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LStarosta
08-10-2005, 02:50 PM
Okay, I must say that grass is undermodelled. Seriously, what makes Oleg think that landing a plane on anything other than a pre-fabricated airstrip is going to cause an airplane to ground loop? WTF gives? Back in the old patches, it wasn't too bad. But now you can't land an airplane anywhere unless it's an airstrip that says: OFFICIAL OLEG MADDOX AIRSTRIP, BY OLEG MADDOX, COMPATIBLE WITH OLEG MADDOX-MADE AIRPLANES BY OLEG MADDOX. So apparently, Oleg's grass strips are fine to land on, but any other grass is a hazard and might as well be belly landed on?

Bullshi0t.

My associate and I used to pride ourselves on being able to land our planes on mountain tops and the most remote of places and take off again. Now Oleg has killed our buzz by making our aircraft automatically cartwheel upon touching down on a NON-OLEG MADDOX MADE AIRSTRIP, NOT MADE BY OLEG MADDOX.

Please...

LStarosta
08-10-2005, 02:50 PM
Okay, I must say that grass is undermodelled. Seriously, what makes Oleg think that landing a plane on anything other than a pre-fabricated airstrip is going to cause an airplane to ground loop? WTF gives? Back in the old patches, it wasn't too bad. But now you can't land an airplane anywhere unless it's an airstrip that says: OFFICIAL OLEG MADDOX AIRSTRIP, BY OLEG MADDOX, COMPATIBLE WITH OLEG MADDOX-MADE AIRPLANES BY OLEG MADDOX. So apparently, Oleg's grass strips are fine to land on, but any other grass is a hazard and might as well be belly landed on?

Bullshi0t.

My associate and I used to pride ourselves on being able to land our planes on mountain tops and the most remote of places and take off again. Now Oleg has killed our buzz by making our aircraft automatically cartwheel upon touching down on a NON-OLEG MADDOX MADE AIRSTRIP, NOT MADE BY OLEG MADDOX.

Please...

JG7_Rall
08-10-2005, 02:53 PM
Yes, please bring back bush flying oleg! I know grass in Russia might be like a trampoline, but it certainly isn't like that in the rest of the world!!!

On a more serious note, it really is rediculous how everything groundloops now when you dont land on a runway. Like Starosta here said, him and myself used to land all the time in remote areas such as mountain tops and it really was a blast. Now we can't even land in open fields if they dont have an Oleg Maddox runway!

Please fix this.

JG7_Rall
08-10-2005, 02:54 PM
Btw, I am an official GREEN WHINER!

MEGILE
08-10-2005, 02:56 PM
I back you 100% all the way Starosta. This is for sure a noble cause.

I am putting together a bug report, to be submitted to oleg as we speak.

Tracks and other available data would be helpful.

LStarosta
08-10-2005, 03:13 PM
Edit: Bad ...

LStarosta
08-10-2005, 03:14 PM
Oops. A bit of a mix up...

http://home.comcast.net/~l.starosta/gproofs.JPG

JG7_Rall
08-10-2005, 03:17 PM
There you have it. Oleg, please fix this BUG!!!! Make grass smooth please!

MEGILE
08-10-2005, 03:21 PM
Here is a picture of real grass, for a better comparison.

http://www.peter.com.au/photos/photos/2004-09-18-Grass_01-Grass.jpg

Pretty convincing evidence IMO.

JG7_Rall
08-10-2005, 03:30 PM
How can this be!? A plane that landed intact in real life on the grass!?!? Maybe something is wrong in IL2!!! Look for yourself!

http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepPix/CubComparison8.jpg

It is possible that this pilot hit refly and spawned on a grass airfield; however, there is no "An Airfield by Oleg Maddox" sign anywhere in sight, so how did he do it!?!? Please explain!!!

