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Xiolablu3
05-29-2006, 01:23 PM
Thought this would be an interesting question compared to all the 'favourite plane' threads recently.

Which planes do you guys think make the best fight? In a map containing ground targets for the win or killing say 70 planes on each side (The usual online scenario most of us are used to)


Mine are

109G2/Me110/FW190A6 vs La5(no FN)/Sturmovik/Yak9

SPitfire MkVIII/Corsair/Beaufighter vs Ki84IB/Ki61/Zero

Spitfire MkVc or Seafire MkIII L/Hurricane IIC/P40E vs 109F4/Me110G2/Macchi 202


Another good one if there is teamwork on the server is Hurricane IIB vs Ki43, but only if the Hurricanes are using teamwork otherwise they get massrcred. (the Ki43 can outrun and outturn them but the Hurris have better firepower)

EDIT: sorry I meant planesets, I think you guys thought I meant single planes. I edited the title.

Xiolablu3
05-29-2006, 01:23 PM
Thought this would be an interesting question compared to all the 'favourite plane' threads recently.

Which planes do you guys think make the best fight? In a map containing ground targets for the win or killing say 70 planes on each side (The usual online scenario most of us are used to)


Mine are

109G2/Me110/FW190A6 vs La5(no FN)/Sturmovik/Yak9

SPitfire MkVIII/Corsair/Beaufighter vs Ki84IB/Ki61/Zero

Spitfire MkVc or Seafire MkIII L/Hurricane IIC/P40E vs 109F4/Me110G2/Macchi 202


Another good one if there is teamwork on the server is Hurricane IIB vs Ki43, but only if the Hurricanes are using teamwork otherwise they get massrcred. (the Ki43 can outrun and outturn them but the Hurris have better firepower)

EDIT: sorry I meant planesets, I think you guys thought I meant single planes. I edited the title.

Top_Gun_1_0_1
05-29-2006, 02:22 PM
P-51/P-38 A/G/P-47 VS. ME-262A-1a/ME-262A-2 a/g /FW-190

Sordid_Sinister
05-29-2006, 03:16 PM
I don't know about large-scale online scenarios, but I'd say any plane that's better than your own makes for a very interesting fight.

carguy_
05-29-2006, 03:34 PM
Online wars present many interesting missions and scenarios.


109G6 - the pilot is facing new Russian hardware and some serious teamwork is needed to even survive

FW190F8 - the pilot can move mud or go offensive in air whatever he likes;this one is also against late Russian stuff so it`s a challenge

In order to go through an interesting mission the opposing planeset must also be interesting.

P39 - their appearance always causes fantastic missions;if you face them coordinated you aint have much chance but if they`re n00bs you shootem like ducks;good for any scenario be it mud moving or high cover so being a LW pilot you really have to guess sometimes what will those planes present this time

P40 late\P47 - similar to P39,can do anything well and is a big mystery to opposing side until the real action starts.


By those interesting foes I mean you can`t really say what will they do and how good will they do it.They can sweep us Luftwaffles in a heartbeat although if flown by Yak9 junkies it`s mostly turkeyshoot for LW.

tigertalon
05-29-2006, 03:55 PM
Agree with your choices xiola, here some of mine:

Spits vs 109s are one of the best tnb fights if pilots are good; 109s are in general faster and a tiny bit faster climbing while spits turn and retain energy better... truly depends on pilot here.

Fw190A6 vs P47D no place for sissies here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Brain32
05-29-2006, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Spits vs 109s are one of the best tnb fights if pilots are good; 109s are in general faster and a tiny bit faster climbing while spits turn and retain energy better... truly depends on pilot here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Up to 1942 yes, but later a big no no

Great matchup for me would be:
Tempest/SpitMkIXe/P51D vs. FW190D9,FW190A9,BF109G6AS

hotspace
05-29-2006, 06:10 PM
As I tend to host a lot of online games with A.I Aircraft, I would add:

B-17F/G/P-47D-10/P-38J v's 109G-6/109G-6_Late/110G/190A-5 as a fav http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WTE_Galway
05-29-2006, 06:31 PM
Emil E4 vs Hawk or Hurri

