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BuzzU
05-03-2005, 02:07 PM
....because when BOB shows up, we'll all be flying it.

Except for the Luftwaffy.


Now watch some guys say: "No I won't! I'll be in the Hurricane". (you'll be dying a lot too)

BuzzU
05-03-2005, 02:07 PM
....because when BOB shows up, we'll all be flying it.

Except for the Luftwaffy.


Now watch some guys say: "No I won't! I'll be in the Hurricane". (you'll be dying a lot too)

p1ngu666
05-03-2005, 02:14 PM
yeah, or be in a 110 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif joinning the offensive arm of the lw...
probably like punching a bush of stinging nettles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

or we could fly the wide array of **** to average bombers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

with BOF, we too can earn VC's in our fairey battles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

HeinzBar
05-03-2005, 02:27 PM
....Or, we won't buy BoB because we're not interested in the plane set. Many of us will wait until there is an addon w/ more interesting planes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HB

civildog
05-03-2005, 02:28 PM
The whining will be epic when the 109-Luftwhiners who drop into the channel because they don't pay attention to thier engine management and gas.

There will be fist fights over the E-4/7's so they can use drop tanks.

Jetbuff
05-03-2005, 02:30 PM
I'll probably be in a 111, getting shot down repeatedly! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

civildog
05-03-2005, 02:32 PM
It's the campaign that's interesting not the planes.

"Interesting" planes don't make for an interesting game, otherwise how would you explain the way the jets are all banned on the DF servers?

Those are pretty interesting planes. So are the so -called "****" planes, but the servers for those are rare.

civildog
05-03-2005, 02:35 PM
Any "Spade" pilot who makes it back to France in one piece without wetting himself after he sees his escorts turn for home BEFORE the canny Spitfire pilots roll in for the attack gets a free beer from me at the virtual O-club when he's next taken prisoner.

F19_Orheim
05-03-2005, 02:51 PM
Yep, I will fly the Hurriehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, or the flying pen if available....

VV_Holdenb
05-03-2005, 02:57 PM
Yep Hurri for me too. With the extra ~60hp she will be http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JG53Frankyboy
05-03-2005, 03:01 PM
count me in for the Ju87B and the italian stallions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

btw, in the time frame the game will take place , no droptanks were deliverd to LW units .
btw, big mistake , not that that would have ment the outcome ofthe battle would have changed , but perhaos would have safed some german pilots lifes .

Hristos
05-03-2005, 03:06 PM
Like Bf 109 and Fw 190 when they appeared, this post is far ahead of its time.

Aaron_GT
05-03-2005, 03:16 PM
The Hurricane was moderately decent for 1940. If flown with decent winging I don't see why it should be a death trap. It had a reputation for being able to absorb battle damage (or rather the shots went straight through!)

jugent
05-03-2005, 03:38 PM
The spit is the most lethal UK/US plane in the game. It can do everything good.

If a spitpilot wants to, he can outmanouvre every other plane. The pilot get overconfident and stays to long at the same place, just for the fun of seeing FW and Me trying to catch up. After a while a enemy pilot zooms in from higher altitude and have the timing to hit the spit, and manages to cripple it and then its over.
A wing of disciplined and good spits can take on any wing of german planes in this game.

It would be great to set up a server where 1945 US/UK fights soviet fighters.

By the way the Hurricane got more kill per plane than the spit and the polish wing was the most succesful.
A flight (247.div in St.Eval) was equipped with Gloster gladiator.
The ratio for spit/Me109 was 1 to 1 during the BoB

MEGILE
05-03-2005, 03:40 PM
Old habbits, die hard.

BuzzU
05-03-2005, 03:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
The spit is the most lethal UK/US plane in the game. It can do everything good.

If a spitpilot wants to, he can outmanouvre every other plane. The pilot get overconfident and stays to long at the same place, just for the fun of seeing FW and Me trying to catch up. After a while a enemy pilot zooms in from higher altitude and have the timing to hit the spit, and manages to cripple it and then its over.
A wing of disciplined and good spits can take on any wing of german planes in this game.

It would be great to set up a server where 1945 US/UK fights soviet fighters.

By the way the Hurricane got more kill per plane than the spit and the polish wing was the most succesful.
A flight (247.div in St.Eval) was equipped with Gloster gladiator.
The ratio for spit/Me109 was 1 to 1 during the BoB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We're talking about BOB here. 1940. What are you talking about?

Hunter82
05-03-2005, 04:08 PM
I'll be in a 109 thank you...uber nOOb spit lover

carguy_
05-03-2005, 04:17 PM
A malicious thread.

Wonder why once on a period a thread appears.In this thread n00b T&B ufo drivers always are threatening "wait till we get XIV" or "we gonna 0wnz you luftwaffles!" or "OMFG THE TEMPEST IS COMING"

LOL dudes

Acting like children here.I get one impression - allied complex.
Best guns,best FM,best visibility,best DM.What do you want more?



How can a reply to this sound?

We never get to fly our best planes.I flew Me262 twice online.We Lufties always have been getting the worst hardware available.We`re used to flying underdog planes so stuff it.

As far as allied n00b planes go,I don`t care.All I care for is realistic CEM and MANDATORY high alt FM and energy FM.

I really want to think that FW190 is better than Bf109,I really want to have those two wing guns removed.


Luftwaffe online pilots have always been able to down better planes and win sorties.Correct modelling of FW190 ain`t gonna depress us either.

