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FritzGryphon
08-07-2005, 10:06 PM
I've heard there will be 10-11 flyables in BoB, some are assumed and some are already known. As for the others, what do you think should be in the game? Assuming 10-11 unique planes, not variants.

Here's my wish list.

Britain
-----------
SpitI-known
HurriI-known
Wellington
Defiant

Germany
-----------
Bf-109E-known
Bf-110C
Ju-87B
Do-17

Italy
-----------
BR-20-known
CR-42
G-50

FritzGryphon
08-07-2005, 10:06 PM
I've heard there will be 10-11 flyables in BoB, some are assumed and some are already known. As for the others, what do you think should be in the game? Assuming 10-11 unique planes, not variants.

Here's my wish list.

Britain
-----------
SpitI-known
HurriI-known
Wellington
Defiant

Germany
-----------
Bf-109E-known
Bf-110C
Ju-87B
Do-17

Italy
-----------
BR-20-known
CR-42
G-50

VW-IceFire
08-07-2005, 11:03 PM
Can't argue with that...

Maybe the Heinkel as flyable too? Seeing as its already been done once...doing it again couldn't be nearly as bad. Having a Dornier bomber...that'd be new for us.

fordfan25
08-07-2005, 11:08 PM
f4u-4,p-47N,bearcat,p-51H. yea thats right blue its ower turn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

FritzGryphon
08-07-2005, 11:11 PM
Lol, one track mind? Faster, must go faster...

One reason I know I'll love BoB. No hotrods or fantasy planes! We all know cr@p planes rule.

Here is fingers crossed for Poland addon...

AerialTarget
08-07-2005, 11:28 PM
P-38 D? Actually, given how the J is portrayed, I don't know that I want Oleg to do the D. Still, a badly modelled P-38 is marginally better than no P-38.

FritzGryphon
08-07-2005, 11:46 PM
I mean BoB release version. As in, the Battle of Britain. Not 'insert random whine here' thread.

Next, someone will ask for FW-190 with no bar...

Kocur_
08-08-2005, 12:34 AM
Let me have honour to be the first to do so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif:

No more bar in Fw-190 cocpit! Its not visible for pilot!

LEXX_Luthor
08-08-2005, 01:35 AM
Assuming BoB is releaced on DVD.

Fw-190D9, for Region 2 DVD.

Avro Arrow and P-51D, for Region 1 DVD.

Xiolablu3
08-08-2005, 01:37 AM
Spit 2 should be there, along with the Heinkel He-111,

Dornier? Ju88??

This is added to the OP's list of course.

Blenhiem?

Fehler
08-08-2005, 03:42 AM
Swordfish

F19_Olli72
08-08-2005, 03:47 AM
Gloster Gladiator?

SeaNorris
08-08-2005, 03:50 AM
Me-262, SpitfireXIV http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

F19_Olli72
08-08-2005, 03:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaNorris:
Me-262, SpitfireXIV http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quite obviously, you forgot the Bachem Natter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

HotelBushranger
08-08-2005, 04:09 AM
I'm hoping for BR-20, Spits, Hurris, G 50s, Cr 42s, 109's, Gladiators, Blenheims (am I the only one that loves the purr of that engine ingame? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), Ju-88, 110C, I wish Hawker Hind (not gonna happen though, phased out by 40), Do-17, Defiant.

Another question is does anybody wanna guess the BoB AI list?

csThor
08-08-2005, 04:25 AM
My wishlist for the german side (don't have enough knowledge about british/italian types):

Flyable:

Bf 109 E-1
Bf 109 E-3
Bf 109 E-4
Bf 109 E-1/b
Bf 109 E-3/b
Bf 109 E-4/b
Bf 110 C-4
Bf 110 C-4/b
Ju 88 A-1
Do 17 Z-1
He 111 H-2
Ju 87 B-1/2

AI only:

Ju 52
Do 24
He 60

Nice to have:

Fw 44
Bf 108
Do 17 P/M (recon)
Ju 86 (high-alt recon)
He 115

JG53Frankyboy
08-08-2005, 04:37 AM
to the LW i would ad the Bf109E-4/N.
all 3 bombers would be nice, but if only one will be flyable, i hope for the Ju88A-1.
with dive- and levelbomb possibility it would bring more to the gameplay..........


RAF flyable
Hurricane Mk.I 2 speed propeller
Hurricane Mk.I CSP
Hurricane Mk.IIa first series
Spitfire Mk.I 2 speed propeller
Spitfire Mk.I CSP
Spitfire Mk.Ib , only 2 canons, no .303
Spitfire Mk.IIa
Blenheim Mk.IV
Blenheim Mk.IVF
Gladiator Mk.II

Atomic_Marten
08-08-2005, 04:58 AM
<span class="ev_code_RED">Red must have:</span>
Boulton Paul Defiant
Bleinheim (variants)
Gladiator
Hurricane
Beaufighter
Spitfire

<span class="ev_code_PINK">Red should have:</span>
Fairey Fulmar
Westland Lysander
Wellington

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Blue must have:</span>
Do-17
HE-111
Bf-110
Ju-87
Ju-88
FW-200
Bf-109
BR.20
CR.42
G.50

<span class="ev_code_PINK">Blue should have:</span>
Do-18
Do-24
HE-59
HE-115
Ju-52

<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">Nice to have:</span>
Bf-108
__________________________________________________ _____


Be sure in this list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MEGILE
08-08-2005, 05:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Assuming BoB is releaced on DVD.

Fw-190D9, for Region 2 DVD.

Avro Arrow and P-51D, for Region 1 DVD. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

HotelBushranger
08-08-2005, 05:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nice to have:

Bf 108 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you head over to the Updates page, you can see WIP's of Bf 108s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Feathered_IV
08-08-2005, 07:44 AM
Dewoitine D501/510 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/6/6b/D.510.jpg

Kernow
08-08-2005, 02:16 PM
Can't believe anyone would think one bomber is good enough. All the major combat ac ought to be flyable:

Spit I
Hurri I
109E
110C
Ju-87
He-111
Ju-88
Do-17

That's the 'big-8' if you like. To make a round dozen you could add the Blenheim and either 3 Italians or 2 plus a Beaufighter if the night Blitz is being represented.

danjama
08-08-2005, 02:17 PM
why has nobody said The Lancaster? Ill be the first shall i! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Hristo_
08-08-2005, 02:18 PM
Bf 109E - the right tool for the job. Now bring them on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Xiolablu3
08-08-2005, 02:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
why has nobody said The Lancaster? Ill be the first shall i! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Because there was no Lanc till 1942 m8.

Would be good to have one in FB/PF tho. and a good addition if BOB gets added to as IL2 did.

Xiolablu3
08-08-2005, 02:56 PM
I have seen footage of a BF108 getting hammered in the Battle Of Britain somewhere over England. (the shot where it gets hit just under the cockipit and a lot of flames appear there , side on shot. If anyone remembers it too)

Not sure this means it should be in the game tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
08-08-2005, 03:31 PM
Well, I would like to include the P-80. Since there where 2 of them for operational evaluation in Italy at the ende of the war. And I want the DO-335 because it looks sexy and it rooooxxxzzzz. If these aircraft are not in the BoB game, I will quit playing all of Maddox sims at once and I will think Oleg is a spoiled little brad who wants to spoil my gameplay experience. Somethin I insist on because I buy his product wich is very expensive for me.

J_Weaver
08-08-2005, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nice to have:

Bf 108 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you head over to the Updates page, you can see WIP's of Bf 108s http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

faustnik
08-08-2005, 04:49 PM
The <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Hawk-75</span> to make both us Americans and the French happy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Destroyer110
08-08-2005, 05:17 PM
Don't forget the WHAT-IF scenarios. Anyone can do a BOB sim but what about WOT-IFs, as

(1) 109E with drop tanks (they had wooden ones but they didn't work too well)
(2) Heinkel HE-100 Fighter instead of the 109
(3) Heinkel HE-178 Jet fighter.
(4) HE-111 bombers better defended with 20mm Cannons (nose, dorsal, belly) (reduced bomb load) (Many pre-war bomber designs had at least one 20mm cannon)
(5) Defiant armed with Vickers 40MM cannon(s) instead of a turret.
(6) JU 86 Bomber with constant speed diesels (put .. put .. put) and retractable belly gunner.
(7) JU 89 heavy bomber.
(8) etc etc etc etc

Old_Canuck
08-08-2005, 06:53 PM
Flyable Fiesler Storch for us old timers to go base hopping http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HotelBushranger
08-09-2005, 02:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Hawk-75 to make both us Americans and the French happy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you! Was hoping someone else but me would ask for this! Good onya mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Quick question: Do you think most if not all canopy's of BoB planes will be openable? I think they should be, it adds a touch of realism and fun to the game

Dunkelgrun
08-09-2005, 03:09 AM
These aircraft took part in the Battle of Britain between July and October 1940. If RAF bombing raids of the time (not technically part of the Battle) are taken into account then there's a lot more.

