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Chuck_Older
06-18-2004, 09:03 AM
Have you ever thought about all the sure kills that a real pilot was denied, even though the target aircraft was really destroyed?

A pilot gets a victory, it was not witnessed, and guncam footage doesn'y show the kill. Pilot loses the kill


In FB, we complain about AI kill stealing, but every kill you make you are credited for, regardless of whether it was witnessed or not.

Ever think about this?

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Chuck_Older
06-18-2004, 09:03 AM
Have you ever thought about all the sure kills that a real pilot was denied, even though the target aircraft was really destroyed?

A pilot gets a victory, it was not witnessed, and guncam footage doesn'y show the kill. Pilot loses the kill


In FB, we complain about AI kill stealing, but every kill you make you are credited for, regardless of whether it was witnessed or not.

Ever think about this?

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Or can I hear the echoes from the days of '39?
~ Clash

SeaFireLIV
06-18-2004, 09:14 AM
Sure have and you`re completely right. It doesn`t take a rocket scientist to realise that some real-life kills were not awarded because no-one could verify them.

If it was truly realistic they`d have to figure in not only kills not seen go down, but potential complications where multiple pilots are making claims for the same ONE plane downed.

The way to see it is at least the enemy is no longer a threat and your side has won.

(p.s. Kill stealing is much less with 2.1 anyway and seems to me to be at a realistic level now.)

Maple_Tiger
06-18-2004, 09:31 AM
I usualy pay back the friendly AI for all the stealing. I do this by shooting down friendly AI after the mission is over.

This can be quit fun; makes me feel better.

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Dora-9
06-18-2004, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maple_Tiger:
I usualy pay back the friendly AI for all the stealing. I do this by shooting down friendly AI after the mission is over.

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I think whats even more important, to kill the "friendly" AI which has shot at you. And if the AI-pilot bails out, I kill him on the chute. No mercy ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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BS87
06-18-2004, 12:22 PM
I do the same thing. I particularly like when they slip in ahead of me and start firing and i "accidentaly" rip off their wing.

J30Vader
06-18-2004, 12:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:

In FB, we complain about AI kill stealing, but every kill you make you are credited for, regardless of whether it was witnessed or not.

Ever think about this?
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I guess things have changed. I remember the first mission I flew I chased two Ju-88 deep into German territory.

Got them both, but never got credit for them.
At the time I thought "Hey, unconfirmed by Army means unconfirmed. I like that."

Indianer.
06-18-2004, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maple_Tiger:
I usualy pay back the friendly AI for all the stealing. I do this by shooting down friendly AI after the mission is over.

This can be quit fun; makes me feel better.

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lol......i bet there isnt a single person who plays this that doesnt take pleasure in getting revenge on a freindly AI killstealer.

I ALWAYS spray the shoot with my .50s just for good measure...helps me sleep at night.

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Chuck_Older
06-18-2004, 03:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by J30Vader:

I guess things have changed. I remember the first mission I flew I chased two Ju-88 deep into German territory.

Got them both, but never got credit for them.
At the time I thought "Hey, unconfirmed by Army means unconfirmed. I like that."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they simply belly land and do not explode, they are not considered 'destroyed' and are not kills. But if they crash and explode, you get credit, every time. If this doesn't happen for you, one of us has a bug in his copy of FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Or can I hear the echoes from the days of '39?
~ Clash

Steaky_361st
06-18-2004, 03:25 PM
Shooting down friendlies...you monsters http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Steaky

Mc_Roth
06-18-2004, 03:32 PM
Well considering that the kill is awarded when :
1) the plane explode in the air
2) hit the ground and goes off
(not entirely right, if it explode after some time on the ground the kill is awarded at least for AI http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

Consider stealing the AI kill http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif just put some lead on his "KILL" while it goes down... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It works... Payback time baby! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

No martial court i this game ? grrrrr.

Hey the russian where pretty bad at begining they losse more planes from FF collision than from ennemy fire.

Chuck_Older
06-18-2004, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steaky_361st:
Shooting down friendlies...you monsters http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Steaky<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Steaky, have you seen Jambock_01's new 361st Mustang skins?!

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The hillsides ring with, "Free the People",
Or can I hear the echoes from the days of '39?
~ Clash

boxmike
06-18-2004, 03:55 PM
Aww...I fly with this AI guy for minutes, I look at him now and then and feel the faith for camaraderie...Minutes later he gets better speed upon target I was aiming for...He/she/it gets hits on target...I rush to get last bullets on target...and lose...Few seconds later I'm on this AI guys tail and tickle the trigger...Can't do it!
Ridiculous, isn't it?
I remember this guy from VOW of VEF whatever...he was calling anyone shooting a smoking Ju88,'Yak, leave smokin 88'...
O man, I lose sense of having just fun. Is the score so damn important? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-18-2004, 04:38 PM
I never EVER shoot down friendlies. I came close to it in prepatch AEP, but doing that destroyes the immersion for me. I just don`t find fun in it. What`s the point, it happened in reality? Would you kill your fellow real life pilots because they apparently stole your kill? No- no matter how much you wanted.

Any way the patched version is better now.