Whatever you throw at us,we take it with a smile(an evil smile but a smile none the less).

EURO_Snoopy
05-03-2005, 04:18 PM
hmmmmmmm 109 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

faustnik
05-03-2005, 04:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:

Whatever you throw at us,we take it with a smile(an evil smile but a smile none the less). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I won't. I'll fly that POS Bf109 but, I refuse to be happy about it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

MEGILE
05-03-2005, 04:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
A malicious thread.

Wonder why once on a period a thread appears.In this thread n00b T&B ufo drivers always are threatening "wait till we get XIV" or "we gonna 0wnz you luftwaffles!" or "OMFG THE TEMPEST IS COMING"

LOL dudes

Acting like children here.I get one impression - allied complex.
Best guns,best FM,best visibility,best DM.What do you want more?



How can a reply to this sound?

We never get to fly our best planes.I flew Me262 twice online.We Lufties always have been getting the worst hardware available.We`re used to flying underdog planes so stuff it.

As far as allied n00b planes go,I don`t care.All I care for is realistic CEM and MANDATORY high alt FM and energy FM.

I really want to think that FW190 is better than Bf109,I really want to have those two wing guns removed.


Luftwaffe online pilots have always been able to down better planes and win sorties.Correct modelling of FW190 ain`t gonna depress us either.

Whatever you throw at us,we take it with a smile(an evil smile but a smile none the less). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Best post ever, for real.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
05-03-2005, 04:23 PM
i think ill fly hurrie for RAF and bf110 for the luftwaffles

you wont be seeing me in an ugly duck spittie
thank god i got style http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stathem
05-03-2005, 04:25 PM
hmmmm B-P Defiant ; 4 brownings with an AI gunner http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif: looks a bit like a Hurricane to a BnZer in a no icons server

VW-IceFire
05-03-2005, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
A malicious thread.

Wonder why once on a period a thread appears.In this thread n00b T&B ufo drivers always are threatening "wait till we get XIV" or "we gonna 0wnz you luftwaffles!" or "OMFG THE TEMPEST IS COMING"

LOL dudes

Acting like children here.I get one impression - allied complex.
Best guns,best FM,best visibility,best DM.What do you want more?



How can a reply to this sound?

We never get to fly our best planes.I flew Me262 twice online.We Lufties always have been getting the worst hardware available.We`re used to flying underdog planes so stuff it.

As far as allied n00b planes go,I don`t care.All I care for is realistic CEM and MANDATORY high alt FM and energy FM.

I really want to think that FW190 is better than Bf109,I really want to have those two wing guns removed.


Luftwaffe online pilots have always been able to down better planes and win sorties.Correct modelling of FW190 ain`t gonna depress us either.

Whatever you throw at us,we take it with a smile(an evil smile but a smile none the less). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats why we have the Ta.152H and a flyable Do.335 rumored to be in the next patch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FW190 is awesome and the most dangerous and capable blue fighter there is. If given the choice between 109 and 190 there is no choice...the FW190 is it. The Axis has its best possible fighter...just not all can fly it.

I look forward to flying the Spitfire against the 109E, Hurricanes, Heinkels, Stukas, and more. I also look forward to Channel 1941/42 with FW190s and Spitfire II/V fighting it out....Dieppe here we come.

Chuck_Older
05-03-2005, 04:44 PM
OK. It's a n00b plane.

Bula
05-03-2005, 04:54 PM
Nope, I'll be in the G 50. Isn't Oleg & Co. modeling it and the CR 42? Remember, the Italians had two fighter squadrons and a bomber squadron on the Channel, too.

F19_Olli72
05-03-2005, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bula:
Nope, I'll be in the G 50. Isn't Oleg & Co. modeling it and the CR 42? Remember, the Italians had two fighter squadrons and a bomber squadron on the Channel, too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly, forget the uberplanes like Spits and one0whines. The good pilots will be flying Fiats (dont forget the B.R 20 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) and Gladiators.

fordfan25
05-03-2005, 05:33 PM
its going to be fun hearing them bi$%# about there planes when thay dont have an unnatural edge like with the BS fantisy and or limited number planes thay have now while there adversaires have to fly the normal and avg plane of the day . Boooo Hoooo Hoooo i want my TA-152 WHAAAAAAA wears my super cannons, why cant i kill in two hits sniff sniff sniff. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

BuzzU
05-03-2005, 05:55 PM
How did I know the Spit pilots wouldn't post here.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

In the real war you would be told to fly the Spit, and you'd all say "Not me! I don't fly a noob plane! I'm an ace! Give me one of those Luftwaffy planes instead."

Funny.

JG53Frankyboy
05-03-2005, 06:09 PM
what was the community a peacefull one in the times the game featured only the easternfront !

BuzzU
05-03-2005, 06:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
what was the community a peacefull one in the times the game featured only the easternfront ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh no. It was much worse then.

JG53Frankyboy
05-03-2005, 06:21 PM
oh yes
and i think we both watched the development from the beginning. from flying the beta version of original IL2 on.
and im sure we are old enough, im born 1966, to stay away from childish behaviour.

Chuck_Older
05-03-2005, 06:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
what was the community a peacefull one in the times the game featured only the easternfront ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh no. It was much worse then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's true. That's why I'm Chuck_Older now and not BBB462CID anymore. Childish behavior is fun. I don't complain when I pay the price for it.

