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carts
02-12-2007, 05:53 PM
Your Country needs you............and them
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveTheReds/

carts
02-12-2007, 05:53 PM
Your Country needs you............and them
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveTheReds/

Bremspropeller
02-12-2007, 06:37 PM
I'm not a Brit but I'm an Arrow-supporter.


B-UM-P

hotspace
02-12-2007, 07:26 PM
Signed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

96th_Nightshifter
02-12-2007, 08:21 PM
Signed

smokincrater
02-12-2007, 11:55 PM
Im An Australian citizen and it would be a great shame if one of the best aerobatic teams in the world would go.

mmitch10
02-13-2007, 01:25 AM
Signed

bazzaah2
02-13-2007, 01:38 AM
signed as well.

Can't believe that they are even contemplating this.

I've really come to hate this government and the mealy-mouthed, illiberal liberals it comprises.

VV_Holdenb
02-13-2007, 03:21 AM
signed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ploughman
02-13-2007, 03:47 AM
Signed.

JugHead-usmc
02-13-2007, 04:03 AM
Sorry Bro I would but I'm a Yank! Your red arrows have my prayers. GL

sparty7200
02-13-2007, 06:26 AM
Done and Done http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

269GA-Veltro
02-13-2007, 06:45 AM
Bump from Italy!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://www.brettb.com/CanonEOS300D_Photos/Dawlish_Red_Arrows_6.jpg

JG53_Valantine
02-13-2007, 06:59 AM
Signed

ploughman
02-13-2007, 06:59 AM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mctomney/redarrows01RIAT2006.jpg

MEGILE
02-13-2007, 07:15 AM
Signed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG52Uther
02-13-2007, 07:22 AM
Signed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And unfortunately,its another sign of the times http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

MrBlueSky1960
02-13-2007, 09:22 AM
Signed...

Banger2004
02-13-2007, 12:28 PM
Signed.

The way things are going in this country, the BBMF will be next for the chop http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

GBrutus
02-13-2007, 12:35 PM
Signed.

Warrington_Wolf
02-13-2007, 02:12 PM
Signed.
There are so many other ways to save money in fact why do they need to save money, we get charged obscene amounts of tax in this bloody country as it is. Where does it all go http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif?

Are any government ministers, members of Blairs cabinet or even the PM himself lurking here? If so please post so I can rant at you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif!

Taylortony
02-13-2007, 04:42 PM
Not Signed

I would rather see the red arrows budget, all be it small, spent on armoured vehicles and body armour for all of those in Iraq and the likes........ perhaps then the case of the Seargent killed when he handed his over to someone else will never happen again......... 9 dead sparrows in formation for the public to go aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh to does not replace one life, so pack your bags and adios amigos.

my concern is the money saved will be squandered by the bunch of as*holes we have mismanaging the country now............

seen the latest TA advert to join????????? skiing, gliding. walking in the hills........... diddly squat about getting your *** shot in Iraq.... one advert they wasted millions on filming in exotic and none combat zones............... saying this could be you if you sign up.............. jeez they cannot even smell what they are passing

Warrington_Wolf
02-13-2007, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taylortony:
Not Signed

I would rather see the red arrows budget, all be it small, spent on armoured vehicles and body armour for all of those in Iraq and the likes........ perhaps then the case of the Seargent killed when he handed his over to someone else will never happen again......... 9 dead sparrows in formation for the public to go aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh to does not replace one life, so pack your bags and adios amigos.

my concern is the money saved will be squandered by the bunch of as*holes we have mismanaging the country now............

seen the latest TA advert to join????????? skiing, gliding. walking in the hills........... diddly squat about getting your *** shot in Iraq.... one advert they wasted millions on filming in exotic and none combat zones............... saying this could be you if you sign up.............. jeez they cannot even smell what they are passing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aye I saw that advert too and yes it stunk to high hell. You are probably right in the fact that the money will not get to where it is needed (like you rightly said, body armour) and end up lining some ar$eholes pocket.
If the money did indeed go towards saving lives (not just in Iraq and Afghanistan but also in the NHS too) then the loss of the Red Arrows is a loss that most can live with (me included), but it won't, the money will be squandered away as usual.
I signed the petition because other countries have display teams and don't seem to have a problem funding their military (even Russia has 2 display teams).
If the government drops the Red Arrows, where will it end? Droppping the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight? I hope not.

DmdSeeker
02-13-2007, 05:41 PM
Not signed.

I left britain a long time ago, but in the hands of the financialy responsible and pro military Tories.

The present generation of Brits have consistantly voted in the treacherous left wing; and now whine about the consequences; as if they weren't blindingly obvious ten years ago.

You guys made your bed; now you can lie in it!

