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Monstad
08-27-2005, 03:20 PM
The winner of this competition is:

Kristorf with 'Pete Brothers VII'

Congrats Kristorf your picture will be printed and shipped off to Oleg.

I will contact all other entrants ref collecting their signatures in the next few days.

2nd - Sapper
3rd - VO101 MMaister (1st shot)

Many thanks to all who entered and to the judges.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/Monstad/petebrothers00ca.jpg

See all the shots here (http://www.screenshotart.com/index.php?showtopic=8892&st=0)

Monstad
08-27-2005, 03:20 PM
The winner of this competition is:

Kristorf with 'Pete Brothers VII'

Congrats Kristorf your picture will be printed and shipped off to Oleg.

I will contact all other entrants ref collecting their signatures in the next few days.

2nd - Sapper
3rd - VO101 MMaister (1st shot)

Many thanks to all who entered and to the judges.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/Monstad/petebrothers00ca.jpg

See all the shots here (http://www.screenshotart.com/index.php?showtopic=8892&st=0)

danjama
08-27-2005, 03:45 PM
Cheers for heads up S~

Badsight.
08-27-2005, 04:01 PM
i was told that Kristorf has been knowen to use photoshop

i hope the judges were aware of this . . . .



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having had a look thru the thread at SSA.com , all posters there deserve a http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

just fantastic work

F0_Dark_P
08-27-2005, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
i was told that Kristorf has been knowen to use photoshop

i hope the judges were aware of this . . . .



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having had a look thru the thread at SSA.com , all posters there deserve a http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

just fantastic work </div></BLOCKQUOTE>yeah but his screen was of a Spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Monstad
08-27-2005, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
i was told that Kristorf has been knowen to use photoshop

i hope the judges were aware of this . . . .

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

editing was allowed in this contest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

danjama
08-27-2005, 04:40 PM
I gotta say i dont think his picture deserved to win IMO, Photoshopped or not! There are much nicer pics there. Oh well. Just a thought.

Monstad
08-27-2005, 04:52 PM
well, someone has to win and everyone has an opinion. This competition was judged by pro aviation artists and myself, if it was judged by other people another shot may have won, that goes for any competition, but you have to agree that pro aviation artists know what they are talking about? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BelaLvgosi
08-27-2005, 04:53 PM
Nice winner!

My faves where sapper's 1st,4 shade's one for it's simplicity and beauty and major setback's one.

danjama
08-27-2005, 05:23 PM
"you have to agree that pro aviation artists know what they are talking about?" perhaps but i guess we all have our tastes. even professionals. i prefer the shots with action and feeling and meaning. But thats just me.

spitzfiya
08-27-2005, 05:35 PM
Well i don't understand why that picture won... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I think you should of printed off this and sent it to Oleg...I mean common!! It's awesome!! represents aircombat, And has an IL2...


http://www.screenshotart.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=23633

xTHRUDx
08-27-2005, 06:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This competition was judged by pro aviation artists and myself..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

judged according to what standards, if i may ask?

Monstad
08-27-2005, 06:09 PM
I have to say I think it is very disrespectful to the winner to state you don't think it should have won - your opinion should be expressed with less vigour. Kristorf won - get over it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Monstad
08-27-2005, 06:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This competition was judged by pro aviation artists and myself..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

judged according to what standards, if i may ask? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol, WHO IS BETTER PLACED TO JUDGE THAN PRO AVIATION ARTISTS - YOU!?

geez

danjama
08-27-2005, 06:17 PM
what kind of aviation artists? airlines? i mean that could mean anything. And i dontthink i was cold about it, its a nice shot, but not imo what il2 is about. I mean if there was a shot to prove what Oleg set out to create, that spit wouldnt be it. Ask Oleg...

Badsight.
08-27-2005, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Monstad:
This competition was judged by pro aviation artists . . . . . . and myself </div></BLOCKQUOTE>lol ! , i love how you tacked on the "and myself" !

but seriously , Kristorf knows me & i know hes a skinner , the photoshop mention was just a bad deviation into sarcasm

of course those pics have been into the photoshop ! & the editors should be proud of themselves , fantastic work ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif (& that website aint half bad either !)

(btw , i did like that Sturmo shot up above as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

Monstad
08-28-2005, 12:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
what kind of aviation artists? airlines? i mean that could mean anything. And i dontthink i was cold about it, its a nice shot, but not imo what il2 is about. I mean if there was a shot to prove what Oleg set out to create, that spit wouldnt be it. Ask Oleg... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Miltary Aviation Artists, the kind who know what they are talking about, which is why I asked them. This competition was not about making a shot that sums up what IL2 is all about, it was to select a picture to present to Oleg from the screenshot community.

If you know what Oleg wants please make a picture and send it to him. I will be making a further picture with fellow screenshot artists to present to Oleg, which will be designed to try and capture what IL2 is all about. This competition was not an attempt to do that.