BuzzU
05-03-2005, 06:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
oh yes
and i think we both watched the development from the beginning. from flying the beta version of original IL2 on.
and im sure we are old enough, im born 1966, to stay away from childish behaviour. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm a little bored. I realize this was a trolling thread. All in good fun. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WTE_Target
05-03-2005, 07:15 PM
I do like the wind up we give each other in these forums and find most the regulars have something funny or inciteful to say.

What I find childish though are the whinges that complain and complain about this plane or that.

I love the Spitfire always have from the first time I saw one many many years ago.I also admire the 109 and respect greatly a well flown 190.

I find that with experianced hands, within its time frame, the hurricane is also a killer.

Online the 190 is leathal, in the right hands you are dead before you can react !!! End of story!

What we forget is that many of the real life allied pilots didnt get to press refly when they learnt of the 190's destructive firepower and were wiser the next time.

We have that luxury and thus the virtual air is full of pilots that are to all extensive purposes at the very least Aces or the very least veterans!
The Spitfire was a plane that led to a shaking of the Luftwaffa moral the expression "Achtung Spitfire" was given to any fighter seen for a time.

Lets ask why this was ?Was it because the Germans thought it a nOOb plane or perhaps because it might have been that the plane was a dangerous advisary.

I am sorry for prattling on but if you dont like the game for what ever reason then my answer to you is simple uninstall the friggen thing and stop your incessant complaining.
And now that I have been caught by this trawling post i will crawl back off my soap box and take a breath.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

civildog
05-03-2005, 07:30 PM
Tagert, I think the more pointed question for the Luftwhiners is, "What did Galland mean exactly when he responded to Goering's question about what they needed to beat the Brits with, 'Give us Spitfires!'"

JG53Frankyboy
05-03-2005, 07:36 PM
i would be interested to know what the BoB time Spitfire pilots thought about the 109s .
most propably they werent amused when they met them , as LW pilots werent when they met Spitfires.
i think the outcome was mostly dictated by the tactical situation and luck.
sure , after Poland and Low Countries/France, here the Lw fighters met a plane that could fight at their level. and thats not "nice" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


my mayor concern about the BoB-Game Bf109E will be the manual propeller pitch .
looking forward if a CSP will again be like "set 100% rev at start and dont touch till landing" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Yog_Shoggoth
05-03-2005, 07:53 PM
Mosquitto.

Just try and catch me.

I'm sorry, were you using that airfield? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

WTE_Target
05-03-2005, 08:07 PM
Most allied pilots in the BOB thought the Germans were unsporting because they flew too high to catch and only attacked when they had the advantage then zoomed away.

I bet plenty of Allied pilots wished their Rolls Royce's had the altitude performance of the benz back then.

I believe I read somewhere that the RAF acknowledged that if the combat had been above 20 000 ft they would have lost the fight as the 109 had an advantage up there.

Hunde_3.JG51
05-03-2005, 08:17 PM
I agree with Faustnik. I'll fly the 109 but I don't have to be happy about it either.

Civildog, in Adolf Galland's "The First and The Last" it explains the "give us Spitifres" comment. What Galland meant was that if they were unable to use the 109's advantages of high altitude performance, dive, etc. by being tied closely to the bombers then his pilots would have a better chance of success in Spitfires which were superior in terms of turning and relied less on the previously mentioned characteristics. It was a comment made out of frustration of constant close escort duty. He felt a fighter pilot needed to be a free hunter, and that these tactics crippled his men/machines. And he was right of course.

Maj_Death
05-03-2005, 09:20 PM
Meh, I refuse to switch to the Bf-109. I'll take the Bf-110 thank you very much.

karost
05-03-2005, 10:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:

Civildog, in Adolf Galland's "The First and The Last" it explains the "give us Spitifres" comment.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goering: "What do you want?"
Galland: "I can't even slow down to the bomber speed without sacrificing all my mobility"
Goering: "What? You have the best fighter in the world!"
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

-----------------------------------------------
the best fighter in the world with a poor leader! that make BOB looked like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
05-03-2005, 10:23 PM
only problem i have with 190 is the forward view. maby if i flew it more id get the hang but B&Z i just cant get her lined up. also it rolls to well for me lol. but hay for some resone she can take hit after hit and keep going no problem.

crazyivan1970
05-03-2005, 10:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hunter82:
I'll be in a 109 thank you...uber nOOb spit lover </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I`ll wing ya http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BuzzU
05-03-2005, 11:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hunter82:
I'll be in a 109 thank you...uber nOOb spit lover </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I`ll wing ya http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bring an extra can of gas.

crazyivan1970
05-03-2005, 11:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hunter82:
I'll be in a 109 thank you...uber nOOb spit lover </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I`ll wing ya http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bring an extra can of gas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bring frying pan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

FatBoyHK
05-03-2005, 11:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HeinzBar:
....Or, we won't buy BoB because we're not interested in the plane set. Many of us will wait until there is an addon w/ more interesting planes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, especailly when FB will be upgraded with most of the goodies of BoB... seem I will stay on FB for 2 more years.