(To think that a Labour politician would lie us into war and make us an American poodle....)

JG52Uther
02-14-2007, 03:39 AM
Congrats DMDseeker.Unfortunately some of us cannot run away somewhere better. Personally I would be on the next flight out if I could,but circumstances dictate otherwise.Why do you assume that everyone in the UK voted for the current crop of incompetent scum?
If I thought that the money saved from scrapping the Arrows would save our soldiers lives I would happily agree (I know guys out in the sandpit now) But we all know the money would not go there.

Termitedelight
02-14-2007, 04:00 AM
I support the RED ARROWS plus the CF-105 Avro Arrow. I'm hearing the BATTLE OF BRITAIN Anthem for their support. All serious....SUPPORT THEM ALL THE WAY!

Red_lightning1
02-14-2007, 04:18 AM
Signed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Though I do have one grievance with them... It's about time they were taken out of those POS Hawks and given nice shiny new Typhoons. The Red Arrows are a very good RAF recruiting tool that must be used to the full. To still have them in the Hawk after 27 years is a crime.

DeerHunterUK
02-14-2007, 05:11 AM
Signed, I saw a Red Arrows Hawk crash off Brighton beach back in the early 80's. The pilot collided with a boat's mast and was forced to eject, thankfully he was ok.

briyeo
02-14-2007, 11:40 AM
Signed too, TonyT has a good point but the 5th richest country in the world (so we are informed) doesn't need to choose between the two. We should have a well equiped armed force if the government want to continue as they are.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/armedforces/sign

hotspace
02-14-2007, 11:42 AM
I can see your point TT but it would be the same though if the BBMF was also under threat though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Warrington_Wolf
02-14-2007, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Congrats DMDseeker.Unfortunately some of us cannot run away somewhere better. Personally I would be on the next flight out if I could,but circumstances dictate otherwise.Why do you assume that everyone in the UK voted for the current crop of incompetent scum?
If I thought that the money saved from scrapping the Arrows would save our soldiers lives I would happily agree (I know guys out in the sandpit now) But we all know the money would not go there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I see that you feel the same way as I do about this country. I saw a TV programme a few weeks back about British people emigrating to Australia and it seems that the people who were shipped over there as punishment got the better half of the deal. I was watching the show and I couldn't help thinking "that is how Britain should be".
The guy who was emigrating had to work a 14 hour day for 6 days a week, and lay at least 80ft of carpet to make a living. In Australia he had to work a lot less hours and still get a good wage, plus the cost of living was less too.
Don't get me wrong I love this country but it seems to be in a terminal nosedive at the moment, and Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb are at the controls without a clue what to do (no offence to Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb).
I didn't vote for the pillocks who are in at the moment and to be honest I won't vote at all until there is someone who is worthy of my vote. I know it sounds big headed saying they have to be worthy of my vote but they are voted in to serve YOU, ME and EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY!, everyone should ask themselves before they vote "are they really worth the vote or am I just voting for the best out of a bad lot?".
I will end this rant with a quote from comedian Billy Connolly "if you wouldn't have a pint with them, don't vote for them"

Bo_Nidle
02-14-2007, 01:56 PM
Definitely signed. This country has bloody few things to be proud of nowadays-the Red Arrows is one of them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Blairs left-wing junta have had the daggers out for them from the beginning as they are part of the Nations heritage and thus need to be eradicated to conform to their vision of Britain. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

TonyT-you don't really think they'll spend the money on equipment for our troops do you? It doesn't work like that.The money will go into the coffers of MasterThief..sorry, Chancellor, Brown. Blair does not give a toss for our guys. He's about to take the money and run. I'd place money on the odds he buggers off abroad when he finally decides he's done enough damage.

This is just another case of the UK Government attempting to erase the past. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Wheres Lee Harvey Oswald now that we really need him? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Bo_Nidle
02-14-2007, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HotSpace:
I can see your point TT but it would be the same though if the BBMF was also under threat though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For Gods sake keep your voice down they'll hear you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

269GA-Veltro
02-14-2007, 02:27 PM
The same is happened in Italy some months ago, thank to the "our" comunist party leader Bertinotti: "Frecce Tricolori are unuselles and we must ban them"..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

In Italy we have save them in a few days...... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

About what Tony says: you can save money in a different ways, first of all fighting corruption.

Taylortony
02-14-2007, 05:59 PM
Still a NOT SIGNED

Sorry, but as much as the Red Arrows do for pulicity and excellence, I cannot hand on heart say when people are dying for lack of kit keep the Red Arrows.......