J8a Gladiator vs Fiat CR42 Falco

fw190A8 vs multiple high altitude B17's

Snow_Wolf_
05-29-2006, 06:31 PM
Ki-100 vs P-51D

FW-190 A4 vs Spitfire MK VB clip wings

Yak-1B vs ME-109G2

A6M zero vs F6F hellcat

Spitfire Mk VB vs A6M zero

Ki-43 vs Hawk 81

Yak-9 vs Fw-190 A5

Spitfire HF MK IX vs TA-152 H

P-51 vs Fw-190 D9

P-51 vs J3m Raiden

F4U vs A6m late war

F4u/F6F vs Ki-84 , Ki-61 ,J3m and A6m

J3m vs B-29

Fw-190A8,R2 with Bf-109 G6 escort VS B-17, P-47, or P-51 escort

Me-110 with BF-109G10 vs B-17 and escort P-51 or P-47 or mix

B-29 with P-47 or P-51 escort vs Ki-61, J3m

G4m Betty and A6m escort vs F4f , F6f , or F4u

there is tones out there

Xiolablu3
05-29-2006, 06:41 PM
A few of those are a little too one sided for my liking Snow wolf. 109G2 vs Yak1b? hmmm, 109 should own it I think.

FW190A4 vs Spitfire MkVb is a little too one sided for me too, FW190A has to make a mistake before the Spit can even get a shot at him.

I know they are OK matchups, but I wouldnt say those 2 are classic. Classic matchups are ones where I wouldnt mind flying for either side and feel that I am at a real disadvantage.

You have some good ones in there too tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thanks for your posts guys.

P51D vs Jm3 Raiden sounds interesting, as long as the Raiden isnt outclassed, I have a sneaky feeling it might be. I will have to try that one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hotspace, yours sounds like a classic which I have never tried. Will have to try that one. Do you host on hyperlobby and is your name Hotspace on there too?

hotspace
05-29-2006, 08:00 PM
Yes m8, but I go under HG_Hot_Space. I alway's host on Wednesday's & Sunday's at 9:00pm BST http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif But it's not alway's the above game, but I alway's add the B-17/24 or some kind of A.I Planes, last sunday the B-29 & the H8K1 Flying Boat, PBN etc....in fact at somepoint all the A.I Planes m8.

My squad likes playing scenario's games where you would play with the Blenheim if it was a BoF game for example http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jaws2002
05-29-2006, 08:20 PM
FW-190 D9 Vs Yak9U/UT

and as TT said
Fw190A6 vs P47D (not the late D) no place for sissies here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG53Frankyboy
05-29-2006, 08:34 PM
i'm looking forward to Ki-27Otsu vs I-16 Typ18 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


also i like
P-39D-2/Spitfire MkVc (2 canon) vs A6M3 Model32
Mc200 vs Hurricane Mk.IIB/Tomahawk
MiG3ud vs Bf109F-2
Bf110G-2(no MK108!) vs Pe-3bis
He162 vs YP-80

and you should try in a coop mission He111H-6 vs TB-3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
flying in the Heinkel B&Z (MG-FF with human gunner)attacks on the "flying MG batterie" TB-3 , lot of fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Archer_F4U
05-29-2006, 09:36 PM
Any planeset with a Beaufighter is a great planeset.

Early P-40s, P-39s, or Hurricanes versus A6Ms and Ki-43s in the Pacific are lots of fun too.

Kuna_
05-29-2006, 09:44 PM
Finnish Hurricane MK.I formation intercepts VVS Pe-8 swarm.
That is what I call interesting. And alike.

You guys, you bore me to death with your P-51s FW-190s and such.

Vipez-
05-30-2006, 02:12 AM
TB-3 vs TB-3 (all human gunners).. Most entertaining http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Megile_
05-30-2006, 03:40 AM
P-47D/P-38J vs. FW-190A6

FW-190A4 vs. SpitVc

danjama
05-30-2006, 04:52 AM
47's vs 190's

Nothing compares. Maybe 47's vs 109's.

F19_Orheim
05-30-2006, 05:29 AM
Most INTERESTING fight????

easy, the same planetype for everyone:

J8A vs J8A

Cr42 vs CR42

etc

all up to the pilot

KraljMatjaz
05-30-2006, 05:33 AM
Nothing beats TB3 v TB3 with unlimited ammo.