I think the graphics goodies will be exclusive for BoB... but so what? most of the players here can't run in perfect mode anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

BuzzU
05-03-2005, 11:50 PM
I'm not sure why you think PF is getting most of the goodies of BOB? From what I understand we're just getting a small part of the FM. I think the FM will be much more complex in BOB than what we're getting in the 4.0 patch.
What else do you think we're getting?

fordfan25
05-04-2005, 12:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
I'm not sure why you think PF is getting most of the goodies of BOB? From what I understand we're just getting a small part of the FM. I think the FM will be much more complex in BOB than what we're getting in the 4.0 patch.
What else do you think we're getting? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well we already have the plane set lol

BBB_Hyperion
05-04-2005, 12:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
what was the community a peacefull one in the times the game featured only the easternfront ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh no. It was much worse then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's true. That's why I'm Chuck_Older now and not BBB462CID anymore. Childish behavior is fun. I don't complain when I pay the price for it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats indeed Childish as we never had a BBB of such name http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hmm when did the spit stop the bad habit of engine cutout duo negative g ?

DarthBane_
05-04-2005, 04:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
i think ill fly hurrie for RAF and bf110 for the luftwaffles

you wont be seeing me in an ugly duck spittie
thank god i got style http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am not sure is it more ugly or stupid looking.
Feels stupid to fly spit for sure.

carguy_
05-04-2005, 04:59 AM
Just want to say that I respect the Spitfire as an enemy.It is good that "ACHTUNG,SPITFEUER!" saying means something in the game.

It is indeed a superb and beutiful plane.Aswell as many of ppl here I have special feelings attached to it being the only slap pilots from occupied countries could give the LW.

Only the P39 gives me the same creeps as Spit does when it is in my vicinity.

Just that pilots flying them think the pilot is the only factor here.That is just not true.

Finkeren
05-04-2005, 05:02 AM
I'll be in a Defiant for sure, if the AI gunners are half as deadly as in FB/PF that thing is gonna rule the sky! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HotelBushranger
05-04-2005, 05:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'll be in a Defiant for sure, if the AI gunners are half as deadly as in FB/PF that thing is gonna rule the sky! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen to that! Can't wait to jump into the back seat and paste some poor 109 devil :P

I can't wait just as much to fly the 109E's and Spit 1's. Who gives a fruggin cr@p about this Ubernoobunder/overmodelledgunconvergencegundamagenotenoughplanes notenoughmapsplanes/mapsunsatisfactorymg151/20.50cal.303Ki84=noob BS and just play the game!

What I reaally can't wait for is the fly CR42's! They have to have a flyable SM 79 as well. Muuuust!

HotelBushranger
05-04-2005, 05:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Only the P39 gives me the same creeps as Spit does when it is in my vicinity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I see P-39's in the air I know it's an ace flying it, and treat them with fear, respect and admiration. Not the same with Spits/109's, because everybodies flying them.

JG53Frankyboy
05-04-2005, 06:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
............ They have to have a flyable SM 79 as well. Muuuust! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this topic was about the BoB game, so, sry no SM79 flew at the channel

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm

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tigertalon
05-04-2005, 06:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
A wing of disciplined and good spits can take on any wing of german planes in this game.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, altough I have been Fw190 whiner for long time, not knowing how to deal with spit, I have to disagree on this one. If they meet on same alt, 4 or 8 Fw190A9 or D9 with pilots who know what are they doing, can take on equal number of Spits any day. Fw's are faster, so dragging (picking) enemies for (from) each other. Spits are simply too slow.

Of course, story is different 1v1...

HotelBushranger
05-04-2005, 06:04 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Sorry mate, was thinking of the wrong plane! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

BR 20 all the way!

Btw I've got that page bookmarked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif seems all of us do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG53Frankyboy
05-04-2005, 06:06 AM
sure, i like the "bullet in the parachute" thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p1ngu666
05-04-2005, 06:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jugent:
A wing of disciplined and good spits can take on any wing of german planes in this game.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, altough I have been Fw190 whiner for long time, not knowing how to deal with spit, I have to disagree on this one. If they meet on same alt, 4 or 8 Fw190A9 or D9 with pilots who know what are they doing, can take on equal number of Spits any day. Fw's are faster, so dragging (picking) enemies for (from) each other. Spits are simply too slow.

Of course, story is different 1v1... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

im same in 190, see spitfire above or co e, its gonna be real tough. but i usealy fly a5, not so big a speed advantage there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Finkeren
05-04-2005, 06:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Who gives a fruggin cr@p about this Ubernoobunder/overmodelledgunconvergencegundamagenotenoughplanes notenoughmapsplanes/mapsunsatisfactorymg151/20.50cal.303Ki84=noob BS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Supercalifragialisticexpiallydocious! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
05-04-2005, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
what was the community a peacefull one in the times the game featured only the easternfront ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh no. It was much worse then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's true. That's why I'm Chuck_Older now and not BBB462CID anymore. Childish behavior is fun. I don't complain when I pay the price for it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats indeed Childish as we never had a BBB of such name http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what you think. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif My 'name' was "BBB462CID" I don't know you, and I'm not impersonating a member of your squad or whatever. But I sure was BBB462CID

It meant "Big Block Buick, 462 cubic inch displacement", which is what you get when you bore a Buick 455 (that's a 7.4L) 0.030" over. And that certainly was my username http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif All my usernames were like that, I'm 462CID on three other forums right now.

