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Secudus2004
07-31-2005, 04:59 PM
Just been having alook see if there was anything new being written about the old Whirly, and stumbled across this little piece:

http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/6-20474.asp

Have'nt time tonight to look into it more but it would be something of a surprise to me if there was a grain of truth in it... But say it was http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Secudus2004
07-31-2005, 04:59 PM
Just been having alook see if there was anything new being written about the old Whirly, and stumbled across this little piece:

http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/6-20474.asp

Have'nt time tonight to look into it more but it would be something of a surprise to me if there was a grain of truth in it... But say it was http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
07-31-2005, 05:07 PM
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Secudus2004
07-31-2005, 05:21 PM
I reckon the chap has got confused and meant Hurricane instead of Whirlwind http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'll see if I can get some info from him tomorrow, or failing that, the next day...Or the day after that even http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
07-31-2005, 05:35 PM
Would be nice to lay it to rest - although would be a nice one for the skinners to get stuck into, oh wait a minute...I've got carried away again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Did you spot he pay for add on Whirly for "the other sim" reviewed at netwings? Must admit I was tempted. Can't see even a Whirly salvaging that one though!

Badsight.
07-31-2005, 07:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
- although would be a nice one for the skinners to get stuck into, oh wait a minute...I've got carried away again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>ever hopefull !

VW-IceFire
07-31-2005, 07:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Secudus2004:
I reckon the chap has got confused and meant Hurricane instead of Whirlwind http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'll see if I can get some info from him tomorrow, or failing that, the next day...Or the day after that even http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not getting that impression...reason being that he mentions: Westland, Whirlwind, and the Russians having liked it.

If I were talking about the Hurricane the key phrases and words would be: Hawker, Hurricane, and the Russians thought it was mediocre.

Doesn't seem to fit...I wonder if Oleg has info on this through his sources. A curiosity question above all else.

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-01-2005, 03:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

I'm not getting that impression...reason being that he mentions: Westland, Whirlwind, and the Russians having liked it.

If I were talking about the Hurricane the key phrases and words would be: Hawker, Hurricane, and the Russians thought it was mediocre.

Doesn't seem to fit...I wonder if Oleg has info on this through his sources. A curiosity question above all else. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't argue with your logical assessment.
I'm intrigued.

Secudus2004
08-01-2005, 03:49 PM
Well, I've posted to the chap who made the comment about Whirlwinds being used by the Russian's. But as yet, I have not had a reply...

So, all I can say is, I have never been told or read anything about any P9's being sent anywhere in a combat situation, other than in this country. (Except for the one sent to America for evaluation in 44...)

I must agree with you Low-Flyer and IceFire that it is, to say the least intriguing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
08-01-2005, 04:31 PM
Just checked Bingham's "Whirlwind" - Appendix 1 lists the history of every Whirlwind built. No mention of Russia. The only Whirly to see foriegn service appears to have been P6994 shipped to the U.S.A. in 1942, as Secudus has pointed out.

Secudus2004
08-01-2005, 05:24 PM
I stand corrected, there mate€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

You Might like this, Low_Flyer€¦ It€s from my correspondence with a chap writing a book about 'You know what' It spread some light on just what happened to the one sent out to the US€¦


Hi Stuart,
Your not going to believe this one, I was at the Shoreham aerojumble rummaging as one does, when I saw a sign
all books signed by peter twiss today,
So I loitered whilst this elderly gent signed a book, yep peter twiss !!!
So plucking up courage, are you peter twiss
Yes came the reply,
I wonder do you recall being at a pilots conference in Florida in '44 ?
yes, I was in America for some time, I flew a seafire and some other types at a conference.
Do you recall a whirlwind ?
Yes, lovely aeroplane to fly, twin engined , there is a story to that,
I had to pick up the a/c , can't remember where , and fly it down to the gulf of Mexico somewhere, It had short range, so there was a need to refuel on the way, I took off and shortly afterwards the compass needle fell off , so there I was in a undistinquishable environment, with no compass, but it was a lovely day , so I put the nose down and shortly found a railway line and followed it and eventually came to an airfield where I landed and borrowed a compass, and continued the flight.
( I think he said ) I later flew it to Grumman's, it was strange this little a/c in amongst all the large Grumman a/c,
The a/c was eventually laid up and the engines removed and placed in the station commanders boat !!! ( forgot the name he told me ), don't know what happened to the shell probably dumped.
I said do you recall the dates ?
Not without looking at my logbook !!!!!!!,
Can I write to you , and he gave me his address.
So end of a eventful day !!
I will be writing the letter this weekend.
Hopefully he will have the dates and descriptions of the flights in his logbook !! I will ask him about the paint scheme.

Sadly, I lost touch with him shortly afterwards and so never got to find out anymore about the €˜Whirlwind Lost in the USA€€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif