,

My name is TX-Zen and I have realized that I am an addict.



I'm so addicted to this mystery plane that I have created a new squad called I./JG301.

Not sure what I'm going to do with it, but as far as my knowledge goes JG301 was the only squadron that flew the TA152 in combat. I found a few websites but nothing of great detail, any links would be appreciated. While I am not one for truly historical squadrons, maybe the winds of change are upon me...heck I even really enjoy the complete lockdown world of the Blazing Magnums servers. ALOT hehe

S~ to my fellow addicts, may Buddha/God/Grand Creator have mercy on us all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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FW190fan
01-17-2004, 09:22 PM
Umm...did someone say Ta-152"C"????

465mph, Jumo 213 geared for low-med alt. fights, 4 20mm and a 30mm MK108 grenade launcher in the nose.

That's right, 110mm of nasty cannon love ready to reach out and touch someone and faster than the D-9.

But, hey man - I'm no addict. I can quit the Focke-Wulf thing anytime I want to.

/me contimplates leaving the FW/===> http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Awww, screw it who am I kidding I'm hooked!

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ElfunkoI
01-17-2004, 10:23 PM
Hehe, the lethal version of the FW series? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif :O http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RedDeth
01-18-2004, 02:37 AM
well if they make that plane they better make a plane that can beat it and was actually mass produced and saw lots of combat. the p47M

www.fighterjocks.net (http://www.fighterjocks.net) home of the 11 time Champions Team AFJ. 6 Years Flying. http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_120_1065509034.jpg

tenmmike
01-18-2004, 04:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
well if they make that plane they better make a plane that can beat it and was actually mass produced and saw lots of combat. the p47M

http://www.fighterjocks.net home of the 11 time Champions Team AFJ. 6 Years Flying. http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_120_1065509034.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>..my research shows only 130 produced(p-47m) and they had MANY teething problems in cluding grounding the fleet do to engine problems of various sorts and did not return to operations untill the final day of hostilities...used 1st operationaly on 14 jan 45..but that more then the ta152c http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Fornixx
01-18-2004, 04:09 AM
Hi all, this is the first time here for me so I'm not sure what I'm expected to say. But I have been doing Ta152 for a couple of years now and my life has come to revolve around it. I have been clean for 2 weeks today and I hope you guys will help me making that 4 weeks.

S!

MiloMorai
01-18-2004, 04:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-Zen:
Thanks for sharing with the group gentlemen,

My name is TX-Zen and I have realized that I am an addict.



I'm so addicted to this mystery plane that I have created a new squad called I./JG301.

Not sure what I'm going to do with it, but as far as my knowledge goes JG301 was the only squadron that flew the TA152 in combat. I found a few websites but nothing of great detail, any links would be appreciated. While I am not one for truly historical squadrons, maybe the winds of change are upon me...heck I even really enjoy the complete lockdown world of the Blazing Magnums servers. ALOT hehe

S~ to my fellow addicts, may Buddha/God/Grand Creator have mercy on us all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You need to change your squad name to III./JG301. This is the unit that had the Ta152Hs. Thge a/c from III./JG301 were transferred to Stab JG301.

I./JG301 flew 109s in early '45 and then 190s.

Hristo_
01-18-2004, 04:45 AM
now, Ta 152C would be very interesting indeed, as Ta 152H has already been modeled in other sims

nicolas10
01-18-2004, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fornixx:
I have been clean for 2 weeks today and I hope you guys will help me making that 4 weeks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Congratulationo Fornixx, I'm sure we can all learn from your great experience!

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

Sturmtrooper
01-18-2004, 07:52 AM
The Ta-152 is the one I've been waiting for .
First came the Dora but I just had to have more .
I knew then what I must do .
Dive head first into my addiction and and confront it , maybe hitting rock bottom in the process.
I dived in but it only left me wanting more .
Oh this terrible beast on my back !
The Ta-152 will be my ruin/salvation .
Kurt Tank , I love/hate you !!!

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JG301_SCP
01-18-2004, 08:15 AM
hehe, the the TA152 is the reason why my colleagues and me have founded (virt.) Jagdgeschwader 301 "Wilde Sau" two years ago... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Check squad directory at http://www.il2sturmovik.com or http://www.jagdgeschwader301.de

She is a great plane - I look very much forward to flying her.