LStarosta
08-10-2005, 03:30 PM
More proofs!

http://www.spitcrazy.com/DC-4-Landing-In-Grass.jpg
http://biocomplexity.indiana.edu/jglazier/pp/mongolia/010817/008.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/warbirds_en_normandie/Pages%20new/Images/Lysander/LYSANDER%20ATTERRO%2006.99.jpg
http://www.modelairplanenews.com/images/click_trips/dec02/85344_1N64.jpg


None of these planes exhibit ground looping or damage caused by bouncy grass.

LStarosta
08-10-2005, 03:32 PM
Very good work, Nate and Megile.

I think we are ready to have this moved to ORR?

Atomic_Marten
08-10-2005, 03:34 PM
Great, just what we need... a bunch of lawn mover whiners.

SlickStick
08-10-2005, 03:36 PM
Ah, good old "Pogo Grass" (as coined by Leadspitter_ I think) would have you believe that a plane cannot land on grass or roll over a small patch of grass while taxiing.

The worst part is that the intensity just increases with each bounce. I actually broke the tail wheel on one of the FW models, can't remember which A9 I think, from the tail hopping up and pounding down too fast while rolling ON A RUNWAY. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Currently, I just belly land in grass if I have to field land. Screw the gear. The outcome is most likely going to be the same anyways, as I know I will not be able to stop the tail from bouncing up over my head using gear, so why bother?

Just slow it down and slide it in, much the way I land on every Seabee runway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There have been a few threads in ORR about this, one I started as well. Last I heard it was added to make people use taxiways and runways and not just spool up and nail it across the airfield.

JG7_Rall
08-10-2005, 03:40 PM
Dont do it!!! Noo!!!!!! Abort landing!

http://pegase.foxalpha.com/photom/0104/001232.jpg

JG7_Rall
08-10-2005, 03:42 PM
Disaster will surely strike soon! Good thing it's only a spitfire...

http://pegase.foxalpha.com/photom/0204/001499.jpg

carguy_
08-10-2005, 03:45 PM
Hmm yes above 70km/h the plane begins to bounce violently.However I don`t think Oleg cared of placing medium sized plants so he had make up for that.A plane will not land geared down on a,say site with bushes all around or say a cornfield.

I think we should make a compromise.Make,like,the area around the airstrip or the airfield smooth so one could land geared down.

MEGILE
08-10-2005, 05:16 PM
Wow... those legs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Udidtoo
08-10-2005, 07:27 PM
Just do what I do and land in the sand along a river or ocean you silly sunny beach. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

berg417448
08-10-2005, 07:33 PM
Another victim!

http://www.arc-duxford.co.uk/images/me109crash.jpg

LEXX_Luthor
08-10-2005, 07:51 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Look at this cool MiG, you don't even need Perfect flat airfields...

~~> http://aeronautics.ru/mikoyan/mig25_31/mig-25rbk-003.jpg

SlickStick
08-10-2005, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
Disaster will surely strike soon! Good thing it's only a spitfire... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was there. He showed how to land perfectly on Oleg grass everytime.

However, it's no surprise, as his Spitfire won the war. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
08-10-2005, 08:43 PM
we should be able to land on sand too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

lysander supplied the french resistance and put in and out spies... its painted black because it operated at night... landing in fields and taking off again.

was operated from tiny airstrips in burma aswell...

pogo grass is wrong, be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Dash_C.
08-10-2005, 08:44 PM
Overmodelled grass, eh? Lets see some manufacturer data. I'm sure God has some blueprints leftover from creation...

SlickStick
08-10-2005, 09:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dash_C.:
Overmodelled grass, eh? Lets see some manufacturer data. I'm sure God has some blueprints leftover from creation... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

p1ngu, good points. I guess they can't distinguish in the code between rough terrain and smooth terrain? I'm thinking not because it seems the ground has the same surface anywhere in the game, but on a runway or other paved area.

han freak solo
08-10-2005, 09:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
we should be able to land on sand too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess actually landing in fluffy sand could have dire consequences.

