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LoafOfBread
11-24-2008, 02:21 AM
Hi looking for tips if you don't mind? I'm working on my gunnery skills at the moment. My targets of choice are squadrons of single-engine bombers (Ju87, B5N2, IL2 etc etc). I usually put myself in a HurricaneMkII or SpitfireX or Bf109 just for practice, something with cannons.

I am hoping to get some advice on the best way to attack a formation and this is my priority:

1) Survive
2) Hopefully shoot down one or two in the process.

I do not plug any escorts into the mix.

I've tried frontal attacks, which are low risk, but also less accurate that a rear attack. I've tried rear attacks, which generally get me shot up pretty bad. Also side-shooting (Deflection?) shots which fall into the same category as frontal as far as accuracy and risk.

I've also tried the sneak up under them like Erich Hartmann and blast them at 30m tactic (I personally like to think of myself as like Hartmann, you know, minus the skill and excellent vision and courage). The only problem with this is once I get under them, I can get them in my sights at 30m for only a second before my momentum carries me up and over and into the range of the rear-firing gunner, able to take a shot right at my radiator. Maybe I'm not doing the Hartmann maneuver right?

Your thoughts? Thanks@!

LoafOfBread
11-24-2008, 02:21 AM
Hi looking for tips if you don't mind? I'm working on my gunnery skills at the moment. My targets of choice are squadrons of single-engine bombers (Ju87, B5N2, IL2 etc etc). I usually put myself in a HurricaneMkII or SpitfireX or Bf109 just for practice, something with cannons.

I am hoping to get some advice on the best way to attack a formation and this is my priority:

1) Survive
2) Hopefully shoot down one or two in the process.

I do not plug any escorts into the mix.

I've tried frontal attacks, which are low risk, but also less accurate that a rear attack. I've tried rear attacks, which generally get me shot up pretty bad. Also side-shooting (Deflection?) shots which fall into the same category as frontal as far as accuracy and risk.

I've also tried the sneak up under them like Erich Hartmann and blast them at 30m tactic (I personally like to think of myself as like Hartmann, you know, minus the skill and excellent vision and courage). The only problem with this is once I get under them, I can get them in my sights at 30m for only a second before my momentum carries me up and over and into the range of the rear-firing gunner, able to take a shot right at my radiator. Maybe I'm not doing the Hartmann maneuver right?

Your thoughts? Thanks@!

Pyrres
11-24-2008, 02:39 AM
Come in fast, hit and run and then repeate. Practice your shooting, the angle to dive in from above, getting your speed right. I have had quite success with diving from above and behind, goin under them and shoot them while zooming back up. That is of course offline, online it does not work so well. But offline it works quite well.

Basic is to have about 1000m or more advantage over the bombers and dive down on them, pull up and as they go past just shoot quick accurate shots up to their bellies and zoom back up before they have time to shoot you.

X32Wright
11-24-2008, 02:42 AM
The German tactic of WWII was to be on the 'perch' this means being 2-3K meters above your target and dive for a head on pass.

You will need to use a 'kanonenboot'(gunboat) plane aka 'a 109 with gunpods'. The most effective in the game is the MG 151/20 gunpod. The MK-108 forces you to be close to kill.

Also any Anton (FW-190 A series) are wonderful 'viermot' (four engined bomber) killer like the A-5/6s and specially the A-9.

Also when using gunpods change your convergeance to MG=400 and Cannons=550 meters. This should maximize the arc trajectory.

Good Luck!

Feathered_IV
11-24-2008, 03:45 AM
High diving beam attack, then back upstairs to get ready for another go. Only way I seem to get away with it.

PanzerAce2.0
11-24-2008, 08:07 AM
or, (not being historically accurate) you can come in from BELOW the formation, since none of the rear guns on those planes can cover that arc.

Airmail109
11-24-2008, 08:41 AM
Beam 45 degree angle at high speed with plenty of random rudder inputs seems to keep me safe, I dive away from them at about .30 after taking a 3 second burst, then come back up underneath them for a quick belly shot and quicly roll back over and dive away from their gunners. Keeping my speed up so I can climb away again and repeat.

Climbing up to them from dead 6 and taking a shot at 150-200m seems to work as well. Especially with cannons.

Enforcer572005
11-24-2008, 09:52 AM
What is really going to affect this a great deal is the skill level given to the bombers by the misn blder. If it's above rookie, gunners are lethal...just a little flaw with this sim. Even on rookie, they can be pretty rough.

In the FMB, I usually give the formation leaders average skills so they can hit the target, most of the rest of them rookie if they are multi engine, but a mix of average in there if single engine. Anything over average gives an absurd level of effectiveness, especially for hand operated weapons like most of the AC in question have.

Also, a rather annoying bug is that the gunners in Stukas can shoot well below the tail, which is kinda silly.

I have been known to go into the FMB to reduce the skill level if there are many above average. Keep in mind that the FMB guy may be wanting the story line to be affected by said skill levels, but if there are a bunch of them at high skill level, it really makes the misn totally unrealistic.

The above tactics all work well if said skill levels aren't absurdly high. The gunners are still too effective though. I hope in the next incarnation we can apply different skill levels to assorted crew members.