Essential RAF flyables:

Boulton-Paul Defiant Mk I : single-engined fighter
Bristol Blenheim Fighter IF : twin-engined fighter
Hawker Hurricane Mk I & IIA : single-engined fighter
Vickers-Supermarine Spitfire Mks I & II : single-engined fighter

Essential Luftwaffe flyables:

Dornier Do17E : twin-engined bomber
Focke-Wulf Fw200 : four-engined reconnaissance and bomber
Heinkel He111H : twin-engined bomber
Junkers Ju87B : single-engined dive-bomber
Junkers Ju88A : twin-engined bomber
Messerschmitt Bf109E : single-engined fighter
Messerschmitt Bf110C : twin-engined fighter

Essential Regia Aeronautica flyables:

Fiat BR20 : twin-engined bomber
Fiat CR42 : single-engined fighter
Fiat G50 : single-engined fighter

Nice to have but not essential:

RAF:
Armstrong-Whitworth Whitley : twin-engined bomber
Avro Anson : twin-engined trainer & communications
Bristol Blenheim IV : twin-engined light bomber
DeHavilland Tiger Moth : single-engined biplane trainer
Fairey Battle : single-engined light bomber
Fairey Swordfish : single-engined biplane torpedo-bomber
Gloster Gladiator : single-engined biplane fighter (one flight based at Plymouth; took no real part in the Battle and as I understand it Plymouth will not be on the BoB map).
Grumman Martlet MkI : single-engined fighter (one squadron based in Scotland - not on map).
Handley Page Hampden : twin-engined bomber
Supermarine Walrus: single-engined biplane floatplane
Vickers Wellington : twin-engined bomber

Luftwaffe:
Dornier Do18 : single-engined flying boat
Dornier Do215B : twin-engined bomber
Heinkel He59 : twin-engined biplane floatplane
Heinkel He111D & P : twin-engined bomber
Heinkel He115 : twin-engined floatplane
Messerschmitt Bf108 : single-engined trainer
Junkers Ju52 : triple-engined transport



That makes 14 essential flyables in my book, plus a lot more it would be nice to have. The Short Stirling four-engined heavy bomber was in production, though not operational, at the time. Now wouldn't that be nice? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers!

csThor
08-09-2005, 03:43 AM
Dunkelgrun

The Fw 200 is as useless and "exotic" for the given timeframe as the Bf 109 Z is in FB. At that point there was only one Gruppe which used Fw 200Cs and this was I./KG 40. They were flying long-range recon over the Atlantic and did not take part in the "Battle of Britain" at all - at least not where it counts for the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dunkelgrun
08-09-2005, 06:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by csThor:
Dunkelgrun

The Fw 200 is as useless and "exotic" for the given timeframe as the Bf 109 Z is in FB. At that point there was only one Gruppe which used Fw 200Cs and this was I./KG 40. They were flying long-range recon over the Atlantic and did not take part in the "Battle of Britain" at all - at least not where it counts for the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't really agree with your 'useless and exotic' comparison, given that the Condor actually existed and definitely did take part in the Battle -

Two Condors lost on minelaying duties on 19/20 July 1940 including this one:
I./KG40 Focke-Wulf FW200C. Brought down by AA fire during a minelaying sortie and crashed into the North Sea between Hartlepool and Sunderland at 23.55.

A Focke-Wulf Condor belonging to I./KG40 crashed on the 25th of July 1940 whilst on a minelaying sortie at the mouth of Belfast Lough.

I./KG40 flew night-bombing raids to the Liverpool-Birkenhead area on four successive nights, 28th to 31st August 1940.


However, given that these operations will be well off the edges of the BoB map perhaps it isn't Essential. Relegate it to the 'Nice to Haves' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers!

Atomic_Marten
08-09-2005, 06:47 AM
I would like to see also an HE-112 in game, one excellent fighter (of it's time around y1935).
details (http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/he112.html)

Unfortunately for the HE-112, Bf-109 also participated in the contest for the main Luftwaffe fighter.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.jg27.de/he-112,d.JPG

Romanian Air Force used them in ww2.