Mit kameradschaftlichem Gru├č,

SCP
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HarryVoyager
01-18-2004, 08:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tenmmike:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
well if they make that plane they better make a plane that can beat it and was actually mass produced and saw lots of combat. the p47M

http://www.fighterjocks.net home of the 11 time Champions Team AFJ. 6 Years Flying. http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_120_1065509034.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>..my research shows only 130 produced(p-47m) and they had MANY teething problems in cluding grounding the fleet do to engine problems of various sorts and did not return to operations untill the final day of hostilities...used 1st operationaly on 14 jan 45..but that more then the ta152c http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget the P-47N. While it used the same engine and turbocharger as the M, GE and Pratt & Whitney had worked the bugs out of it, and Republic had modified the wing, improving on both range and agility, without sacrificing much speed, and it could still do 467mph at altitude.

Harry Voyager

Addendum: The problems the -57 engine had were traced to, primarily, improper management of the supercharger controls. The retraining, and modifications were not very extensive, hence the engine was quite capable of seeing combat service late '44 and early '45. The P-47M variant, however, got dropped, as it was no longer needed in Europe, and the long ranging N model was much more needed in the Pacific. Had the airwar in Europe continued, and had the LW been able to effectively deploy some of its more advanced fighter, the P-47M would have saw greater service. As it was, 66 Ta-152's were hardly considered worth diverting resources from getting some legs on that plane.

Harry Voyager

nicolas10
01-18-2004, 08:47 AM
Heck you can bring on the P47-M I bet most in here will shoot it down repeatedly with great pleasure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

Bremspropeller
01-18-2004, 11:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
Umm...did someone say Ta-152"C"????

465mph, Jumo 213 geared for low-med alt. fights, 4 20mm and a 30mm MK108 grenade launcher in the nose.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Err...the "C" had the DB603 engine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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MiloMorai
01-18-2004, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
Umm...did someone say Ta-152"C"????

465mph, Jumo 213 geared for low-med alt. fights, 4 20mm and a 30mm MK108 grenade launcher in the nose.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Err...the "C" had the DB603 engine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So much for being a fan of Kurt Tank's a/c. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

DuxCorvan
01-18-2004, 12:52 PM
And here is one of Kurt Tank's Spanish aircraft. He made some trainers for Franco's Air Army...

Just for Tank's designs fans.

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/img/620/n237/23716.jpg
Hispano-Aviaci├┬│n HA-200D Saeta in a German show.

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TX-Zen
01-18-2004, 03:00 PM
S~ SCP,

Good to know that there are others who feel strongly about this too, salute to the Wilde Sau! I will go with Milo's suggestion of III./JG301 and hope that I don't step on your toes.

Thanks for the info Milo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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FW190fan
01-18-2004, 05:36 PM
OK, so the C had a Daimler Benz 603L instead of a Jumo 213 - shoot me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The important part is:

467mph @35,000ft. and enough firepower to shoot down about 75 P-47s.

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MiloMorai
01-18-2004, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
OK, so the C had a Daimler Benz 603L instead of a Jumo 213 - shoot me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The important part is:

467mph @35,000ft. and enough firepower to shoot down about 75 P-47s.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone is dreaming.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

A total of 1667 P-47Ns was produced by the Farmingdale plant between December 1944 and December 1945, when the Thunderbolt line finally closed down. 149 more P-47Ns were built by the Evansville factory.

It would take more than the handful of Ta152Cs to take care of than many P-47Ns.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The Ta152C-0/R11 used a DB603E motor. It was from the Ta152C-1s onwards that had the DB603L/LA engine installed.

It was 441mph was with 'boost juice'. Without the 'boost juice' it was 416mph. Both speeds at ~34,450ft. (from a Fw data sheet)

nicolas10
01-18-2004, 07:40 PM
Enculeur de mouche. Non de mouche !

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

MiloMorai
01-18-2004, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nicolas10:
Enculeur de mouche. Non de mouche !

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

pardon moi mon francais Nic, mais, quesque vous dit?

JG7_Rall
01-18-2004, 09:05 PM
vous dites* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And yes, I also am anxiously awaiting this bird! Should be one hell of a ride

MiloMorai
01-18-2004, 09:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
vous dites* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And yes, I also am anxiously awaiting this bird! Should be one hell of a ride<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am to.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Another of the great Kurt Tank's a/c to fill out the stable. Now if someone would model the German Moskito, the Ta154 &gt; heaven.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Copperhead310th
01-18-2004, 11:25 PM
oh ....great...just what we need. Another geman Uber plane. As if the LW jockies round here didn't have enough of an advantige already.

