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FatBoyHK
02-08-2005, 09:52 AM
I wanna know whether LCD TV is good for games or not, especailly for IL2 of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif anyone has first-hand experience?

FatBoyHK
02-08-2005, 09:52 AM
I wanna know whether LCD TV is good for games or not, especailly for IL2 of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif anyone has first-hand experience?

BenvZijl
02-08-2005, 09:55 AM
the best for games is still good old CRT

WUAF_Toad
02-08-2005, 11:00 AM
It's great for games including IL2.

FatBoyHK
02-08-2005, 07:59 PM
is the image quality OK? Any difficulty spotting the "dot" ?

FatBoyHK
02-09-2005, 08:07 AM
my friend just bought a ViewSonic 30 inch LCD TV, for just USD $1280.... with a free DVD player!!! So I will be able to test it by myself next week.

But I have a big question, the price difference between different brand of LCD TV is HUGE.... for example, Sharp and Panasonic are 4 times more expensive.... but there isn't any difference in term of image quality, as least I can't spot any....

but for games like IL2, image quaility requirement is generally higher... (for "dot" spotting).... so how a "cheap" LCD TV will do in IL2?? really need some advice... and some test as well

ednavar
02-09-2005, 10:12 AM
It depends on its resolution and if it has a dvi connector - it is just a normal lcd panel. And can be great yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=8501033742

FatBoyHK
02-09-2005, 10:55 AM
did a little reading in this thread..... OK, so the 16:9 isn'tworking properly.... but, if my 16:9 monitor is a really big one, let's say a 30" LCD TV, I can get away with it by using a wide view on a 16:9 monitor, as if it is the normal view.... The object is big enough anyway.... the only drawback is, I can't zoom out anymore...

it would works for me, I rarely use wide view.

womenfly
02-09-2005, 01:11 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif<span class="ev_code_PINK">Guy's ...... always wanting their things BIGGER!</span>

paraglide13
02-09-2005, 01:32 PM
Hi FatBoyHK ,

My expirience with Il2/FB/AEP on LCD monitor is good.Since september 2004 I am using PHILIPS 17" WITH 12 ms response time, and having no problems with "ghosts" in any game I'm playing ( also with DVD and DivX reproduction ).Color setting is also nice so I'm very satisfied, picture is razor sharp from edge to edge ( I'm using maximal resolution for IL2), and You can see fine details.
Probably best CRT monitors surpase LCD's in some field ( surely with their price - mine costed some 450 euros, an I could get two CRT 17" inchers for that money ) but LCD's are better and better every day ( I've read in one PC magazine that they are offerin some of new models with response time bellow 10 ms.Go out in store and try as I did and You'll see if You like it.

Regards,

Paraglide13

Old_Canuck
02-09-2005, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by womenfly:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif<span class="ev_code_PINK">Guy's ...... always wanting their things BIGGER!</span> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh heh ... 55" Sony LCD here with a data cable in the back that looks suspiciously like a monitor cord attachment. My wife wanted it bigger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif When our old TV died she grabbed me by both lapels and hissed that she wanted a replacement NOW. Anyway she doesn't know yet that the manual (yep some men read manuals too) the manual said that it can be used as a monitor. Will have to try it someday with PF.

FatboyHK, will try to remember to post a screenshot when we finally get around to testing it.

noshens
02-09-2005, 03:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BenvZijl:
the best for games is still good old CRT <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WELCOME TO 1999!

FatBoyHK
02-10-2005, 09:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
did a little reading in this thread..... OK, so the 16:9 isn'tworking properly.... but, if my 16:9 monitor is a really big one, let's say a 30" LCD TV, I can get away with it by using a wide view on a 16:9 monitor, as if it is the normal view.... The object is big enough anyway.... the only drawback is, I can't zoom out anymore...

it would works for me, I rarely use wide view. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

just messed around with different FOV settings.... with such a big range of FOVs to choose from, I think i should be able to find a suitable setting for my (planned... hehe) 30" LCD TV.