F19_Olli72
08-28-2005, 01:07 AM
I got to agree with Monstad here, so what if you personally think there was a better picture. Just like ppl has different preferences when it comes to planes its the same with screenshots.

Instead of just whining and ragging down on them, congratulate the winner and hold your own contest then. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Congrats Kristorf, and thanks Monstad + judges + everyone who entered http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

VV_Holdenb
08-28-2005, 01:41 AM
Congratulations Kristorf, great skin! ~S

Good competition. This community has a lot of talent. Wish I had more time to try and produce such quality "art".

KRISTORF
08-28-2005, 01:43 AM
Cheers Monstad,

Badsight http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Just for the record, it is 'as seen' on my PC

Athlon 3400 64,
2gb PC400 ram
PCIe SLI'ed 6800gt's

Thx for nice comments,
as for others, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and all should respect that opinion, saves arguements and bad feelings.

Badsight.
08-28-2005, 01:46 AM
oh great , hes a "hardware" cheater then . . . . .

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

KRISTORF
08-28-2005, 02:12 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

BlakJakOfSpades
08-28-2005, 03:46 AM
kristorf totally cheated, he has more than twice as much ram as me, and a better card to boot!

Dutch60
08-28-2005, 03:53 AM
My choice would be one of these two. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://www.pumaszallas.hu/egyeb/MM/mm1.jpg

http://www.pumaszallas.hu/egyeb/MM/mm2.jpg

Monstad
08-28-2005, 05:21 AM
The two above are good and the 1st one did come third http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaNorris
08-28-2005, 05:39 AM
Don't take this the wrong way Monstad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

1,2,3 all are good, so I thought they all should go to Maddox http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Monstad
08-28-2005, 06:14 AM
Well I doubt Oleg has room for 3 pictures and are you going to pay for the extra printing and framing? If so I have a paypal account http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Another picture for Oleg is being developed right now by screenshot artists at SSA to be given to Oleg at the same time - two is enough me thinks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaNorris
08-28-2005, 06:48 AM
Yeah I will send you the money, give me admin rights at SSA http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Chuck_Older
08-28-2005, 07:22 AM
Kristorf's pic is perfect composition. The aircraft is shown to it's best effect, the background highlights the aircraft perfectly, nothing to detract from the focus of the shot

This is how a pro photographer would want to take the shot, it seems to me

A well deserved victory

Weather_Man
08-28-2005, 07:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Kristorf's pic is perfect composition. The aircraft is shown to it's best effect, the background highlights the aircraft perfectly, nothing to detract from the focus of the shot

This is how a pro photographer would want to take the shot, it seems to me

A well deserved victory </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed with that Chuck, and well put.

I would have been hard-pressed to pick a winner for this one had I voted. Many, many great entries!

LeadSpitter_
08-28-2005, 10:04 AM
monstads judging skills were influenced by his favorite ac the spitfire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

still great stuff

BaronUnderpants
08-29-2005, 09:08 AM
Totally agree with Monstad.

Good work Kristorf and congrats.

BTW. the 2 other screens while very, very nice me think they show more of what u can do with Photoshop and to me doesnt seem to chach any perticular mood. But they are still very nice pics and shows extreme detail and hard work.

Cudos.


With Kristofs pic. a can see the Spit making a wide climbing turn to the right, higher and higher above the clouds into the sun. The sound of the engine, the feeling.

Cheesy i know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

F19_Ob
08-29-2005, 11:32 AM
Congrats Kristorf! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

KRISTORF
08-29-2005, 12:18 PM
Thx fellas, again... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Monstad
08-29-2005, 12:35 PM
It's very difficult to agree with someone called BaronUnderpants but I do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Please remember there were other judges, this did not win because I may or may not have voted for it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaNorris
08-29-2005, 01:16 PM
Monsta, totally awful choice, it should have been pink http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

PBNA-Boosher
08-29-2005, 01:24 PM
Congrats Kristorf! A Salute for a good competition.

KG26_Alpha
08-29-2005, 04:46 PM
Congratulations Kristorf

Very nice composition and skin, the Spits look great in screenshots for some reason IMHO.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/alpha1/Spit9es.jpg

S!

xTHRUDx
08-29-2005, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Monstad:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This competition was judged by pro aviation artists and myself..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

judged according to what standards, if i may ask? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol, WHO IS BETTER PLACED TO JUDGE THAN PRO AVIATION ARTISTS - YOU!?

geez </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

still asking my question here. please, don't respond with another question. i am just looking for an answer.