However, when landing on a desert airstrip in a Spitfire.....

You've just made a nice easy touchdown with a locked tailwheel, still rolling on the runway/landing strip at about 40 mph you unlock the tailwheel .... and... KERFLOP, you nose over. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Udidtoo
08-10-2005, 10:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
we should be able to land on sand too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess actually landing in fluffy sand could have dire consequences.

However, when landing on a desert airstrip in a Spitfire.....

You've just made a nice easy touchdown with a locked tailwheel, still rolling on the runway/landing strip at about 40 mph you unlock the tailwheel .... and... KERFLOP, you nose over. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I live in a desert. I've looked all over for fluffy sand. We must have loaned all the fluff to Cali.

Only Amerikrap planes should ground loop in pogo grass and fluffy sand. 109s and 190s should never ground loop.

They can land in forests,canyons and in emergencies lava flows.

Hristoes and his Pavlovian sidekick Norris will explain why this is so in several hours.

Pirschjaeger
08-10-2005, 10:42 PM
But you gotta admit, a gearup landing on the grass is quite smooth.

You guyz gotta realize Oleg modelled our IL-2 world after Siberia. In winter maps the snow is rock solid ice and in the summer maps the ground is soft and somewhat muddy. Leave your gear up and grap a new ride. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But you still have the option to land on grass with the gear down. Reinstall the game without the patch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
08-10-2005, 10:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Udidtoo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
we should be able to land on sand too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess actually landing in fluffy sand could have dire consequences.

However, when landing on a desert airstrip in a Spitfire.....

You've just made a nice easy touchdown with a locked tailwheel, still rolling on the runway/landing strip at about 40 mph you unlock the tailwheel .... and... KERFLOP, you nose over. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I live in a desert. I've looked all over for fluffy sand. We must have loaned all the fluff to Cali.

Only Amerikrap planes should ground loop in pogo grass and fluffy sand. 109s and 190s should never ground loop.

They can land in forests,canyons and in emergencies lava flows.

Hristoes and his Pavlovian sidekick Norris will explain why this is so in several hours. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

LeadSpitter_
08-10-2005, 11:01 PM
didnt you know grass in russia like trampolien! pure fact when perma frost on russian ground thaw we go hopping like kangaroo in russia be sure.

it would be nice, leave it up to the map makers to put sandbags or fences to force people into using runways and admins enforcing the use runways rules in servers.

it would also be nice if roads, traintracks and airtrips were an actual part of the map texture like midway is, no glitching runways in the distance, no roads glitched into the sky etc they look so much better.

Maybe next patch oleg will take the trampolien grass out of the game being some maps have grass runways now. It would also be a great improvement to the online wars where the new scripts can save downed pilots over enemy lines by landing the aircraft next to them and waiting a certain ammount of time.

The odds are they will never see this or considering changing it. mado@1c.ru is screened by some mods so they choose what gets thru and what doesnt.

c172pilot
08-10-2005, 11:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Okay, I must say that grass is undermodelled. Seriously, what makes Oleg think that landing a plane on anything other than a pre-fabricated airstrip is going to cause an airplane to ground loop? WTF gives? Back in the old patches, it wasn't too bad. But now you can't land an airplane anywhere unless it's an airstrip that says: OFFICIAL OLEG MADDOX AIRSTRIP, BY OLEG MADDOX, COMPATIBLE WITH OLEG MADDOX-MADE AIRPLANES BY OLEG MADDOX. So apparently, Oleg's grass strips are fine to land on, but any other grass is a hazard and might as well be belly landed on?

Bullshi0t.

My associate and I used to pride ourselves on being able to land our planes on mountain tops and the most remote of places and take off again. Now Oleg has killed our buzz by making our aircraft automatically cartwheel upon touching down on a NON-OLEG MADDOX MADE AIRSTRIP, NOT MADE BY OLEG MADDOX.