Atomic_Marten
08-09-2005, 07:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">why has nobody said The Lancaster? Ill be the first shall i! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I certainly hope that we will see that monster in BoB game.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
But I think that, if it ever modelled, Lanc will come later, in add-ons. Don't really know...

csThor
08-09-2005, 08:36 AM
Quite frankly I am strictly ... no strike that, not severe enough ... absolutely, 1000%, totally and completely against any non-representative aircraft of the "Battle of Britain" timeframe and region. If we put another "MiG-3U" into the next sim we'll have the same precedence as in FB, which meant no control over what's being inserted into the engine beyond quality control.

I hope Maddox Games learns something from the development process of the Il-2 series and employs a more controlled system on 3rd Party projects based on criteria as historical relevance for time/region modelled, numbers used, usefulness within the limits of the game etc.

Dunkelgrun
08-09-2005, 08:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by csThor:
Quite frankly I am strictly ... no strike that, not severe enough ... absolutely, 1000%, totally and completely against any non-representative aircraft of the "Battle of Britain" timeframe and region. If we put another "MiG-3U" into the next sim we'll have the same precedence as in FB, which meant no control over what's being inserted into the engine beyond quality control.

I hope Maddox Games learns something from the development process of the Il-2 series and employs a more controlled system on 3rd Party projects based on criteria as historical relevance for time/region modelled, numbers used, usefulness within the limits of the game etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


In total agreement http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif. Let the other planes come along in time- and theatre-specific add-ons. BoB is BoB. Long Live BoB! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers!

Invader88
08-09-2005, 10:03 AM
yeah surely its better to model the ones that were there and in graet numbers i also think its better to have fewer but more detailed pits
cheers

PBNA-Boosher
08-09-2005, 12:07 PM
guessing all types- bold f for flyable

German
Bf-109D/E series (I wish for a 109B) F
Bf-110C
He-111- 2 types, B/C type through He-111H. F
Ju-87B F
Ju-88A F
Do-17Z
FW-200C
Hs.123
Ju-52

Italy
G.50 F
Cr.42 F
Fiat BR20 F
SM.79 F
Ca.133

Royal Air Force
Hurricane Mk. I F
Spitfire Mk. I, Mk. II F
Bolton Paul Defiant Mk. I, Mk. II
Bristol Blenheim Mk. I F
Gloster Gladiator Mk.I, Mk.II

Arm_slinger
08-09-2005, 12:15 PM
For whoever mentioned the Beaufighter, we won't see that I dont think as it was a 41 bird

Atomic_Marten
08-09-2005, 12:29 PM
Order of battle in BoB (Beaufighter equipped squadrons)

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
SQ. Codes Base
No.23 YP Middle Wallop
No.25 ZK North Weald
No.29 RO Wellingore
No.219 FK Redhill
No.600 BO Redhill, Catterick
No.604 NG Middle Wallop
FIU ZO Tangmere, Shoreham</pre>

First Beaufighter flown on 20 july 1939.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
For whoever mentioned the Beaufighter, we won't see that I dont think as it was a 41 bird </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BoB started in 1940, and you got it all wrong.

Dash_C.
08-09-2005, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
Lol, one track mind? Faster, must go faster...

One reason I know I'll love BoB. No hotrods or fantasy planes! We all know cr@p planes rule.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen.

/waiting for Bf-110C goodness...

Dunkelgrun
08-09-2005, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
Order of battle in BoB (Beaufighter equipped squadrons)

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
SQ. Codes Base
No.23 YP Middle Wallop
No.25 ZK North Weald
No.29 RO Wellingore
No.219 FK Redhill
No.600 BO Redhill, Catterick
No.604 NG Middle Wallop
FIU ZO Tangmere, Shoreham</pre>

First Beaufighter flown on 20 july 1939.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
For whoever mentioned the Beaufighter, we won't see that I dont think as it was a 41 bird </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BoB started in 1940, and you got it all wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When 29 Squadron of the Royal Air Force became fully operational with the Beaufighter Mk IF in October 1940, it marked the beginning of operations by a night fighter that was completely capable of performing its task

Hardly BoB material. Now if we're talking Blitz that's another matter.

Cheers!

Atomic_Marten
08-09-2005, 03:56 PM
Oh don't be peevish Dunkelgrun.

First two Beaus were built in june, five more in july, 23 in august and 15 in september.