Franzen
02-10-2005, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by womenfly:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif<span class="ev_code_PINK">Guy's ...... always wanting their things BIGGER!</span> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ha ha ha, good one, but some like extreme. I've often thought about whether it was possible to play IL-2 at the drive-in. For best effect you sit in a Lada(interior closely resembles WW2 cockpits) and fly the Russian planes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz Franzen

FatBoyHK
02-10-2005, 10:31 PM
I have played games (although it is a PS2 soccer game only) on a projector in a lecture theatre... the screen is well over 100 inches.... it was a blast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Franzen
02-10-2005, 10:41 PM
Fatboy, are you really in HK? Do you know Serpentblade and XPC from JG/54? They both live in HK also. If you wanna meet more pilots in HK just pm me and I'll introduce you.

Fritz Franzen

FatBoyHK
02-10-2005, 11:17 PM
Yes I am in HK... and yes I wanna meet more pilot from HK... will PM you tonight

FatBoyHK
02-14-2005, 10:03 AM
How about the Apple Cinema Display? http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html

Not exactly a LCD TV, but I mentioned LCD TV at the start of this thread just because it is bigger (It is rare for a LCD Monitor with a 30 inches panel), and because it is cheaper inch by inch....

Owlsphone
02-14-2005, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
How about the Apple Cinema Display? http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html

Not exactly a LCD TV, but I mentioned LCD TV at the start of this thread just because it is bigger (It is rare for a LCD Monitor with a 30 inches panel), and because it is cheaper inch by inch.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just was in a Micro Center yesterday and got to see that 30 incher in action for some games and movies. Unbelieveable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I now know that if I had 3 grand to blow, that's what I would blow it on. The display is gi-norma-hugic and crystal clear. I always envied mac users because of their displays but not anymore...these can be connected to PCs. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

FatBoyHK
02-14-2005, 11:52 AM
That 30 inch need a dual-DVI output display card.... my 6800GT didn't support it, and no way I will upgrade it soon.... more importantly, $3000 is way out of budget for me ..... may be I should go for 23 inch?

So I think I have short-listed two choices:

1. Sharp Aquos 26 inch LCD-TV
2. Apple Cinema Display 23" inch

(1) is a little more expensive but come with bigger panel, speaker (but I would go for a standalone 5.1 system anyway), and more input option (important because I play console game also)

(2) has much higher resolution (should be important for game like IL2.... but at that high res I am afriad I can't spot any dot!!!)

anyone can give me some advice?

Capt_Pepper
02-14-2005, 03:39 PM
I was in the same situation as you are now about a year ago asking the exact same questions. Here's what I learned.

While quality and specs are important, it all comes down to personal preference. As others have posted in this thread, some prefer CRT while others prefer LCD'S, TFT's, plasma, etc. It's very easy to get caught up in the techno babble for each one of them, but none of that will matter if it won't do what you want it to do.....period.

If this helps, this is what I did and you might want to consider doing the same:
Determine your budget...and stick to it.
Once you know the amount you're willing to spend, shop around and narrow the selection down to three choices. Don't be afraid to look at last year's models as well....they're usually half the money and just as good...perhaps they'll have a feature or two less, which you will probably never use anyway.

Then go physically look at each one of them as you have been doing. I'll even go one step further....take your game disc and joystick with you. It's the only way you're going to get the answers you want. When I did this, most retailers were more than happy to let me, especially if you're spending fairly big money which it sounds like you are.

Once you've determined the model you want, go on-line to determine market value then price compare with each retailer that carries it...e-tailers included. You're really big advantage is that you are in HK, which is where almost every possible video device on the planet is available in abundance!

Anyway, this worked well for me and I hope it helps.

MaxMhz
02-14-2005, 04:12 PM
16:9 not working?

conf.ini :

[window]
width=1280
height=712
ColourBits=32
DepthBits=24
StencilBits=8
ChangeScreenRes=0
FullScreen=0
DrawIfNotFocused=0
EnableResize=1
EnableClose=1
SaveAspect=0

I have my desktop set to 1280x960 - the above settings run IL2 in widescreen mode on it in a window http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - it can be done full screen too on a wide screen TV http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif or any non-standard dimension CRT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FatBoyHK
02-15-2005, 05:32 AM
so why do you run it in window mode??

also, if I need to run it in full-screen, I set fullscreen=1 ?