I wasn't exactly banned from here, you could say. I never was officially banned is a true statement

BuzzU
05-04-2005, 09:18 AM
Having Buick and Jim Clark in the same post just isn't right. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Chuck_Older
05-04-2005, 10:39 AM
Hee hee, Both Jimmy Clark and David Dunbar Buick were Scotsmen born and bred. Carroll Shelby originally wanted a Buick engine for his Shelby 260

Check this out:
http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=72719

You should still be able to view the thread if you're not a member. A different guy by the name of Greg Gessler is embarrasing COPO Camaros and hemi Cudas with his Buick GS for a few years now in the Factory Appearing Stock Tire drag racing class. having folks think that all Buicks are slow Grandma cars suits me just fine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BuzzU
05-04-2005, 10:44 AM
Never said they were slow. They're just not a Lotus.

BBB_Hyperion
05-04-2005, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Chuck_Older wrote:


That's what you think. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif My 'name' was "BBB462CID"

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont worry no offense meant http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Your name is your choice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chuck_Older
05-04-2005, 10:50 AM
Well, I have touched a Lotus Elan from 1965 after I parked my Buick next to it. That kinda sorta counts. Couldn't beleive it was street driven, it was all pockmarked and muddy, looked like it had been rallyed recently, lots of little pebble sized dents on the hood and fenders. My '70 Skylark was roughly three times the size of that vehicle, and the Skylark is the same esential size as a Chevelle or GTO. that Lotus was tiny

Now, if I could take a '65 Elan and then put a Repco 3.0L V8 in it...that would be something. The Repco 3.0 from the late '60s was based on the Buick aluminum 215 cid v8

BuzzU
05-04-2005, 10:55 AM
I've driven Lotus F2 cars in the 60-70's, and dreamed of driving a Lotus 49 all my life. Never happened though.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/Jamnut/12631Zandvoort_1967-med.jpg

Sterf21
05-04-2005, 10:56 AM
BOB won't be there of here in the next 2 years...

Chuck_Older
05-04-2005, 11:13 AM
Don't feel bad, Buzz. I've never even seen a '60s F1 car with my own eyes, although I'm a big '60s F1 fan. Can't imagine what driving an F2 Lotus was like, although i do know you must have had to drive them pretty hard just to make them handle correctly

There was a '67 BT24 for sale in New England about 10 years ago. 250K would have got you a car Denis Hulme reputedly won a Grand Prix in.

BuzzU
05-04-2005, 11:21 AM
I'm sure all the BT-24's won a GP. They're wern't that many built. It was actually an F2 car with an F1 motor. Pretty small race car compared to cars like the Eagle.

Chuck_Older
05-04-2005, 11:28 AM
Well that's probably true, hadn't thought about it that way. I'll admit I'd rather have the Eagle though. Somewhere I have the Car and Driver from the '80s that has the article "Victory at Spa", and wow are there some gorgeous photos of the Eagle in that issue

Somewhere I'm sure all the race footage from all those GPs is stored just waiting to be put on DVD. I'd shell out 100 bucks for the DVD of all a season's races. I'd take '65 and '67 for starters

you have been to this website, right, Buzz?
http://www2.eis.net.au/~bramwell/jim.htm

used to be some great pics of a Lotus 49 and I think the Mag/Ti Gurney/Weslake Eagle, from Goodwood a few years back, but they seem to be missing. The website's author is a real good guy, but he had a site crash/hack a few years back and I think he lost some pics

ploughman
05-04-2005, 11:30 AM
To the guy who was expressing displeasure that the 262 seems to be banned from most servers and how unfair it was that the Lufwaffles don't get to fly their best plane, I say this:

When the boys in Crab Blue from Commonwealth Warways get the Zoomfire IX with 25lbs boost, the Zoomfire XIV (likewise boosted, non of this mincing 18lbs early '44 stuff), the Typhoon, the Tempest, the Mosquito, and the Mustang III (not to mention that heap of **** the Meteor), then you can complain about how restricted your planesets are.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

jeroen_R90S
05-04-2005, 11:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Exactly, forget the uberplanes like Spits and one0whines. The good pilots will be flying Fiats (dont forget the B.R 20 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) and Gladiators. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not just the good pilots... where do I sign for G.50?

Jeroen

LeadSpitter_
05-04-2005, 12:15 PM
I heard the luftwaffe lost the Battle of Britain and by 600 british aircraft that had negative g cutout and 8 .303s

stathem
05-04-2005, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Target:
Most allied pilots in the BOB thought the Germans were unsporting because they flew too high to catch and only attacked when they had the advantage then zoomed away.

I bet plenty of Allied pilots wished their Rolls Royce's had the altitude performance of the benz back then.

I believe I read somewhere that the RAF acknowledged that if the combat had been above 20 000 ft they would have lost the fight as the 109 had an advantage up there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think you'll find that the BoB spec Spit had a better high alt performance than the BoB spec Emil, 20,000 is medium altitude where the 109 had a slight advantage.

The reason the Luftwaffe were higher is 'cos they're the ones who'd flown over from France, using up all their gas.

Spit I should be faster on the deck too, which will be...amusing

ploughman
05-04-2005, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I heard the luftwaffe lost the Battle of Britain and by 600 british aircraft that had negative g cutout and 8 .303s </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


True, true but we also had Keith Park, our Kiwi secret weapon. If Leigh-Mallory'd been in charge of 11 Group we'd've been screwed.

LilHorse
05-04-2005, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
I agree with Faustnik. I'll fly the 109 but I don't have to be happy about it either.