F19_Orheim
05-30-2006, 05:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KraljMatjaz:
Nothing beats TB3 v TB3 with unlimited ammo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Running two TB3 against eachother in coop with the mountainmap taking off at hihj alt base with 8 players /4 in each plane/ is hillarious....

Bearcat99
05-30-2006, 06:19 AM
La5 vs A6M
La7 vs Ki84

Friendly_flyer
05-30-2006, 06:26 AM
Finnish Brewster versus I16.

Bouth are fighters with strong sides and veak sides. Such a match leaves a lot up to the pilots.

RCAF_Irish_403
05-30-2006, 06:28 AM
P40E vs A6M2-21

P40E vs Bf109F

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-30-2006, 06:53 AM
La5fn vs 190D-9

A6M3 vs F4F-3/4

P-47 vs 190A (the year dictates the models)

Ki-61 vs P-38

109F-2 vs I-16 type 24


These are probably my favorites and I'll fly for either side depending on the balance.


TB

leitmotiv
05-30-2006, 07:10 AM
One I-16 Type 18 vs. one J8A---Quick Mission Builder. Player takes the I-16. Moscow map, 1000 meters, Disadvantage, J8A Veteran, Poor weather, no target, no AA, time 0530, each with 50% fuel. The J8A will come at you out of nowhere with guns blazing and you are off to the races. A real challenge to find him in the rotten visibility, and a real challenge to outmaneuver him in an I-16 (if you want to even the odds, player take an I-153 and drop the J8A down to Average).

LEBillfish
05-30-2006, 08:02 AM
P40E & older vs. Ki-43 series
P38J & P47-10 vs. Ki-61-I-Ko & Ki-43-II (once it gets here)

Those always seem the most balanced & historical to me.

Xiolablu3
05-30-2006, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
P40E & older vs. Ki-43 series
P38J & P47-10 vs. Ki-61-I-Ko & Ki-43-II (once it gets here)

Those always seem the most balanced & historical to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are a better (wo)man than me if you can down a P40in a Ki43, I find it almost impossible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
05-30-2006, 09:10 AM
Ki-43 Ia can kill if you set your convergence at 100 meters and shoot at point-blank range. Your odds are much better with the Ic with two heavy machine guns. The Ki-43 is a fabulous flyer---just don't get hit or you are literally toast.

Favorite massive brawl: Finn Buffs versus I-153s---if you like the sound of snarling radials, this is it.

VF-51-Dart
05-30-2006, 09:16 AM
F6F, F4U vs. Ki-84, J2M3, A6M7

JG53Frankyboy
05-30-2006, 10:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
P40E & older vs. Ki-43 series
P38J & P47-10 vs. Ki-61-I-Ko & Ki-43-II (once it gets here)

Those always seem the most balanced & historical to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wondering how you want kill a well fown P-38 with these IJAAC crates ?!?!

sure P-47 and P-38 vs Ki61 and Ki43-II is very historical for PNG in 1943/44 - but very far from balanced in my point of view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEBillfish
05-30-2006, 11:00 AM
Actually Xiolablu3, I find it the other way around....Though the P40E & older type of planes have better guns and much more ammo it is almost impossible to fight a Ki-43 without pure hit and extend (far) tactics. The Ki-43 can climb with, close to speed, and even the Ki-43 with the 2 7.7mm MG's can easily kill a P40's engine. One of the best fights in the sim if you ask me.

As to JG53Frankyboy's comment, I religiously kill P38's with a Ki-61-I-Ko. The P38 is faster, but the Ki-61 holds up in a dive better. Most of all the Ki-61 besides able to zoom better can turn much better.....Speed is the P38's only heavy advantage, climb just barely. It's simply getting your opponent to make a mistake which all eventually do on both sides.....Yet it's waiting for that mistake and capitalizing on it that makes the difference.

The huge "disadvantage" for the Ki-61 is the absolutly unreal windscreen oiling.....More so in that a hit almost anywhere seems to generate it. Besides rediculous compared to other planes, it shouldn't happen. That alone making it very difficult to fight in a Ki-61.