TigerStolly
02-15-2005, 03:47 PM
I've got a 20" Dell panel with a 1680+1050 resolution, can i tweak this conf.ini to run that at full screen ?

slingsby
02-15-2005, 05:55 PM
'Course if you connect it to a normal tv you get free anti-aliasing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FatBoyHK
02-16-2005, 09:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slingsby:
'Course if you connect it to a normal tv you get free anti-aliasing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

??? I don't get it ...

GvSAP_Wingnut
02-16-2005, 10:44 AM
50" Panasonic RP LCD TV. Used RGB input (with 9800 can also hook up DVI).

Looks great, but don't play it on this - really need a simpit or something. Bit of screen-door effect if too close; with a TV this size, optimal viewing distance is about 10-12 feet.

http://www.2gvsap.org/wingnut/il2tv.jpg

FatBoyHK
02-16-2005, 11:14 AM
I want to compare the difference between a "better" LCD TV (eg. Sharp) and a "cheaper" one (eg Viewsonic).... for the same size (eg, 30 inch) The former is about 3x more expensive than the latter....

I was about to press the trigger on the Viewsonic, but I was worrying about how the cheaper LCD TV perform when handling PC output, so I held on..... At the same time I through it should have no problem handling TV, and game console output....

Last night I visited a friend who has bought a Viewsonic 30 inch LCD TV last week. some strange findings.... The image look really terrible when displaying PS2 games (GT4, racing game)... especially when displaying lighter colors, such as the sky.... tons of "screen door" effect... unacceptable!!!!

However, when we put on a computer output, it looked really good.... we fired up Half-Life 2, and wooooooow!!!! it is perfect...

Therefore, if I spend my majority of time playing IL2, I can just go for a cheaper LCD TV? But I think, if I really only play PC game, why don't just buy a LCD monitor??? The Apple display look really good, and the 23 inch model isn't that expensive anyway ..... but, 23 inch is not equal to 30 inch!!!!!! my primary objective is to buy a BIG screen, and image quailty, while still very important, would come in second in my priority... and I think I will definitely spend some time on GT4, especially when Warclouds is empty (and I have already invested on a set of GT4 driving wheel)....

difficult decision http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

FatBoyHK
02-17-2005, 02:46 PM
bumpy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MaxMhz
02-17-2005, 06:39 PM
Sorry for the late reply -

conf.ini :

[window]
width=1280 &lt;-- width of viewing area/screen in pixels
height=712 &lt;-- height of viewing area/screen
ColourBits=32 &lt;-- No. bits for colour info
DepthBits=24 &lt;-- No bits for depth (Z) buffer
StencilBits=8 &lt;-- Stencil buffer width
ChangeScreenRes=0 &lt;-- Set to 1 if you want the game to change screen res (for fullscreen TV Viewing =1)
FullScreen=0 &lt;-- Set to 1 if you want Fullscreen (not a window)
DrawIfNotFocused=0 &lt;-- Set to 1 if you want a window updated when it's not "topmost"=focused
EnableResize=1 &lt;-- Set to 1 if you want to be able to resize the window
EnableClose=1 &lt;-- Set to 1 is you want a "Close" button on the window
SaveAspect=0 &lt;-- ALLWAyS set to 0 if non 9:5 screen/window aspect

So...
width and height according to TV resolution
ChangeScreenRes=1
FullScreen=1
SaveAspect=0
Should do it for a wide-screen TV - this would then NOT give the black bars seen above http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
And no, you will see "normal", nothing will be distorted. You will see less of the instruments though...

FatBoyHK
02-17-2005, 10:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaxMhz:
You will see less of the instruments though... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it can be solved by:

1: use the wide view as if it is the normal view

2: Choose one of the ten available FOV settings which suit you the best