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jugent
12-10-2005, 02:48 AM
Test the Me-163, it curves very good without stalling or black out, god excellent visibility, the guns are good.
Why doesnt this work in other german planes, the 262 blacks out for 10:secs under the same circumstances.
The 163 flyes as smooth as an allied fighter. This is a rare bird in UBI-softs UFO-collection. Make sure you are out of fuel before you land othervise you will be a firecracker.

jugent
12-10-2005, 02:48 AM
Test the Me-163, it curves very good without stalling or black out, god excellent visibility, the guns are good.
Why doesnt this work in other german planes, the 262 blacks out for 10:secs under the same circumstances.
The 163 flyes as smooth as an allied fighter. This is a rare bird in UBI-softs UFO-collection. Make sure you are out of fuel before you land othervise you will be a firecracker.

Jetbuff
12-10-2005, 03:01 AM
WOW, two different planes fly completely differently. Yeah it's a VVS conspiracy for sure! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

SeaNorris
12-10-2005, 03:21 AM
Be sure for a head check!

Me-163 = Rocket plane
Me-262 = Jet fighter

You think they would be different, no?

robban75
12-10-2005, 04:47 AM
http://www.ilcf.org/Images/1-Man_Fishing-1.jpg

Dunkelgrun
12-10-2005, 05:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
Test the Me-163, it curves very good without stalling or black out, god excellent visibility, the guns are good.
Why doesnt this work in other german planes, the 262 blacks out for 10:secs under the same circumstances.
The 163 flyes as smooth as an allied fighter. This is a rare bird in UBI-softs UFO-collection. Make sure you are out of fuel before you land othervise you will be a firecracker. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where have you been? The Me163 is known to be pretty much neutered in this game since patch 4.01. The acceleration and climb rate are well porked.
You should have flown it before: you could fly to the moon in it! The handling was spot on but it had way too much fuel and would easily reach heights of 100,000ft.
Unfortunately the solution was to completely screw up it's FM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif . No problem blacking out before 4.01.
And if you are exploding on landing then you are coming in too fast - it's as simple as that. Oleg never modelled a difference between fuelled and empty planes; they'll all explode if you get it wrong.

Btw, IRL the guns in the Komet were very effective, (although the ammo was very limited), the real Komet was a superb glider with excellent handling characteristics and it was very hard to induce a bad stall. I don't know what you were expecting but it's definitely not a UFO, although I'm sure some of the Allied bomber crews might have thought so. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers!

LStarosta
12-10-2005, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
Test the Me-163, it curves very good without stalling or black out, god excellent visibility, the guns are good.
Why doesnt this work in other german planes, the 262 blacks out for 10:secs under the same circumstances.
The 163 flyes as smooth as an allied fighter. This is a rare bird in UBI-softs UFO-collection. Make sure you are out of fuel before you land othervise you will be a firecracker. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh shut up... All you do is whine and complain about your stupid Luftwaffles.

http://www.american-food.com/images/auntjemimapancakemix.JPG
Have some Aunt Jemima.

Kocur_
12-10-2005, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Btw, IRL he guns in the Komet were very effective </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ehm... And how many kills by Komet...?

Abbuzze
12-10-2005, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kocur_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Btw, IRL he guns in the Komet were very effective </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ehm... And how many kills by Komet...? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He is referring to the guns of the Komet, not the plane as a weaponsystem.

And I would call 2xMK108 effective http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Kocur_
12-10-2005, 08:31 AM
Oh, I would too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif pam,pam,pam,pam BOOOOM!
Neverheless any guns must be brought relatively close to the enemy and that didnt happen a lot in Komet's case http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
12-10-2005, 09:06 AM
The Komet is hard to stall because it has slotted leading edges.

WarWolfe_1
12-10-2005, 09:22 AM
troll

Deedsundone
12-10-2005, 11:43 AM
I want to stand in the eye of a storm,I want to be strucked by lightning....Darn great song by Covenant...

Dunkelgrun
12-10-2005, 12:11 PM
Strucked?

jugent
12-11-2005, 01:10 PM
So the physics of gravity inflicts different to human body if you are inside a jet-driven than it does on a rocketplane?

Me-163 = Rocket plane
Me-262 = Jet fighter

You think they would be different, no?
I was talking about blackouts, profile of wings, guns, visibility.

Wasnt it hydrogen-superoxide (H2O2) in the Comet? I thought that it was this that exploded when I landed.

My best and wellspoken replier, what is a luftwaffler?
Perhaps a class in the nobel art of rhetoric should raise the standard of arguments?

Dunkelgrun
12-11-2005, 02:03 PM
Hydrogen peroxide will not explode on its own. Accidental explosions in the Komet were caused when fuel pipes and tanks fractured due to the rough landings and remnants of the fuel, or even fumes, became mixed. The Komet had a fuel venting valve to try and lessen this risk.

Several pilots were killed by the H202 though, as it dissolves organic matter on contact. The pilots would wear special flying suits but even then the peroxide would get through the seams.

As I said earlier, exploding the Komet on landing in the game has nothing to do with the amount of fuel on board. A glider behaves in exactly the same way and will go up in a fireball.

The Walter Rocket Engines (http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/design/fuels.htm):

The basis for almost all Walter rocket motors is hydrogen peroxide (T-Stoff). With the chemical formula of (H2O2) it is an oxygen rich liquid which, upon decomposition, gives out heat at a rate equivalent to gunpowder. T-Stoff is volatile and will naturally decompose, but the Walter Werke carried out a large amount of work to establish the correct dilutions and proportions to make the substance powerful enough for a motor, stable enough to store and capable of being controlled during decomposition. T-Stoff was generally an 80% concentrated form, diluted with water, 20% by weight. When brought into contact with a catalyst, the peroxide decomposes into a mixture of superheated steam and oxygen, at around 500 degrees centigrade. Fed directly to an expansion venturi, thrust will result. This basic process was used as the principle of Walter's so-called "Cold" Motors.

To increase the efficiency of the motor, a fuel was injected into the mixture, utilising the oxygen released during decomposition to promote combustion. The liquid fuel(C-Stoff) used was methyl alcohol, mixed with an organic compound called hydrazine hydrate. This latter was used to ensure the smooth, continuous combustion of the fuel. The theoretical heat of this reaction would raise the temperature at the combustion chamber to over 1850 degrees, so the actual C-Stoff fuel used, was a dilution with water. This kept the combustion chamber to a manageable 1750 degrees. The difference in temperatures between this and the plain decomposition engine led to the fuelled motor being referred to as the "Hot" motor.


Cheers!

ploughman
12-11-2005, 02:12 PM
Interestingly Hydrogen Peroxide has a history of annihalating weapons systems. Occassionally used as a fuel in torpedos it was responsible for the loss of a RN submarine in the early 1950s and, most recently, was suspect number one in the loss of the Russian Oscar class sub Kursk. If leaking Hydrogen Peroxide comes into contact with brass, that favoured alloy of engineers, the ensuing chemical reaction cause a given volume of H2O2 to increase by several thousand times.

p1ngu666
12-11-2005, 02:48 PM
the mk108 is a close range weapon, and the me163 arrives with such speed, that p1ss poor ballistics make it very hard to hit anything.

oh and it has no torque, so is nice to fly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MC202zipper
12-14-2005, 07:51 PM
TOP SITE, Dunkelgrun!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

That link for the Me163 motor is FAN..TAS..TIC!

TY!

S!
MC202zipper