Civildog, in Adolf Galland's "The First and The Last" it explains the "give us Spitifres" comment. What Galland meant was that if they were unable to use the 109's advantages of high altitude performance, dive, etc. by being tied closely to the bombers then his pilots would have a better chance of success in Spitfires which were superior in terms of turning and relied less on the previously mentioned characteristics. It was a comment made out of frustration of constant close escort duty. He felt a fighter pilot needed to be a free hunter, and that these tactics crippled his men/machines. And he was right of course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey now! Easy on the historical information. There's only so much the average Spit fanbois brain can handle. Too much factual information might take up too much of the limited brainpower that they have dedicated to Spit worship. And that would put a serious harsh on their mellow. LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Seriously, I think the Spit was a fantastic plane. But like any fighter it had its strengths and weaknesses.

My guess is you'll hear plenty of whining from the Spit fans whenever they get slashed by the Emils. Then there will be complaints that the 109s must be overmodelled. "Cause, hey, I'm in a Spit. I'm supposed to win!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BfHeFwMe
05-04-2005, 01:17 PM
Spitboy's best pray the Ju-88 isn't in there, all your London Bridge belong mine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Chuck_Older
05-04-2005, 01:39 PM
Don't worry, they already wrote a song about it

92SqnGCJimbo
05-04-2005, 06:15 PM
carguy im english and fly the spit.. but put me in a 190 a6 and youll be crying home to mummy... i see no problem with it... maybe u just need to learn how to fly it???

civildog
05-05-2005, 12:00 AM
It might be fun to hassle the ships in the Channel with a Stuka once and a while. Mainly though, I wanna fly Spitfires off grass strips in front of quaint mansions and fly under bridges in France until I come home to keep Jerry at bay. It'll be a piece of cake.

Monson74
05-05-2005, 02:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CivilDog:
It might be fun to hassle the ships in the Channel with a Stuka once and a while. Mainly though, I wanna fly Spitfires off grass strips in front of quaint mansions and fly under bridges in France until I come home to keep Jerry at bay. It'll be a piece of cake. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya - good idea! Stay low so I can dive on you...

JG53Frankyboy
05-05-2005, 08:41 AM
and this topic is still about 1940 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ploughman
05-05-2005, 09:07 AM
Guess the 190 frylots will have to sit this one out. It being 1940 and all.

Check out my satanic number of posts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

BuzzU
05-05-2005, 10:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jessi1:
Ya stay low so we 190 flyers can swoop down on those arcade mouse for joystick flyin skill less noobie smokin spits....there i said it, man i feel better now, lol just kiddin i love you spit drivers you make me feel proud when i wax your six. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See if you can do it in a 109E ace.

jessi1
05-05-2005, 10:30 AM
I cant buzz i admit it, i really do love the spit tho its a great plane, i personally dont care to fly it online mate, just my preference i guess, not to make anyone mad with my remarks its all in good fun. SALUTE

BuzzU
05-05-2005, 10:45 AM
I'm not concerned what other people think. I fly what I like. All fighters are pretty cool in their own way.

It's the bombers that turn me off.

Brain32
05-05-2005, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> quote:
Originally posted by jessi1:
Ya stay low so we 190 flyers can swoop down on those arcade mouse for joystick flyin skill less noobie smokin spits....there i said it, man i feel better now, lol just kiddin i love you spit drivers you make me feel proud when i wax your six.


See if you can do it in a 109E ace.

Buzz
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just hope we won't need 1000000000 bullets to down a spit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Otherwise I'll ask a luft pilot modelled with Luger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

faustnik
05-05-2005, 11:57 AM
And hopefully it won't take 1,000,000,000 .303 rounds to down an He111. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

jessi1
05-05-2005, 12:02 PM
Well said buzz, i must agree there all cool in there way and were lucky to be able to fly them in a great game such as this, now stop moving around so much so i can get a good shot on you...lol. Have a good one mate

ploughman
05-05-2005, 02:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's the bombers that turn me off. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really like getting a knackered & shot to buggery bomber home. That's the only thing bombers seem to be good for to me, getting almost shot down and then getting home. As long as you haven't got one of those ever-light engine fires it's good fun.

A four engined heavy would be a pleasure.

JG53Frankyboy
05-05-2005, 02:34 PM
bombermissions in COOP with all pilots and reargunners on TS can be a lot of fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
we are laughing a lot in these VOW missions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
and are quit succesfull , sure , not alwasy comming home, how was in in "the night of the intruder ":
fighter pilots are in hollywood pictures , bomberpilots wright history http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

i hope maddox will make Blenheim Mk.IV , to raid german bases in france, and Ju88A-1 , i like divebombing ships , flyable

HotelBushranger
05-06-2005, 03:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Exactly, forget the uberplanes like Spits and one0whines. The good pilots will be flying Fiats (dont forget the B.R 20 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) and Gladiators. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are we getting BR 20's? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Beauty!

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
05-06-2005, 04:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
hmmmm B-P Defiant ; 4 brownings with an AI gunner http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif: looks a bit like a Hurricane to a BnZer in a no icons server </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

jeah you have no ability to shoot forward since the turrent can't be rotated that far and the plane doesn't have other guns, so you would like bnZ well...good luck^^

Salfordian
05-06-2005, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:

Hmm when did the spit stop the bad habit of engine cutout duo negative g ?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Miss Shilling's carburettor modification was fitted as standard to merlins built from march 1941, so Spit Is, IIs, and the first few Spit Vs should suffer the negative G cutouts.