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nicolas10
01-19-2004, 12:37 AM
Learn to fly.

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

TX-Zen
01-19-2004, 01:03 AM
Stall fighting is great, very cool.


But the real art of this game is E fighting from a tiny cramped cockpit with no forward visibility and dinky little guns. Master that and then you can talk smack hehe


I don't think the TA will be any more uber than the Yak 3 or LA7...in the right hands it will own everyone, in the wrong hands it will get owned, just like the D9.

S!

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Oblt.Emann
01-19-2004, 01:14 AM
A Ta154 would be cool. With the inclusion of radar in FB, the Moskito would be an awesome nightfighter.

Abraxa
01-19-2004, 01:18 AM
As a proud member of the BBB - Butcher Bird Brotherhood - I'm "a priori" addicted to the Ta152, without having tasted it yet! (hic....)

ElfunkoI
01-19-2004, 02:06 AM
Did the P-47N climb to 20,000 ft as fast as the M? I want both.

I also want both versions of the 152. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

nicolas10
01-19-2004, 03:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nicolas10:
Enculeur de mouche. Non de mouche !

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

pardon moi mon francais Nic, mais, quesque vous dit?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here we call someone who nitpicks a lot a fly ****er... cause you have to be very very very accurate to succeed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nic

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BBB_Hyperion
01-19-2004, 03:20 AM
As most are looking forward to it.

I will post some negative performance issues to bring addicted back to other FWs .)

As most FWs have a very high Rollrate the Ta152H doesnt duo longer Wingspan. It can be considered
a problem like the non turning abiltity on the other FWs its the slow roll issue on the H1.

How the Turntime is modeled is the question how succesfull this airplane will be.

As well the slowspeed handling should give no place for errors , well thats nothing new for fw flyers .).

I guess topspeed will be modeled Planemaxdivespeed +100 that was exceeded irl by some little more km/h s but thats surely not considered.

Also little hope that the wing tanks are build like on some vvs dm models .

Regards,
Hyperion

Bremspropeller
01-19-2004, 05:59 AM
Are there any performnce datas known for the 152C which compare this bird to the late Doras ?
IMHO this bird should have slightly better turning abilities due to it's 50cm greater wingspan.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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BBB_Hyperion
01-19-2004, 06:54 AM
Have no data about C model flying attitudes but can speculate on some parts.
The rollrate should be significant better than H Model but slower than A .
The 5 cannon model surely can deliver some appointments there is no doubt. The Position is near the engine so aiming like 109 style is possible but with more concentrated firepower.
The Plane will give a nose heavy feeling cause of the additional guns and lower lift area.With no power compensation . So will handle almost like the heavy A8 with extra guns. With the extended tail section it should at least turn like a9 maybe little better. I think the c model will be a good high alt fighter aswell.But with lower operational alt then the h model.
But will close the gap between medium and high alt where the A series had its problems.

Regards,
Hyperion

nicolas10
01-19-2004, 08:32 AM
Ta 152 C equipped with DB603L had a top speed of 467 mph (Source Dietmar Harmann's Ta 152 the story of the luftwaffe's late war, high altitude fighter).

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

JG26Red
01-19-2004, 09:12 AM
I cant wait for the 152, it should be a great plane... but


DO 335 will be the real deal lol, faster at all levels, from what i read it should turn better too... 2 20mm on top of cowling and 1 mk103 30mm

MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nicolas10:
Ta 152 C equipped with DB603L had a top speed of 467 mph (Source Dietmar Harmann's Ta 152 the story of the luftwaffe's late war, high altitude fighter).
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It took you that long to find that. I thought you would have memorized the Ta152 bible by now.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ah, but Nic, those are theoretical calculated speeds. The Ta152C never had a DB603L installed as you can see in the Harmann book. Oleg has to model the Ta152C with the DB603E engine.



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JG26Red
01-19-2004, 09:25 AM
Series production orders for the Ta 152C had been placed in October 1944, the delays being a result of the Luftwaffe still continuing to support the Jumo 213 over the DB 603 for the Ta 152 as late as the autumn of 1944. The Ta 152C with the lighter DB 603 engine was otherwise identical to the Ta 152B. It was considered primarily as a Zerstorer. The MW 50 boost installation for the enhancement of low-altitude performance was standard. An Fw 190D prototype had been rebuilt and flown with a DB 603 engine in support of the Ta 152C program, and this plane took to the air for the first time in October 1944. During December 1944 and January 1945, the first Ta 152C-O service test aircraft joined the test program. The definitive production version was to be the Ta 152C-1, and it was hoped that the first examples could be rolling off the production lines in April of 1945. However, series production of the Ta 152C was only just beginning when Allied forces overran the assembly plants, so this fighter never entered service with the Luftwaffe.