Fact is that FIU was first to get them on 12 august, then No.29, No.604 and 25 squadrons on 2 and 3 september. No.23 and No.600 received their Beaufighters on 8 september.

However Beaufighter began flying operational sorties from 18 september.

That makes it boldly BoB material. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

telsono
08-09-2005, 04:20 PM
I like Dunkelgrun's list:
______________________________________________
Essential RAF flyables:

Boulton-Paul Defiant Mk I : single-engined fighter
Bristol Blenheim Fighter IF : twin-engined fighter
Hawker Hurricane Mk I & IIA : single-engined fighter
Vickers-Supermarine Spitfire Mks I & II : single-engined fighter

Essential Luftwaffe flyables:

Dornier Do17E : twin-engined bomber
Focke-Wulf Fw200 : four-engined reconnaissance and bomber
Heinkel He111H : twin-engined bomber
Junkers Ju87B : single-engined dive-bomber
Junkers Ju88A : twin-engined bomber
Messerschmitt Bf109E : single-engined fighter
Messerschmitt Bf110C : twin-engined fighter

Essential Regia Aeronautica flyables:

Fiat BR20 : twin-engined bomber
Fiat CR42 : single-engined fighter
Fiat G50 : single-engined fighter

Nice to have but not essential:

RAF:
Armstrong-Whitworth Whitley : twin-engined bomber
Avro Anson : twin-engined trainer & communications
Bristol Blenheim IV : twin-engined light bomber
DeHavilland Tiger Moth : single-engined biplane trainer
Fairey Battle : single-engined light bomber
Fairey Swordfish : single-engined biplane torpedo-bomber
Gloster Gladiator : single-engined biplane fighter (one flight based at Plymouth; took no real part in the Battle and as I understand it Plymouth will not be on the BoB map).
Grumman Martlet MkI : single-engined fighter (one squadron based in Scotland - not on map).
Handley Page Hampden : twin-engined bomber
Supermarine Walrus: single-engined biplane floatplane
Vickers Wellington : twin-engined bomber

Luftwaffe:
Dornier Do18 : single-engined flying boat
Dornier Do215B : twin-engined bomber
Heinkel He59 : twin-engined biplane floatplane
Heinkel He111D & P : twin-engined bomber
Heinkel He115 : twin-engined floatplane
Messerschmitt Bf108 : single-engined trainer
Junkers Ju52 : triple-engined transport
_______________________________________________

But I would add one more as a flying essential. A little exotic but operational in November of 1940 with 263 Squadron:

Westland Whirlwind

--------------------------------------------
Also,

Various:

Curtiss H-75 series

French:
Bloch MB 151 series
MS 406
De.520
Breguet 690 series

LeO 451 (AI)
Potez 630 series (AI)

F19_Olli72
08-09-2005, 05:20 PM
Since this turned to a 'wish' thread, instead of 'guess' thread;
http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~wingman/pics/sunderlandvg800.jpg
http://www.aeroplaneart.com.au/Images/JSJ_Short_Sunderland_Mk_V.jpg
http://jnpassieux.chez.tiscali.fr/images/Sunderland_2.jpg
http://www.aircraftscalemodeling.com/ASM%20sections/Features/Sunderland/Sunderland%204.jpg
http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/images/main/98_motat/98SUND16.JPG
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Low_Flyer_MkII
08-09-2005, 05:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by telsono:

_______________________________________________

But I would add one more as a flying essential. A little exotic but operational in November of 1940 with 263 Squadron:

Westland Whirlwind

--------------------------------------------
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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MEGILE
08-09-2005, 05:41 PM
Spit XIV.

fabianfred
08-09-2005, 06:03 PM
I hope they just keep to a nice tight essential plane set... and concentrate on excellent FM DM and AI... plus good maps and FMB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

darkhorizon11
08-09-2005, 07:02 PM
Rumor is the Spit and the 109 might POSSIBLY make it in... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

FritzGryphon
08-09-2005, 08:27 PM
109 and Spit? Overdone.

I expect a full suite of British carrier planes, of course.

NekoReaperman
12-19-2005, 11:30 AM
wtf? the Useless Blenheim I is needed, but the Uber awsome and cool Blenheim IV isnt?


That is my Bird-of-choice in World War two:Online


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jds1978
12-19-2005, 12:33 PM
DO 17z
Ju 87b

Spit Mk I
Hurricane I

msalama
12-19-2005, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">One reason I know I'll love BoB. No hotrods or fantasy planes! We all know cr@p planes rule. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif 100% or more.

neural_dream
12-19-2005, 12:36 PM
I want a rescue floatplane.