BuzzU
05-06-2005, 10:19 AM
Not really a problem. Just roll over to dive.

stoopidlimey
05-06-2005, 11:03 AM
It's going to be the EARLY SpookFire....not the noob fav. we have now. Still Spookfire pilots=NOOBS (that can't fly anything else) ..... 8^)

PBNA-Boosher
05-06-2005, 11:04 AM
I want chocolate cake.

Oh, and Hawker Hurricane Mk.I ROXORS more than puny Spitfire. HAHA!

BuzzU
05-06-2005, 11:16 AM
Well, the Hurricane is a noob plane too. So, I guess it will be the noobs against the experten Luftwaffy.
Let's see who wins.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

JG27_Stacko
05-06-2005, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
....because when BOB shows up, we'll all be flying it.
Except for the Luftwaffy
Now watch some guys say: "No I won't! I'll be in the Hurricane". (you'll be dying a lot too) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well considering that the Hurricane was much more common than the Spitfire during the BoB, than yes, I'll still be badgering the Spit pilots. I think you have made a common error, BuzzU, the Hurricane equipped many more sqaudrons than the Spitfire did in the BoB - I'll turn up some figures. To suggest that Hurri' pilots will be dying a lot - well, if that were the case in RL then history would of turned out alot differently...

Dont worry, BuzzU, you aren't the first to make that mistake and surely not the last. Somehow the Spitfire stole most of the glamour from the Hurricane - prolly due to the fact that there weren't as many Hurris' left after the war to make all those movies. Of course the arguments irrelevant, unless the good ppl at Ubi intend to model less than ten minutes of German Flight time over enemy territory - the blue side should be on at least eqaul terms with the Red, and that'll produce some good fights.

Regards

JG27_Stacko

BuzzU
05-06-2005, 01:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG27_Stacko:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BuzzU:
....because when BOB shows up, we'll all be flying it.
Except for the Luftwaffy
Now watch some guys say: "No I won't! I'll be in the Hurricane". (you'll be dying a lot too) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well considering that the Hurricane was much more common than the Spitfire during the BoB, than yes, I'll still be badgering the Spit pilots. I think you have made a common error, BuzzU, the Hurricane equipped many more sqaudrons than the Spitfire did in the BoB - I'll turn up some figures. To suggest that Hurri' pilots will be dying a lot - well, if that were the case in RL then history would of turned out alot differently...

Dont worry, BuzzU, you aren't the first to make that mistake and surely not the last. Somehow the Spitfire stole most of the glamour from the Hurricane - prolly due to the fact that there weren't as many Hurris' left after the war to make all those movies. Of course the arguments irrelevant, unless the good ppl at Ubi intend to model less than ten minutes of German Flight time over enemy territory - the blue side should be on at least eqaul terms with the Red, and that'll produce some good fights.

Regards

JG27_Stacko </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what i've read the Hurricane couldn't compete with the 109's in dogfights. So, they started using them for escort for the bombers, and left the dogfighting to the Spits.

That aside. This is a game, and players will take the best plane. The Spit of course.

I don't think I made a mistake. Time will show who's right.

ploughman
05-06-2005, 05:19 PM
Hmmm. Not sure what a Hurricane would be doing escorting a Nazi bomber there BuzzU, but you're right in thinking that Spits tended to fly interference on the Nazi fighter escorts while the Hurricanes tended to be left to take out the bombers for just the reason you stated. Statistically though, Hurricanes shot down more air-frames than Spitfires during the battle.
As for in game, you're probably right. Folk tend to gravitate towards the best planes so I suspect you're right about everyone charging around in Spitfires and Emils. Ultimately, there's a section of the community that would rather BoB feature D9s, but what can you do?
As for those who won't buy it because it doesn't have the plane-set you'll want; if you don't buy it, what makes you think Oleg'll bother to make the add-on with the plane-set you do want?
Y'all stay groovy.

BuzzU
05-06-2005, 06:05 PM
Brain fade. Of course I meant the Hurri went after the German bombers while the Spit took on the fighters. Although overall the Hurri killed more fighters. Go figure.

p1ngu666
05-06-2005, 06:20 PM
its a misconception, but hurris would be more likely to go after bombers than spits.

also, remmber if germans had a close fight, it was always a spit, always shot down by spit etc...

hurri was decent plane, also probably outturn 109s easily, easier than spit, which is a handy ability http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

HellToupee
05-06-2005, 07:28 PM
wasnt the spitfire responsible for 2/3 of the fighter kills, but with the hurrie with more kills overall

WTE_Target
05-06-2005, 09:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Somehow the Spitfire stole most of the glamour from the Hurricane - prolly due to the fact that there weren't as many Hurris' left after the war to make all those movies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is just leg pulling right,or have you read different documentation on the planes than every one else.

Look you may not believe this but in 1940 the 2 stand out fighters in the ETO were the bf-109 and the Spitfire.

This is fact and I am sure we can all quote from many sources to argue all sides of this pointless discussion.The problem we seem to have is that if an individuals favourite plane doesn't match up in game to his/hers expectations then all the other planes must be over modeled in some way.

Have you ever thought of why there were more Spits around after the war than Hurricanes.
I'll give you a hint its the same reason why there were more 109G's around after the war than 109b's,have a think about it

WTE_Target
05-06-2005, 09:23 PM
By the way Buzz I know your post was a trawling exercise and I hate you for the fact I can't resist lol :S

p1ngu666
05-06-2005, 09:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Target:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Somehow the Spitfire stole most of the glamour from the Hurricane - prolly due to the fact that there weren't as many Hurris' left after the war to make all those movies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is just leg pulling right,or have you read different documentation on the planes than every one else.