The Ta 152C-1 was powered by a Daimler-Benz DB 603LA twelve-cylinder liquid cooled engine rated at 2100 hp (2300 hp with MW 50) for takeoff and 1750 hp at 29,530 feet (1900 hp at 27,560 feet with MW 50). Armed with one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon with 90 rounds, two fuselage-mounted 20-mm MG 151 cannon with 250 rpg, and two wing-mounted 20-mm MG252 cannon with 175 rpg. Maximum speed was 227 mph at sea level (356 mph with MW 50), 436 mph at 37,730 feet (460 mph at 32,810 feet with MW 50). Initial climb rate was 3050 feet per minute and service ceiling was 40,350 feet. Weights were 8849 lbs empty, 10,658 lbs normal loaded, and 11,733 pounds maximum. Wingspan was 36 feet 1 inch, length was 35 feet 6 1/2 inches, height was 11 feet 1 inch, and wing area was 290.89 square feet.

MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 09:37 AM
I'll let Nic scan and post the the W.Nr. of the Ta152Cs on pg 127.

He can also post the instability problem as seen on pg 49.



Long live the Horse Clans.

nicolas10
01-19-2004, 09:48 AM
Post whatever you want dude. I think most people here want the Ta 152 as realistic as possible, no matter what you're going to say. If it means instability, then by all means it's fine by me.

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

JG26Red
01-19-2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nicolas10:
Post whatever you want dude. I think most people here want the Ta 152 as realistic as possible, no matter what you're going to say. If it means instability, then by all means it's fine by me.

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you know the allied jocks will find anything little bad about a german plane to say its junk.. they are hoping the instability will save them when their P51 and P47s are getting overtaken by the TA alot lol... iam sure they will come up with something bad about the 335 at well, it snaked and porpised, its bad etc etc... so be it, let them snake, and have stability control issues, the main point is, they (allied) flyers know, when the TA and Do get here they will be the best 2 prop planes in game and they (allied) finally wont have a advantage in planes, mainly their UFOs they fly.... i suspect alot of DF servers will have TA and DO blocked... lol

MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 09:56 AM
My poor Nic.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I don't see you posting any of the negatives or the true facts. Nope, only the glory stats,http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif that is called bias.

You should really light up some.



Long live the Horse Clans.

MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 10:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:

you know the allied jocks will find anything little bad about a german plane to say its junk.. they are hoping the instability will save them when their P51 and P47s are getting overtaken by the TA alot lol... iam sure they will come up with something bad about the 335 at well, it snaked and porpised, its bad etc etc...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My dear chap, what does the cockpit in a P-51 or P-47, or any of the Russkie stuff, look like. Never been in one, not even a Messysh!t's cockpit, only Kurt Tank's a/c.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Afaik, the only problem with the Do335 was that the rear engine tended to overheat.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



Long live the Horse Clans.

nicolas10
01-19-2004, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
My poor Nic.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I don't see you posting any of the negatives or the true facts. Nope, only the _glory_ stats,http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif that is called _bias_.

You should really light up some.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone asked for the perfs. I posted the perf I had of what was supposed to be the production aircraft, since all you always manage to do is post the lowest speed you can when it's about a german plane.

I didn't mention any other characteristic of the plane except when asked, barely that I was waiting for it impatiently.

Nic

The first official D12 whiner!

MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 10:11 AM
Ah, so Nic can only tell some of the 'story" but not all of the "story". If you posted the whole "story", I would not have to post the rest of the "story".http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Four columns(right) over from the DB603L engined Ta152C-0 specs is that data for the DB603E engined Ta152C-0, pg137.

Better expand you data base Nic.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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nicolas10
01-19-2004, 10:26 AM
Yeah you know what. Talk to yourself.

The first official D12 whiner!