No, wait, I DEMAND a rescue floatplane.

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-19-2005, 03:19 PM
I reckon we ought to have a Tiger Moth. If you can't master basic flying in that, the game won't give you a Spitfire or a Hurri (or a Whirlwind http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ). The Lufties could have an Arado trainer course in order to get their 109.

How's that for an idea, chaps? You earn your planes by proving you're fit enough to fly 'em.

neural_dream
12-19-2005, 03:28 PM
You mean like make BoB an actual game? That's sacriligious. IL2 became famous for how much it isn't a game. If they add trainers and qualification missions they may even make some money out of this sim. Are you nuts? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

Tooz_69GIAP
12-19-2005, 04:11 PM
He-115 and Sunderland Flying Boat please!!

NekoReaperman
12-19-2005, 04:35 PM
i would LOVE to see a tiger moth training mission...

Someone should make a seperate topic requesting it...

Dunkelgrun
12-19-2005, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
I reckon we ought to have a Tiger Moth. If you can't master basic flying in that, the game won't give you a Spitfire or a Hurri (or a Whirlwind http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ). The Lufties could have an Arado trainer course in order to get their 109.

How's that for an idea, chaps? You earn your planes by proving you're fit enough to fly 'em. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a flight in a Tiger Moth a couple of months ago; whilst easy enough to control it was bumpy as hell, the wings picking up every little air current. This was on a near perfect day as well.
I love the idea of having trainers in the game, as long as the qualification necessary to get a fighter is optional. Otherwise the whole war, let alone BoB, will be over before I get my wings! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers!

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-19-2005, 06:24 PM
I honestly think the trainer idea has got some mileage in it, as an option - 'full real career mode' perhaps. Imagine working your way through the main game, earning your ride in a Mossie pathfinder or whatever. So many flying hours and safe landings before you're trusted with the next plane on the historical list. If you're killed, you start all over again...in a trainer. You could be offered the chance to transfer to Bomber, Coastal or Fighter Command (or Axis equivalent) at regular intervals, providing you haven't written off too many of your sides' machines; or given the option to carry on in your current role. Shouldn't be too hard to implement. Would surely make us think more like pilots, and reward us for doing so.

neural_dream
12-19-2005, 07:19 PM
And that brings back my wishlist for BoB:

1. Togglable random breakdowns with close to historically accurate probability.
2. Rescue missions with Fieseler Storch and a flying boat.
3. Reconnaissance missions, where what photos you take have some impact on the next mission(s).
4. Anti-ship missions (real ones this time).
5. Two-seat trainers for online tutoring and offline training.

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-19-2005, 07:24 PM
Good thinking, ND.

Walrus, anyone?

mole_boy
12-19-2005, 08:42 PM
My only real hope is that Oleg isn't stingy on the bombers, I want a Blenheim, wellington, Ju87, He 111, Do 17, Ju 87.

And before I am told that "Wellington has no influence on BOB I will remind ppl that the wellington and other British bombers nigth raid on Berlin that stopped the Luftwaffe from attacking the airfields,k which gave fighter command room to breath. therefore it is an <span class="ev_code_RED">essential </span> plane for this sim

Dunkelgrun
12-20-2005, 04:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
And that brings back my wishlist for BoB:

1. Togglable random breakdowns with close to historically accurate probability.
2. Rescue missions with Fieseler Storch and a flying boat.
3. Reconnaissance missions, where what photos you take have some impact on the next mission(s).
4. Anti-ship missions (real ones this time).
5. Two-seat trainers for online tutoring and offline training. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes

plus 6. Variable wind direction and a windsock!

Good list n_d http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers!

airjunkie
12-20-2005, 09:42 PM
I guess it will be connected like the other IL2's so all of the planes that are already flyable, can be used also.


do17
ju 88
English Countryside

Waldo.Pepper
12-20-2005, 10:07 PM
WALRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Waldo.Pepper
12-20-2005, 10:08 PM
HE59!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R988z
12-21-2005, 07:01 AM
I think the training idea has plenty of merit.

The Grand Turismo series (another 'simulator' type game) had a similar system of earning licences before you could race and that was a hugely successful game. So at least in campaign mode I think it would be an excellent idea. Keep quick battle open for everyone though so you also have the option of jumping right in if you want.