Weather_Man
08-30-2005, 07:15 AM
The shots are judged by standards of artistic principle and professional experience. There is absolutely no reason to question the veracity of the judges. I find it rather insulting to do so.

xTHRUDx
08-30-2005, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...standards of artistic principle... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

can you elaborate on this?

ku101_Star-C
08-30-2005, 09:39 AM
xTHRUDx, as a professional graphic designer who has returned to college in order to teach at the college level, I can tell you that there are a number of "design principles" that lead to a piece of artwork or composition being good. I won't go into a dissertation on the subject here, since I could go on for years on the topic (people receive doctorates in this). However, let me refer you to a couple of website sites that review these principles:

http://char.txa.cornell.edu/language/principl/principl.htm

http://www.mundidesign.com/presentation/index2.html

http://www.johnlovett.com/test.htm

Kristorf's piece embodies these principles. Moreover, the simplicity of the composition, the play of light and shadow, along with the color combination work extremely well together. Also, there was no heavy-handed use of Photoshop in this image. Beyond that, there is a "Zen" nature to a piece of artwork - if you can point to something that is right, then you can also point to something that is wrong. A good piece of artwork just "is." Kristorf's piece works in this respect as well. Finally, there is the personal taste of the judges - everyone has an opinion, and that opinion may not coincide with yours. Unfortunately, that's life.

I don't mean to be condescending here; I'm just trying to give you a quick insight into graphic design and why (most likely) Kristof's piece was chosen over the others. Hopefully I've been clear and this will make sense to you. Feel free to ask questions - either here or as a PM.

Oh, and congratulations Kristof - nice work, mate!

-Starchilde

KG26_Alpha
08-30-2005, 10:55 AM
The age old debate of "What is art"

Its obvious that those that "dont see it" never will and no amount of explanation will sway thier thought process.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

PS: Had it been a P51 this thread would have been 50 pages long by now lol.

KRISTORF
08-30-2005, 11:09 AM
I'd better start 'bumping' then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Obi_Kwiet
08-30-2005, 01:06 PM
It'd be nice a large Wallpaper, but in it's current thumbnail size, it's about worthless. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Gimme bigness! (Could you do a 1680 x 1050?) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KRISTORF
08-30-2005, 01:17 PM
Heres the same one again, as 1024x768.

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/3649/petebrothers00ca.jpg

and another angle

http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/9899/petebrothers45pt.jpg

Monstad
08-30-2005, 04:37 PM
Nice post Starchilde.

I did not want to post a similar explanation as for someone to actually have the cheek to question pro Aviation Artists suitability to judge aviation art is ridiculous.

xTHRUDx
08-31-2005, 12:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ku101_Star-C:
xTHRUDx, as a professional graphic designer who has returned to college in order to teach at the college level, I can tell you that there are a number of "design principles" that lead to a piece of artwork or composition being good. I won't go into a dissertation on the subject here, since I could go on for years on the topic (people receive doctorates in this). However, let me refer you to a couple of website sites that review these principles:

http://char.txa.cornell.edu/language/principl/principl.htm

http://www.mundidesign.com/presentation/index2.html

http://www.johnlovett.com/test.htm

Kristorf's piece embodies these principles. Moreover, the simplicity of the composition, the play of light and shadow, along with the color combination work extremely well together. Also, there was no heavy-handed use of Photoshop in this image. Beyond that, there is a "Zen" nature to a piece of artwork - if you can point to something that is right, then you can also point to something that is wrong. A good piece of artwork just "is." Kristorf's piece works in this respect as well. Finally, there is the personal taste of the judges - everyone has an opinion, and that opinion may not coincide with yours. Unfortunately, that's life.

I don't mean to be condescending here; I'm just trying to give you a quick insight into graphic design and why (most likely) Kristof's piece was chosen over the others. Hopefully I've been clear and this will make sense to you. Feel free to ask questions - either here or as a PM.

Oh, and congratulations Kristof - nice work, mate!

-Starchilde </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thank you for the mostly straight answer. it's difficult to get one aournd here nowdays. now that i know what these standards are, i can now look at all the submissions with a this new info. i didn't submit a pic nor do i know any of the artist who did. i don't care who won, never did. i was just curious what rule book these artist were using.

ku101_Star-C
08-31-2005, 05:44 AM
You're very welcome xTHRUDx. I find it is much easier work with people and change minds on a forum by being straight up and informative rather than snide and sarcastic. Especially since it's difficult to "hear" a person's meaning when you are simply reading their words. You never really know how a comment was meant to be taken.

In any event, I'm just glad I could help.

-Starchilde

Monstad
08-31-2005, 06:08 AM
I asked pro aviation artists to judge this competition so that it would be judged without bias and with knowledge on the subject.

For anyone to question their suitabilty is amazing. Their 'rule book' should not be questioned, but pleasing everyone is a steep mountain http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ku101_Star-C
08-31-2005, 09:46 AM
I apologize Monstad. My comment about "snide and sarcastic" was not meant towards you - it was meant as a comment about Internet forums in general. Your comments have been above board here and to the point.

Again, I apologize if my comments have offended you. That was not my original intent.

-Starchilde

Monstad
08-31-2005, 09:54 AM
Thanks for the reply m8,

if I have mis-read anyone's intentions in this thread then I apologise. This competition has been subject to a number of mindless and ignorant criticisms elsewhere and I am perhaps getting over defensive.