As for the BBMF that has been mentioned, well it should either be merged with the Fleet Air Rrm collection or as with that unit be taken off the Military Budget and be expected to make a go of it on its own, the FAA does so there is no reason why the BBMF cannot be made a commercially viable stand alone unit................

you may think I am being harse here and I am, the thought of selling off out heritage is abhorrant to me as an ex serviceman......... oh and before you wince it already has happened, the Rolls Royce operated Spitfire was originally sold off to allow the Hurrie to be rebuilt before Rolls Royce stepped in to buy it off the original purchasers estate upon his death..........It was a National treasure in my eyes, just like the Crown Jewels and should never of been sold in the first place.......... They would flog the Crown Jewels if they thought they could get away with it.

But the present UK governemnt would rather sell the countries assets to use the pitiful amounts in real time money they will generate to paper over their own failings in managing this country and supporting the troops sent out on a whim to bolster the likes of Blairs self important worldwide ego............

The UK I am afraid even when I was in the RAF seems to hang on to this fantasy that they are still a worldwide power harking back to the commonwealth............ this is a farce and something the politicians seem to have not got a grasp of, they send troops seriously outnumbered and woofully under equipped with a lack of basic support out to the back of beyond into the likes of Afganistan, then stand in front of the Cameras and berate the Nation that we are deploying XYZ amount of troops to lala land.. whilst keeping the true cost of these decisions in both lives and incompetance hidden from the public.

when you think the REd Arrows cost us what, say 10 million a year then this is what makes me feel sick

MPs claimed almost 86.8m in expenses and allowances last year, an increase of nearly 6m on the previous year, House of Commons figures show.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk_politics/6087202.stm

The 2005/06 payments - about 131,000 per MP - come on top of a basic salary of 59,686 and a pension.

Prime Minister Tony Blair claimed 87,342, with Tory leader David Cameron on 135,729 and Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell taking 123,617.

Meanwhile, Chancellor Gordon Brown claimed 134,586.

Winding up

Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott was reimbursed for 115,013 and Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett 132,996.

Part of this year's overall rise comes because the figures include 4m claimed by MPs who retired or lost their seats at the last general election.

This covered winding-up allowances for the unfinished casework they carried over.

MPs claimed 80,844,465 altogether in 2004/05 - an average of about 122,000.


"It's not surprising people think politicians have got their snouts in the trough"
Matthew Elliott
TaxPayers' Alliance



Up to 87,276 is available for salaries for researchers, secretaries and other staff.

Other allowances can be claimed for travel on parliamentary business, office costs, stationery, postage and computer equipment.

MPs representing constituencies outside central London can claim about 20,000 for the cost of staying near Parliament.

Ministers whose London accommodation is paid for by the taxpayer, such as the prime minister in Downing Street, can receive the money for their constituency homes.

That is Why I say no................ They will cut everything else but their own backhanders........

Taylortony
02-14-2007, 06:03 PM
And then you look at Welsh backpain http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif thats more a pain in the *** at 375.000 per day to tell you about it...

WHITEHALL bosses spent more on advertising last year than Tesco and Marks & Spencer combined, industry figures revealed yesterday.

The equivalent of 375,000 a day went on public information campaigns on subjects including "changing attitudes towards back pain in Wales".

The 137million spend by the Central Office of Information in 2006 made it the third largest advertiser in Britain after Procter & Gamble and Unilever.

The money used on adverts urging people to take more UK holidays or stop smoking would fund 10 new secondary schools.

But public information campaigns accounted for just a fraction of the Government spend on advertising which includes 800million on public sector jobs.

Latest official figures show that the COI cost 322million last year when budgets for spin doctors, public relations and marketing was included. That was up from 111million in 1997 and brought a backlash from Opposition ministers and campaigners.

The COI issues adverts for all departments, including health, transport and employment. They include controversial images to persuade smokers to kick the habit or stark warnings about benefit fraud or the dangers of sexually transmitted diseases.

Despite criticism over spending and "nanny state" warnings, last year's COI advertising spend was actually down by almost 19 per cent on the previous year.

A spokesperson for the COI questioned the accuracy of the figures which were prepared by the world's leading supplier of advertising ratings, Nielsen and refused to comment.

Shadow Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs Oliver Heald said: "Rather than improving our public services, the money has been wasted on wages of spin."

Blair Gibbs, campaign director of the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: "We don't need expensive advertising campaigns that state the blindingly obvious and we don't need Government throwing our money away on forgetful advertising that so often has that sinister nanny state feel about it.

"In the case of smoking ads, the Government actually uses our money to tell a minority how not to behave, even while it relies heavily on the tax revenue raised by cigarettes."

Tesco spent 67million on advertising last year while Marks & Spencer upped its budget to 66million. Procter & Gamble topped the league at 179million.

JG27_Dierk3er
02-14-2007, 07:08 PM
- signed -