Please... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> New STOL airplane to be released in new patch to help with grass landings.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a185/c152pilot/aad.jpg

p1ngu666
08-11-2005, 10:04 AM
by sand, i ment mostly the flat wetish sand from when the tide goes out, thats fairly level. also back in the day record attempts where done on beaches http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

plus its used on top gear a fair bit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

plus the ground would be spongy, u may well bounce more on tarmac...

LStarosta
08-11-2005, 10:05 AM
Several good ideas here...

SeaNorris
08-11-2005, 10:44 AM
Megile said he'll get his mower and cut it for you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

SlickStick
08-11-2005, 06:23 PM
I'm thinking of offering those same services in the Box thread. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

SeaNorris
08-11-2005, 06:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
didnt you know grass in russia like trampolien! pure fact when perma frost on russian ground thaw we go hopping like kangaroo in russia be sure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Capt._Tenneal
08-12-2005, 07:49 AM
Oleg ! I want to land on a grass filed you can also smoke..... dude !! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MEGILE
08-12-2005, 07:55 AM
While I question Starosta's seriousness with regards to this issue (I think he is a flippant boy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif) it is actually a very important point.

How can we expect to have RAF grass fields in BoB, if we have to use Pogo sticks to walk to and from our planes?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

SeaNorris
08-12-2005, 08:12 AM
Spitfire and Hurricane are hover crafts be sure.

LStarosta
08-13-2005, 05:55 PM
Not so true...

Note the sig.

SeaNorris
08-13-2005, 06:01 PM
You is wrong, that is propaganda be sure!!!

MEGILE
08-13-2005, 06:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Not so true...

Note the sig. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG7_Rall
08-13-2005, 11:32 PM
You is wrong, be sure

Please 0l3g, fix this! I want to land my plane on terrain without jack in the boxes popping up out of the ground right underneath my tailwheel!!!

kthx

JG7_Rall
08-13-2005, 11:33 PM
my post count is approaching the Holy Grail of all post counts.

MEGILE
08-14-2005, 03:03 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-14-2005, 05:39 AM
Hmmmmm...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/707buzz4.jpg

Atomic_Marten
08-14-2005, 06:15 AM
The green thingy... is that LStarosta's -concrete-anti*torque"-747*proof- lawn on that pic?

Then no problem for jet.

SeaNorris
08-14-2005, 08:18 AM
More Hurricane propaganda http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

JG7_Rall
08-14-2005, 09:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
Hmmmmm...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/707buzz4.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


What a shame. That jet is going to crash, and all of those parked planes will never see the sky again, unless Oleg Maddox builds an official Oleg Maddox -- A Runway by Oleg Maddox airfield. Either that, or they'll have to be shipped to official Oleg Maddox airfields.

LStarosta
08-14-2005, 11:06 AM
Indeed. I heard there are half-assembled Hurricanes in the cargo bay of that jet.

SeaNorris
08-14-2005, 11:30 AM
More victims of the boncy grass:

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg1814.jpg

Going to crash becasue of grass

http://www.mvairport.com/images/bucher_landing_ds.jpg

Philipscdrw
08-14-2005, 12:32 PM
Every single landing I've ever flown has been onto grass, and every single one was somewhat bouncy. But that's because I fly planes with only one wheel.

fordfan25
08-14-2005, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Okay, I must say that grass is undermodelled. Seriously, what makes Oleg think that landing a plane on anything other than a pre-fabricated airstrip is going to cause an airplane to ground loop? WTF gives? Back in the old patches, it wasn't too bad. But now you can't land an airplane anywhere unless it's an airstrip that says: OFFICIAL OLEG MADDOX AIRSTRIP, BY OLEG MADDOX, COMPATIBLE WITH OLEG MADDOX-MADE AIRPLANES BY OLEG MADDOX. So apparently, Oleg's grass strips are fine to land on, but any other grass is a hazard and might as well be belly landed on?

Bullshi0t.