Xiolablu3
05-30-2006, 11:08 AM
I understand how you can easily outmanouvre a P40 in a Ki43, but actually bringing one down, now thats another matter.

On a server I play on, there is a singapore map with HurriIIB vs Ki43, and I find it very hard to fly the Ki43 and actually do any damage.

Its much easier to play red and stick with your teammates, those Ki43's light up so easy.

If you can bring down P40s in a ki43 easily, the I salute you!

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-30-2006, 11:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
...As to JG53Frankyboy's comment, I religiously kill P38's with a Ki-61-I-Ko...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Me too. The bottom line comes down to the server population and tactics, but this matchup typically yields some of the best 'edge-of-your-seat' fights I've flown in lately.


TB

JG53Frankyboy
05-30-2006, 12:57 PM
than you are lucky http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

when i'm flying Hiens on PF maps vs P-38s i never meet such stupid Lightning drivers......
and when i'm flying a P-38 im untouchable by the Hiens !
and sure, the Hien has a very high Vmax in a dive, BUT its acceleration is realy poor , to say it nicely.

also in can remember VOW CCOP with P-38s in Pacific campaign - they braught always havoc among thier japanese foes in these missions - it was like turkey shoot !

R988z
05-30-2006, 02:13 PM
I like early med theatre planesets like HE111, JU88, JU87 and BF110, BF109E & F maybe early G and some italian stuff like MC202 etc against J8A, Hurricanes, early P-40s, Beaufighter, B-25, maybe even a Spit V or P-39D as well depending on exact year it's trying to depict.

Xiolablu3
05-30-2006, 02:30 PM
Which model of the Ki61 are you guys talking about?

I only know them by the guns, one has Mg151's and the other has 4x50 cals.

I would find it hard to bring down a P38 in the one with only the 50's on the Ki61. (I mean the Japanese equivevlent of the heavy 50 cal mg of course)

LEBillfish
05-30-2006, 02:39 PM
My choice for the above encounters is the Ki-61-I-Ko or 2x12.7mm in the nose, 2x7.7mm in the wings....The 4x12.7mm or the 151/20 version are ok, but the former of the 3 my ride of choice.

For the Ki-43, 2x7.7mm.....For some reason I just don't care for what was the primary type of 1x7.7mm & 1x12.7mm......The 2x12.7mm will be what I'll choose for heavier armor, and will be ALL you'll get when the Ki-43-II's arrive.

woofiedog
05-30-2006, 11:23 PM
Been having a Ball with the Pe-3 lately... a tough fight againest a Me-110.

My favorites Mig/Hurricane [any version] V/S Me-109 E series... or Hurricane V/S Zero [early versions] or any of the Ki-43 series.

Badsight.
05-31-2006, 12:38 AM
all the Bi-Planes against each other

with the I-16 , G_50 & P-11 for variety

Ki-43 only if he rides with the window open http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-01-2006, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
than you are lucky http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

when i'm flying Hiens on PF maps vs P-38s i never meet such stupid Lightning drivers......
and when i'm flying a P-38 im untouchable by the Hiens!...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>



The times I fly the Ki-61 against the P-38J's is interception while they're attacking ground targets or shipping and do it with a decent wingman or at least a bit of teamwork with other IJA pilots on the server. We vertically stack our formation and use the energy advantage to counter the raw speed advantage the 38's have.

Just last night we were on HISTORIA with about 10 pilots total. We (blue) had a mix of Ki-61's and A6M's while they had a couple B-25's with a couple P-38 escorts. These guys are good pilots (definitely no pushovers) and we were able to intercept and protect our targets for the life of the map, even when they were all in P-38's. Our toughest task was towards the end of the map when they all formed up in B-25's. Those 'boxed' bombers have profound effect on the thin-skinned IJA/IJN rides. Even so, we were able to damage them enough to keep their objectives safe enough to win the map.

I'm not saying the P-38 is a pushover for the Ki-61. Quite the opposite, it's a really close, good fight though.

TB

tigertalon
06-01-2006, 08:20 AM
Thunderbolt, that sounds like a very interesting fight!

On topic P38F (if we had it) sounds more suitable for a fair P38-Ki61 match.