Another aircraft that would be good would be the Bristol Beaufort and some antiship missions against ships in the channel and maybe even some ports. There's something about limping back to base all shot up and on one dying engine, whilst trying to cross the channel and make home base that is strangely appealing. I love antiship missions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Flakwalker
12-21-2005, 07:21 AM
My wish list:

Germany Fighters:
BF-109 E-3
BF-109 E-4
BF-110 C
He-100 (bonus)
He-112 (bonus)
BF-109 T (bonus aircraft carrier)

Germany Bombers:
Ju-87 B-2
Do 17 Z-2
Ju-88 A-4
He-111 H-2
Do-215 B-2
Fw-200 (flyable please)
Ju-86 G-1 (bonus)
Ju-87 T (bonus aircraft carrier)
Fi-167 (bonus aircraft carrier)

German Recon/Rescue
Storch
Breguet 521
Do 18
Do 24
Bv-138
He-114
Ar-196
He-115

British Fighters:
Sptifire Mk.I
Spitfire Mk.II (bonus)
Hurricane Mk.I
Sea Hurricane Mk.I (CAM)
Defiant

British Bombers:
Wellignton
Stirling
Blemheim
Hampden

British Recon/Rescue
Stranraer
Sunderland
Walrus
Anson
Maryland

Also I will want, not related to aircraft, that on scramble you can notice the pilots run towards their aircraft, and also on mission return they leave the aircraft and head on to the HQ.

JG53Frankyboy
12-21-2005, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by airjunkie:
I guess it will be connected like the other IL2's so all of the planes that are already flyable, can be used also.


....... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

for sure not ! BoB will use totaly new gameengine, no merge possible.

dont expect to much - i heard that its even hard to convince Oleg to make more 109 variants than only a Bf109E-3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

my hopes and guesses are going with the following flyables:

Bf109E-1,-3,-4, -4N
Bf110C-4
Ju87B-2
Ju88A-1

FIAT Cr.42
FIAT G.50
FIAT Br.20

Spitfire Mk.I&II
Hurricane Mk.I&IIA early
BlenheimMk.IV&IVF

and sure AI planes like Do-17Z, He111H , He59 , Ju52 , Wellington , Defiant

JSG72
12-21-2005, 03:22 PM
Joined this thread kinda late!(Not read past page one)
Has anyone mentioned the HUDSON!or SKUA! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jetbuff
12-21-2005, 05:09 PM
Regarding the He-111H, I'm betting it will be flyable because we already have one in FB. i.e. the information is readily available even if BoB models have to be reworked from the ground up. In contrast, the Ju88, while expected in FB, has yet to grace us and I'm doubtful we will be offered more than one flyable bomber per side.

carguy_
12-21-2005, 05:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
And that brings back my wishlist for BoB:

1. Togglable random breakdowns with close to historically accurate probability. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Idea rejected by 1C.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
5. Two-seat trainers for online tutoring and offline training. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Idea rejected by 1C.


My wish for BoB is FW190A3.I don`t care if it was there.I want to see if Oleg changes his mind about energy planes - P47,Tempest etc.

neural_dream
12-21-2005, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
And that brings back my wishlist for BoB:

1. Togglable random breakdowns with close to historically accurate probability. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Idea rejected by 1C.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
5. Two-seat trainers for online tutoring and offline training. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Idea rejected by 1C.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif That's seriously bad news http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, or maybe a great chance to go back to my beloved RTS games http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

darkhorizon11
12-21-2005, 10:14 PM
Oleg already asked for assistance with finding cockpit shots to make the Blenheim flyable.

darkhorizon11
12-21-2005, 10:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mole_boy:
My only real hope is that Oleg isn't stingy on the bombers, I want a Blenheim, wellington, Ju87, He 111, Do 17, Ju 87.

And before I am told that "Wellington has no influence on BOB I will remind ppl that the wellington and other British bombers nigth raid on Berlin that stopped the Luftwaffe from attacking the airfields,k which gave fighter command room to breath. therefore it is an <span class="ev_code_RED">essential </span> plane for this sim </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh that doesn't matter. We have plenty of planes thats never flew or had no influence whatsoever (compared to other planes) in the war. Just the fact that it was there gives it plenty of justification.

JG53Frankyboy
12-22-2005, 02:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mole_boy:
My only real hope is that Oleg isn't stingy on the bombers, I want a Blenheim, wellington, Ju87, He 111, Do 17, Ju 87.