My associate and I used to pride ourselves on being able to land our planes on mountain tops and the most remote of places and take off again. Now Oleg has killed our buzz by making our aircraft automatically cartwheel upon touching down on a NON-OLEG MADDOX MADE AIRSTRIP, NOT MADE BY OLEG MADDOX.

Please... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


learn to fly ..... errrr land. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

danjama
08-14-2005, 01:25 PM
BUMP! This threads still great after three reads. Sort the bumpy grass out Oleg.

Udidtoo
08-14-2005, 07:29 PM
LStarosta I just noticed something so obvious that I can't believe its been over looked.

With all the fans of Dark Blue World in this forum its a darned good thing that Oleg didn't model the grass for the movie.

Franta would have groundlooped in that field. Then he and Karel along with all those French famers would have been executed which still wouldn't have sucked as much bumm as Pearl Harbor but still would have sucked. pheewwww close call!

NorrisMcWhirter
08-15-2005, 02:45 AM
No wonder those planes bounce so high:

http://www.brayllo.plus.com/pic/draw.jpg

Ta,
Norris

Capt.LoneRanger
08-15-2005, 02:53 AM
hehehe

Though I can support your wish, flying P40s that even ground-loop on prepared strips, now, even without brakes, I got to say something to your nice gras-landing-proofs:

ALL these photos show PREPARED STRIPS. None of those planes is landing on natural gras. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

EURO_Snoopy
08-15-2005, 03:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Oops. A bit of a mix up...

http://home.comcast.net/~l.starosta/gproofs.JPG </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You land as steep as in that graph and you will ground loop, try letting air pressure down in tyres (probably over inflated) you need to bind a key for this though.

TheVoodooPriest
08-15-2005, 04:28 AM
I think the grass has to be so bumpy. Or how else should the .50 cal bullets be bounced back with enough force to punch through a Kingtiger's bottom armor?
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Atomic_Marten
08-15-2005, 05:24 AM
Yeah... K¶nigs have a soft belly. 'Weak' to .50cals.

LStarosta
08-15-2005, 05:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EURO_Snoopy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Oops. A bit of a mix up...

http://home.comcast.net/~l.starosta/gproofs.JPG </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You land as steep as in that graph and you will ground loop, try letting air pressure down in tyres (probably over inflated) you need to bind a key for this though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You is wrong. I scaled the X-axis differently.

LStarosta
08-15-2005, 05:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
ALL these photos show PREPARED STRIPS. None of those planes is landing on natural gras. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nonsense! Show your proofs!

SeaNorris
08-15-2005, 05:55 AM
Proof the grass is bouncy!!!!

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg1814.jpg

JG7_Rall
08-15-2005, 06:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
hehehe

Though I can support your wish, flying P40s that even ground-loop on prepared strips, now, even without brakes, I got to say something to your nice gras-landing-proofs:

ALL these photos show PREPARED STRIPS. None of those planes is landing on natural gras. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

grass fanboy!

Capt.LoneRanger
08-15-2005, 10:39 AM
Proof here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/Arcadiac/proof.jpg

And I still think the droptanks are undermodelled. THIS is a droptank:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/Arcadiac/Droptank.jpg

LStarosta
08-15-2005, 10:47 AM
bs, I think you photoshopped that.

Kuna15
08-15-2005, 10:48 AM
rotfl that will probably explain why a salvo of 30mm cannon fire cannot harm the droptanks in FB.

If they aren't accurately modelled they at least have accurate DM.

Capt.LoneRanger
08-15-2005, 10:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">bs, I think you photoshopped that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


NO WAY MAN! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

MEGILE
08-15-2005, 11:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Proof here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/Arcadiac/proof.jpg

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh man.. this is pure anti-grass propaganda... no proofs, just MS paint.
I bet this is what was sent to oleg in the first place.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
08-15-2005, 11:16 AM
ehm, honestly, you don't see the difference between the flattened gras in the foreground and the natural in the back? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

If anybody posts a picture of non-moved, not flattened, natural gras, with an airplane landing, I'll take this thread serious http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LStarosta
08-15-2005, 11:40 AM
What's your point? In IL2 the grass seems fairly well trimmed all around. And yet, disastrous results occur when a landing is attempted.