Bremspropeller
01-19-2004, 10:32 AM
Have some peace and everything#s gonna be alright http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think the 152C was supposed to close the gap between the Doras and the Ta152H.
Being rather the "high alt evolution", the H is maybe less supposed to be the FINAL 190 variant, but so might be the C http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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JG26Red
01-19-2004, 10:49 AM
Just read stuff about Add-on, doesnt look like the Do-335 will be avail http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif... have to live with the lovely FW cockpit

robban75
01-19-2004, 11:13 AM
Stability problems similar to those on the Ta 152H led to reevaluation of the Ta 152C-1 on 9 March 1945. The tank arrangement was revised, as a result of which left the inner and middle wingtanks with a combined capacity 150 liters were switched to MW50 and the 140-liter MW50 tank located behind bulkhead 8 was dropped. I believe the same modification was done for the TA 152H.

About the engine issue, the book doesn't mention anything about the ta 152C not being fitted with the DB 603 LA engine. It says,

"The DB 603 LA engine planned for the production aircraft was not avaliable for installation in prototypes for the Ta 152C-1 series at first."
There's also a picture in the book of a blown up Ta 152C prototype with the DB 603 LA engine fitted. AFAIK the 603 LA engine was as powerful as the 603 L. And since no production Ta 152C's with the DB 603 E were finished before the wars end, I guess Oleg has to model the C with the DB 603 LA engine.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

[This message was edited by robban75 on Mon January 19 2004 at 10:23 AM.]

noshens
01-19-2004, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
Just read stuff about Add-on, doesnt look like the Do-335 will be avail http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif... have to live with the lovely FW cockpit<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats not true:
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/yay111-ta152.jpg

new Ta cockpit

robban75
01-19-2004, 11:24 AM
Well, the bar is still there, and the cowling is blocking part of the gunsight aswell.

http://members.chello.se/unni/Dora-9-3.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 11:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
About the engine issue, the book doesn't mention anything about the ta 152C not being fitted with the DB 603 LA engine. It says,

"The DB 603 LA engine planned for the production aircraft was not avaliable for installation in prototypes for the Ta 152C-1 series at first."
There's also a picture in the book of a blown up Ta 152C prototype with the DB 603 LA engine fitted.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know, but that just shows how well Nic knows his Ta152 bible.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I thought I would let Nic feel good by correcting me.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The only question on the photo is, what a/c, as none of the 28 V a/c had the DB603L installed. Countering this, the larger supercharger impellor case seems to indicate an L engine.(comparing engine drawing on pg 61 and photo on pg 42 to the a/c pic and the photo on pg 41)



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noshens
01-19-2004, 02:47 PM
Gunsight is much higher and the bar doesn't block glass of gunsight.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
Well, the bar is still there, and the cowling is blocking part of the gunsight aswell.

http://members.chello.se/unni/Dora-9-3.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FW190fan
01-19-2004, 03:23 PM
I'm willing to wait for the Do-335.

I think it may have gotten pushed back a bit so the Spitfires could be added, which I think was a good decision. This sim has desperately needed Spitfires for some time IMO. Now more west front scenarios can be modelled.

But I'm really, really looking forward to the Do-335. Super fast, armed to the teeth, an internal weapons bay and phenominal range WITHOUT drop tanks.

/Me waits for Milo to nit-pick something in my post/ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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JG26Red
01-19-2004, 03:24 PM
lol FW.... ya, lets see what mr. know it all milo has to say lol

MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
lol FW.... ya, lets see what mr. know it all milo has to say lol<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Red, for such a 'German' worshipper, you can't even get the rate of fire correct for the MK103s and MK108s....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And the Fw fanhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif who does not know some of the basic facts about Kurt Tank's a/c, like what engines were used in what a/c, LOL some Fw swooner that is.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Keep with the gum flappin, laddies. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif



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JG26Red
01-19-2004, 04:55 PM
LOL, milo, your so cool...


NOT.. buzz off...

Gibbage1
01-20-2004, 12:45 AM
What is the TA-152H supposed too do at sea level? What's its top speed down low? Like were everyone fights? The Ta-152 looks like a glider with a BIG ENGINE.

Gib

necrobaron
01-20-2004, 01:33 AM
The 152 is nice,but I really can't wait for the Pfeil. I've been a fan of that brute-of-a- plane for quite a while now. Oh, I play on both sides of the fence so a P-47N would be nice too!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

robban75
01-20-2004, 08:30 AM
According to Dietmar's book on the Longnosed D's, the Ta 152 will reach 598km/h at low altitudes.

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Bremspropeller
01-20-2004, 09:10 AM
Humm...i see another advantage of the Ta152H:

switch your engine off and take the next termals availiable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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