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horseback
06-18-2004, 05:33 PM
Actually, Seafire, in RL, more than one guy got his butt kicked for some of the **** the AI pull regularly. Very few of them ever did it again...

cheers

horseback

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J30Vader
06-18-2004, 06:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:


If they simply belly land and do not explode, they are not considered 'destroyed' and are not kills. But if they crash and explode, you get credit, every time. If this doesn't happen for you, one of us has a bug in his copy of FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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You could be right about the first. If I gambled I would bet on it. I haven't played for awhile, blasted wrist http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Huxley_S
06-18-2004, 06:29 PM
I think it is important to spend time with the AI in the mess hall at the end of the mission. Have a few drinks and that.

I've found that this way they are less likely to steal your kills and more likely to verify any kills you make.

Plus they might introduce you to attractive women.

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tagTaken2
06-18-2004, 08:05 PM
I recently justified the use of unlimited ammo in my offline campaigns, based solely on the fact that AI keeps taking down my dying kills... Now I can get all the little b@stards before we get back. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

There must be some way to implement a command that would prevent them from attacking your target... maybe through padlock?

Saburo_0
06-19-2004, 12:37 PM
I'm with Huxley & SeaFire. Get a little irritated sometimes,esp if the Ai is closing on my position of squadron leader in kills. But It also means my AI mates are getting credited with more experience. I figure if thier skills improve they are more likely to save my butt when I get target fixation & do something stupid.
Now it does bother me more when i'm flying that weak gunned 1940 Mig. Grrr.

DeBaer.534
06-19-2004, 04:03 PM
i dont shoot friendlies either. AI often enough saves your butt, and a wingman is a wingman.
also, you get credited for an belly landed enemy A/C ... just wait some minutes and itll disappear showing the message "enemy aircraft destroyed"

DuxCorvan
06-19-2004, 05:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Have you ever thought about all the sure kills that a real pilot was denied, even though the target aircraft was really destroyed?

A pilot gets a victory, it was not witnessed, and guncam footage doesn'y show the kill. Pilot loses the kill


In FB, we complain about AI kill stealing, but every kill you make you are credited for, regardless of whether it was witnessed or not.

Ever think about this?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but think also about this:

In real life, many pilots were also credited with kills they never got. Sometimes the same kill was accounted for two different guys that had shot upon the same target in different moments of the fight; also many damaged aircraft that got back home were credited as kills, and there were even scores when the aircraft attacked was shot at but not damaged at all.

Not to mention simple lies.

Real air combat is like a soap dramma. Confusion is the rule, and it's difficult to identify your enemy. Even more difficult to know if you have really downed him.

WW2 briefings and reports are often full of kills and engagements that you just can't track from the other side.

How many 'we killed 4 109s' reports have been read about, just to discover years later that the very same day all 109s were safely at their home airfield, and didn't even have an engagement?

So, IMO, the losing of kills to AI isn't balanced by real life lack of accuracy in kill reports.

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Atomic_Marten
06-19-2004, 06:13 PM
Maybe it will sound strange, but I don't tend to shoot a lot on enemy planes, I like if AI can did it for me, and all that AI stealing isn't too bad, cause they also apear to damage enemy A/C's then if u're so pissed on your wingman AI, steal their kills. Believe me, works even if enemy is set on fire and heading towards earth, and you hear your wingman screaming "Ich habe einen!"....(just make sure that u put a nice burst of lead in damaged enemy A/C before it hits the ground).... and no you don't, I've got him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

The real trouble of this story is that your wingmans can accidentaly shoot at you if u find yourself between enemy A/C and your wingman's guns. That's the main reason why I let wingman to be closer on enemy's six. What's safe is safe. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

bthylafh
06-22-2004, 09:59 AM
I'm not so annoyed with the kill stealing as I am with my wingmen who don't watch where they're going and ram me.

I'm flying a campaign as an Il-2 series 1 pilot and at least three times a wingie has rammed me while we're in formation heading to the target. They also tend to do this to each other.

Aero_Shodanjo
06-22-2004, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:
I think it is important to spend time with the AI in the mess hall at the end of the mission. Have a few drinks and that.

I've found that this way they are less likely to steal your kills and more likely to verify any kills you make.

Plus they might introduce you to attractive women.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Computer generated women? Oh no... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

horseback
06-22-2004, 01:25 PM
One of the most irritating and annoying things about the AI is their disregard for your safety-last night, I ran a mission where my field was hit by a flight of Il-2s. In the first try, I'd knocked down three, and had a fourth victim's rudder and one stabilizer off, when the SOB behind me killed me.

The screen went black, and I hear "Number 3, cease fire! You're shooting at a friendly!"

I saved the track, and by watching good ol' number 3, it is obvious that I was in his line of sight the whole stinking time before he unloaded on me. The miserable b@stard had to fly 2km across the field and followed me and the Sturmovik around for 5 or six seconds, with me chopping it up the whole time from about 100m back, before he decided to take his shot through me from 400m behind me!

Two reflies later, and the little @sshat did it twice more, so I've started smoking him before I engage the enemy.

All I gotta say is, number three will NEVER survive another mission with me in this campaign, and number 8 better watch his step, too, 'cause it's a LOT easier to take down a 109 than a LaGG and he's been pushing his luck too.

cheers

horseback

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