Capt.LoneRanger
08-15-2005, 03:42 PM
Ehm, drive your vehicle around on a golf-course or prepared strip and through a field or pasture. If you are able to return from the field tell us about the result and about your 4WD-Jeep.

Sorry, but you're not really serious, are you? I mean, if you don't know the difference, I suggest you get out more....

LStarosta
08-15-2005, 03:47 PM
I run cross country. Don't tell me I don't know anything about terrain. LOL r0xx0rz.

JG7_Rall
08-15-2005, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Ehm, drive your vehicle around on a golf-course or prepared strip and through a field or pasture. If you are able to return from the field tell us about the result and about your 4WD-Jeep.

Sorry, but you're not really serious, are you? I mean, if you don't know the difference, I suggest you get out more.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm back.

It was fun.

Don't see your point.

kthx!

LStarosta
08-15-2005, 03:51 PM
So you mean to tell me that right outside the "prepared airstrip" in IL2, ground just magically gets hazardous? But as soon as you cross the boundary, it's okay?

That's some h4x freak of nature ground right there.

Capt.LoneRanger
08-15-2005, 04:14 PM
Yeah, okay, you are right. There is no reason for a 4WD car and tanks have tracks because they sound so cool.

You convinced me..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

SeaNorris
08-15-2005, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Yeah, okay, you are right. There is no reason for a 4WD car and tanks have tracks because they sound so cool.

You convinced me..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The grass is flat on IL-2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

p1ngu666
08-15-2005, 06:20 PM
worst would be clumpy grass, most places is fairly smooth

JG7_Rall
08-15-2005, 09:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaNorris:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Yeah, okay, you are right. There is no reason for a 4WD car and tanks have tracks because they sound so cool.

You convinced me..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The grass is flat on IL-2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

exactly. that's the point. i dont care that planes flip over on grass that is modelled unevenly, however when the grass looks perfectly flat, it shouldn't make you ground loop unless you hold down the brakes, esp. when you're as sick at landing as Luke and I are.

Capt.LoneRanger
08-16-2005, 01:13 AM
Ehm, it is NOT the gras making the difference. Well, it makes a difference at 150kph, but the main problem is the compressibility of untreated ground. Tanks don't need tracks to spread their weight over a large area of gras http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JtD
08-16-2005, 01:57 AM
Landing of a four engined Jet on a less than 1000m long meadow amidst forests:
http://www.schaller-lothar.gmxhome.de/landung%20IL-62.gif

Sorry for bad quality.

Still the most impressive landing I have seen so far. The pilots gave reverse throttle when still in the air.

The pictures shows, that while landing is possible irl, the DM in FB is off, look how much damage is done to the green by one single landing!

SeaNorris
08-16-2005, 05:13 AM
I was going 10mph when this happened:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/SeaNorris/grass.jpg

CKY_86
08-16-2005, 05:54 AM
lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

LStarosta
08-16-2005, 08:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaNorris:
I was going 10mph when this happened:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/SeaNorris/grass.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not your speed, Seanorris, that's your heading.


Silly goose. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

SeaNorris
08-16-2005, 01:20 PM
No seriously, I was going 10 mph aswell.

Dengue.ZA
08-16-2005, 03:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">No seriously, I was going 10 mph aswell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How fast was the plane that hit you going? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
08-16-2005, 04:02 PM
Is that plane related to Bryan Robson? He seemed to come apart on contact with a blade of grass, too.

Ta,
Norris

SeaNorris
08-18-2005, 04:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Is that plane related to Bryan Robson? He seemed to come apart on contact with a blade of grass, too.

Ta,
Norris </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Must be http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

IAFS_Painter
08-18-2005, 06:38 AM
Do remember that we are landing on rough steppe, not pasture - something like this:
http://www.kazakhstanbirdtours.com/images/steppe%20grassland.jpg
(Source [URL= http://www.kazakhstanbirdtours.com/steppe.htm)

SeaNorris
08-18-2005, 10:45 AM
Do remember the grass is FLAT in IL-2/

Propfighter
08-18-2005, 11:00 AM
I don't see why you label yourselves 'whiners'. The discussion here seems to be pretty normal and quiet, and I found some of it to be interesting to read... and funny, too1

Can someone define a whiner or whining to me, please?

Ankanor
08-18-2005, 11:32 AM
I want grass=3. I'm sick of that concrete that has grass painted on it. maybe it was a russian diversion, the nazis thought they were landing on the grass(which is almost always possible) but were in fact landing on cement that had been run over by the local cattle while still wet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
08-18-2005, 12:23 PM
The grass is undermodelled LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Actually this is the best trolling attempt I've come across since RBJ.


Anyways, if you don't like the Oleg Maddox grass, try the "Grass" here in Amsterdam **cough cough** http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
08-19-2005, 07:07 AM
Platypus_1.JaVA, the effect is the same. Easy to fly, tough to hit the floor. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Besides that, the netherlands are a perfect example how perfectly the landscape in IL2 resembles reality - just plain flatness. You can see your visitors while they are still 3 days away. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Banger2004
08-19-2005, 08:56 AM
Just read the entire thread so far, and you are all obviously 'Barking Mad' (as well as right about the grass landings). Great stuff, I love it!!

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-19-2005, 02:00 PM
You'll never guess what I've just done in Kurland. Very lucky? Or magnificent piloting skills? I know which I prefer to think...


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Grass1.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Grass2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Grass3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Grass4.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Grass5.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/Grass6.jpg

Just thought I'd throw it into the mix. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

JtD
08-19-2005, 02:03 PM
But you landed on brown, not green. This doesn't count.

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-19-2005, 02:05 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gifD'OH!

SeaNorris
08-19-2005, 02:34 PM
BS, you photoshopped that, or you put the invisible runway there, BS.

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-19-2005, 06:25 PM
Well, it was either this or a night out - thanks, guys!

Have been experimenting with QMB Smolensk and can now reveal my findings to a no doubt eagerly awaiting community....

It's fairly easy in an A-20 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MEGILE
08-19-2005, 06:40 PM
SoupNorris, with regards to your sig.. less ship, more Sarah.

SeaNorris
08-20-2005, 06:44 AM
you got the Clostermann back, oh yeah!

Moustacheo
08-20-2005, 11:52 AM
Come on, none of you can complain about the grass unless you were actually there. Ask any vet and they'll tell you that WWII-era grass was so much more springy than it is now. You young-uns, sometimes you don't know you're born!

Kuna15
08-20-2005, 11:58 AM
Have any of you guys ever watch Wimbledon tennis tournament? Now compare the ball behaviour on the Wimbledon grass, and on the for example Rolland Garros, or US Open... (all different kind of basis).
Ball is fast and does *not jump* high...

So there.

LStarosta
08-20-2005, 12:18 PM
True, true.

JG7_Rall
08-20-2005, 12:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna15:
Have any of you guys ever watch Wimbledon tennis tournament? Now compare the ball behaviour on the Wimbledon grass, and on the for example Rolland Garros, or US Open... (all different kind of basis).
Ball is fast and does *not jump* high...

So there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oleg! Model Wimbledon grass please!

SeaNorris
08-20-2005, 05:05 PM
Enough of the propaganda!

PBNA-Boosher
08-20-2005, 05:08 PM
LStarosta, you still can do that: land with an Fi-156 storch on my Bush Piloting map.

LStarosta
08-20-2005, 05:32 PM
Sorry, I like to fly with cockpit-on.

SeaNorris
08-22-2005, 07:12 AM
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