And before I am told that "Wellington has no influence on BOB I will remind ppl that the wellington and other British bombers nigth raid on Berlin that stopped the Luftwaffe from attacking the airfields,k which gave fighter command room to breath. therefore it is an <span class="ev_code_RED">essential </span> plane for this sim </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh that doesn't matter. We have plenty of planes thats never flew or had no influence whatsoever (compared to other planes) in the war. Just the fact that it was there gives it plenty of justification. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

but in BoB that should be avoided . because it needs in the new engine much more time to make a new plane - therefor they should concentrate on the essential ones !

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-22-2005, 03:55 AM
What we need is a 'Secret weapons of the RAF' project.

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WOLFMondo
12-22-2005, 04:07 AM
Defiant would be a waste of time. Would you really want time spent on a plane that spent more time as a target tug than it did as a front line fighter? Its service life lasted mere months in the front line. Rather time was spent on a Typhoon 1.

bazzaah2
12-22-2005, 04:17 AM
A big thumbs up to training/progression in a full real career mode!!! Realistic scrambles on the British side would be great as well. 1C could learn a lot from WoV, both in terms of how not to and how to do things. Might be worth putting together some ideas on game features and petioning Oleg direct.

Dunkelgrun
12-22-2005, 06:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Defiant would be a waste of time. Would you really want time spent on a plane that spent more time as a target tug than it did as a front line fighter? Its service life lasted mere months in the front line. Rather time was spent on a Typhoon 1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, seeing as how the Defiant actually took part in the Battle of Britain, whereas the Typhoon was only at prototype and (unsatisfactory) trials stege...

WOLFMondo
12-22-2005, 06:45 AM
It had a bit part. Kind of like a forgetable cameo appearance in a bad film. Not very good and hardly worth remembering. Theres probably a dozen or so British single engined aircraft which held more importance in 1940 than the defiant includung the gladiator, Battle, Swordfish, Fulmar, Skua, Lysander...then theres the twins.

The only notable thing about the Defiant was the technology developed for the turret.

neural_dream
12-22-2005, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
The only notable thing about the Defiant was the technology developed for the turret. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Which is enough to be appealing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Dunkelgrun
12-22-2005, 07:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
It had a bit part. Kind of like a forgetable cameo appearance in a bad film. Not very good and hardly worth remembering. Theres probably a dozen or so British single engined aircraft which held more importance in 1940 than the defiant includung the gladiator, Battle, Swordfish, Fulmar, Skua, Lysander...then theres the twins.

The only notable thing about the Defiant was the technology developed for the turret. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Gladiator did nothing during BoB. There was a flight of them guarding the dockyard at Plymouth but they never saw any action.


Here is my original 'essentials' list minus the Condor:

Essential RAF flyables:

Boulton-Paul Defiant Mk I : single-engined fighter
Bristol Blenheim Fighter IF : twin-engined fighter
Hawker Hurricane Mk I & IIA : single-engined fighter
Vickers-Supermarine Spitfire Mks I & II : single-engined fighter

Essential Luftwaffe flyables:

Dornier Do17E : twin-engined bomber
Heinkel He111H : twin-engined bomber
Junkers Ju87B : single-engined dive-bomber
Junkers Ju88A : twin-engined bomber
Messerschmitt Bf109E : single-engined fighter
Messerschmitt Bf110C : twin-engined fighter

Essential Regia Aeronautica flyables:

Fiat BR20 : twin-engined bomber
Fiat CR42 : single-engined fighter
Fiat G50 : single-engined fighter



Anything else will be a welcome bonus.

Cheers!

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-22-2005, 08:02 AM
http://www.geocities.com/acrawford0/152.html

Gladiators downing German a/c over Britain.

Dunkelgrun
12-22-2005, 12:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
http://www.geocities.com/acrawford0/152.html

Gladiators downing German a/c over Britain. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Agreed, but that's not in the normally accepted timeframe for BoB, it's even before the Blitzkrieg and Battle of France. Bet you a pound that the northeast of England isn't even included on the BoB map. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get a Gladiator in the BoB sim, but I'd rather have a Defiant or a whole host of other planes (e.g. the British bombers), because in the strict definition of the Battle of Britain (July 10th - October 31st) it was unimportant.

And if there is going to be just eleven flyables... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. Mind you, I'm optimistic on that; I think that there'll be a couple more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Cheers!