Look you may not believe this but in 1940 the 2 stand out fighters in the ETO were the bf-109 and the Spitfire.

This is fact and I am sure we can all quote from many sources to argue all sides of this pointless discussion.The problem we seem to have is that if an individuals favourite plane doesn't match up in game to his/hers expectations then all the other planes must be over modeled in some way.

Have you ever thought of why there were more Spits around after the war than Hurricanes.
I'll give you a hint its the same reason why there were more 109G's around after the war than 109b's,have a think about it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

conspiracy against **** plane fans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

BuzzU
05-06-2005, 09:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Target:
By the way Buzz I know your post was a trawling exercise and I hate you for the fact I can't resist lol :S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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WTE_Ibis
05-07-2005, 02:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Well, I have touched a Lotus Elan from 1965 after I parked my Buick next to it. That kinda sorta counts. Couldn't beleive it was street driven, it was all pockmarked and muddy, looked like it had been rallyed recently, lots of little pebble sized dents on the hood and fenders. My '70 Skylark was roughly three times the size of that vehicle, and the Skylark is the same esential size as a Chevelle or GTO. that Lotus was tiny

Now, if I could take a '65 Elan and then put a Repco 3.0L V8 in it...that would be something. The Repco 3.0 from the late '60s was based on the Buick aluminum 215 cid v8 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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SUPERAEREO
05-07-2005, 04:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CivilDog:

There will be fist fights over the E-4/7's so they can use drop tanks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Before September 1940 (at the very earliest) there weren't any drop tanks.

Much more likely to have a Bf.109 E-1 armed with 4 x 7.92 only and very little armour...


S!

Aaron_GT
05-07-2005, 05:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Although overall the Hurri killed more fighters. Go figure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There were two Hurricanes to every Spitfire in the Battle of Britain, so it's not necessarily surprising. The top scoring ace of BoB and the top scoring squadron were both flying Hurricanes, so it might be as much the man as the machine.

The Spitfire I and the Hurricane I didn't have vastly different capabilities, except that the Spitfire was a design with life left for future fighter development whereas the Hurricane was, in effect, the end of the Fury biplane line. Hawker was already working on a more modern successor - the Tornado-Typhoon-Tempest-Fury line.

BuzzU
05-07-2005, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Although overall the Hurri killed more fighters. Go figure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There were two Hurricanes to every Spitfire in the Battle of Britain, so it's not necessarily surprising. The top scoring ace of BoB and the top scoring squadron were both flying Hurricanes, so it might be as much the man as the machine.

The Spitfire I and the Hurricane I didn't have vastly different capabilities, except that the Spitfire was a design with life left for future fighter development whereas the Hurricane was, in effect, the end of the Fury biplane line. Hawker was already working on a more modern successor - the Tornado-Typhoon-Tempest-Fury line. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Spit was faster than the Hurricane. That's always an advantage. What the Hurricane had going for it was it was much tougher than the Spit. From all i've read about the Spit, it was pretty fragile. Sort of like the P-51.


btw..I've been reading a lot lately about the BOB planes, and it seems all we talk about is the SpitMk1, but BOB also used the SpitMk2. I wonder if Oleg is going to give us this? It had a good hp boost over the Mk1.

JG53Frankyboy
05-07-2005, 11:07 AM
yep, it will be interesting to see wich different variants of these early fighters maddox will put in BoB.

Hurricane and Spitfires about proppeler and engine differences.
and why not an eraly canaon spit with only 2 Hispanos , that dont fire when you pull Gforces http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Bf109E about engine and armament.

carguy_
05-07-2005, 11:13 AM
Well, the Vb ingame being the `42 model can`t even stand up to a Me109F2,and lets say it is even half accurate then `41 will be hard for Brits.

However `40 will be very similar to USAAFvsIJN ingame.LW will be getting slaughtered one by one
1.because Spit is a n00b plane
2.because online pilots aren`t so unexperienced like real RAF in `40.

faustnik
05-07-2005, 11:27 AM
Is this still going? Buzz, wasn't this a joke thread?

p1ngu666
05-07-2005, 12:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
Well, the Vb ingame being the `42 model can`t even stand up to a Me109F2,and lets say it is even half accurate then `41 will be hard for Brits.

However `40 will be very similar to USAAFvsIJN ingame.LW will be getting slaughtered one by one
1.because Spit is a n00b plane
2.because online pilots aren`t so unexperienced like real RAF in `40. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

vb is some 20-40kph slower across all heights than the real thing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
LF vb is fine tho, i think

BuzzU
05-07-2005, 12:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
Is this still going? Buzz, wasn't this a joke thread? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I knew it would get some action, but this is more than expected. Although I do fan the flames a bit.

I wonder when the Luftwaffy call the Spit a noob plane if they think we'll stop flying it, or just hope we will?

Sailor_Br
05-07-2005, 05:16 PM
Salutt all pilots ......

While I wait BOB .... my favorite weekend ride is this beauty here .... all hand made .. no kit .. all scratch built . I am a happy man while flying it !! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Favorite game ..... IL-2 -AEP - PF ...
Sport ..... Teach the nOObs how to fly a radio control airplane ..... they try to crash it !! .... and you try to keep the thing flying ..... LOL !! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif