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Choctaw111
06-02-2007, 08:41 PM
I got a wonderful opportunity to chat with Oblt. Walter Schuck, a Luftwaffe pilot with 206 confirmed kills. While talking with him I could not resist asking him about what he thought of the Spitfire, being that I fly with the RAF23/33 squadron. I filmed the interview and is available at this link http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccou...SchuckInterview1.flv (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/WalterSchuck/?action=view&current=WalterSchuckInterview1.flv) and this one http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccou...SchuckInterview2.flv (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/WalterSchuck/?action=view&current=WalterSchuckInterview2.flv) It is not very long but very interesting to hear what he has to say. I also took a photo of him signing my book "The Great Book of WW2 Airplanes".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/WalterSchuck/DSC00017-1.jpg
He thought very much of the Spitfire (as he said they were superior) and was only able to shoot one down despite the fact they were forbidden to pursue them as fuel was such a valuable commodity (and other obvious reasons) and they would never catch them! He was able to catch it due to an altitude advantage. It is always a great moment to be able to talk to men like this and hear what the war was like from their perspective.

In a strange twist I was also able to talk to the man who was finally able to shoot down Oblt. Walter Schuck, then 1LT Jo Peterburs (retired Colonel)who is now good friends with Walter. Here is a photo I took of Col Peterburs signing his name right next to Oblt. Schuck's name under the picture depicting his aerial victory over Walters Me262.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/WalterSchuck/DSC00018-1.jpg
This was a very memorable time for me and will be a moment I will always treasure.

Choctaw111
06-02-2007, 08:41 PM
I got a wonderful opportunity to chat with Oblt. Walter Schuck, a Luftwaffe pilot with 206 confirmed kills. While talking with him I could not resist asking him about what he thought of the Spitfire, being that I fly with the RAF23/33 squadron. I filmed the interview and is available at this link http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccou...SchuckInterview1.flv (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/WalterSchuck/?action=view&current=WalterSchuckInterview1.flv) and this one http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccou...SchuckInterview2.flv (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/WalterSchuck/?action=view&current=WalterSchuckInterview2.flv) It is not very long but very interesting to hear what he has to say. I also took a photo of him signing my book "The Great Book of WW2 Airplanes".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/WalterSchuck/DSC00017-1.jpg
He thought very much of the Spitfire (as he said they were superior) and was only able to shoot one down despite the fact they were forbidden to pursue them as fuel was such a valuable commodity (and other obvious reasons) and they would never catch them! He was able to catch it due to an altitude advantage. It is always a great moment to be able to talk to men like this and hear what the war was like from their perspective.

In a strange twist I was also able to talk to the man who was finally able to shoot down Oblt. Walter Schuck, then 1LT Jo Peterburs (retired Colonel)who is now good friends with Walter. Here is a photo I took of Col Peterburs signing his name right next to Oblt. Schuck's name under the picture depicting his aerial victory over Walters Me262.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/WalterSchuck/DSC00018-1.jpg
This was a very memorable time for me and will be a moment I will always treasure.

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-02-2007, 08:52 PM
Thanks for posting that. Good stuff! I had some trouble making out the conversation a bit though. This wouldnt happen to be taking place in Reading would it? Ill be there Sunday and would love to spend some time with this living legend.

S!

Choctaw111
06-02-2007, 08:58 PM
Reading it is. I am less than 10 miles from there. I will be there again tomorrow (Sunday) till around 1:00.

Xiolablu3
06-03-2007, 12:33 AM
NIce job!

I also has some trouble making out what he is saying tho. COuld you do a transcript seeign as its only a short movie?


WHat planes did he fly apart from the Me262 CHoc? I wish I could hear about how the P51 managed to catch him in his Me262, I bet its a great story.

I am interested to know juat what plane the SPitfire was superior too in his opinon.

EDIT: Never mind, I just googled it, he flew just Bf109's.

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-03-2007, 12:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
Reading it is. I am less than 10 miles from there. I will be there again tomorrow (Sunday) till around 1:00. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I live in Mt. Union, PA. My bud and I will be there Sunday, we are heading out around 8am and should be there around 10am. We will be hanging out all day. I most likely will be wearing a white tank as seen in my avatar with black gym pants and a pair of shades. If you see me give a holla!

DmdSeeker
06-03-2007, 02:56 AM
Great post!

Hanglands
06-03-2007, 03:12 AM
Hi,

Yep - good post.

Where is this place in Reading? What gallery is it?

I had the pleasure of meeting him earlier this year at Aces near Aylesbury.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/Luftwaffe.jpg

We managed a bit of a laugh and a joke, though I speak no German. Walter Wolfrum interpreted.

I wonder how many unconfirmed victories he had after he went onto 262s?

Regards.

Heliopause
06-03-2007, 03:19 AM
Great material!!
At the end of movie 1 he speaks of his "muten ausgeklapt" / his trues came out.

Somebody good in German/Englisch?

JG52Uther
06-03-2007, 03:45 AM
Hanglands I am assuming it is Reading, Pasadena, USA. I met Schuck at Oppenheim in 2005.

StG2_Schlachter
06-03-2007, 05:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Heliopause:
Great material!!
At the end of movie 1 he speaks of his "muten ausgeklapt" / his trues came out.

Somebody good in German/Englisch? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My transcript of the Interview.
Herr Schucks responses where a mix of
German and English. I corrected some sentences
to a more correct English.


C= Choctaw
S= Herr Schuck
3= person next to Schuck

PART 1

C: "So what are your thoughts about the Spitfire?"
S: "Ja, uh, I shot only one Spitfire. Uh, Aufklärer Spitfire" (PR Spit), "a Spitfire for photography."
C: "Reconaissance."

s: "She makes 600 kph and I matched this with that Messerschmitts 450 kph. I am higher in the first place
when I go through 9000m.And I come back" (down) "for the Spitfire at 6000m and I got him. I had
a lot of speed. 800 kph"

C: "???"
S: "800 speed and ,uh, my...was ist..." (asking the person next to him: "what is..meine Niete? Meine Niete sind ausgeplatzt bei der übergeschwindigkeit").
"My rivets where bursting out as I oversped."


C: "???"


PART 2


C: "So you thought the Spitfire was pretty good?!
S: "Ja,.."(could not understand what he said - he talked about the speed/weight of the Spitfire)


3: "It (this type of Spitfire) was very empty, okay, and had only the cameras onboard, you see. They were only
equipped so they..." (could do reconaissance). The reconaissance Spitfire over Petsamo and Murmansk
were very quick. And they said it was forbidden to hunt it. Because of the leakage of,uh, there was not so
many gas...gasoline.


The last sentence was something along the lines of: "But generally we knew it was forbidden, sorry."



Not perfect, but maybe it helps.

woofiedog
06-03-2007, 05:32 AM
Extremely Mint video clip... Thank's for posting.

Bewolf
06-03-2007, 06:28 AM
Anybody else noticed the insignia of JG5 "Eismeer" on the shirt of the guy to Schucks right?

I want that!

karost
06-03-2007, 07:47 AM
Thanks for posting
and Thanks for translate to English.


....
"800 speed and ,uh, my...was ist...
My rivets where bursting out as I oversped."
....

well man, I like this moment http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S~

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-03-2007, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Hanglands I am assuming it is Reading, Pasadena, USA. I met Schuck at Oppenheim in 2005. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its WW2 weekend in Reading, Pennsylvania. I heading there now.

S!

Choctaw111
06-03-2007, 11:43 AM
Here is a photo of Oblt. Schuck and I together.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/PublicPhotoAccount2/WalterSchuck/DSC00047-1.jpg

Dtools4fools
06-03-2007, 01:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">....
"800 speed and ,uh, my...was ist...
My rivets where bursting out as I oversped." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Intersting:

Knoke describes himself downing one of those hot recon Spits in a similar matter - only possible to get him with height advantage.

And Closterman describes how his and his wing man go up in a high alt Spit with reduced weapons, etc to counter a high flying German recce plane which turned out to be some 109 recce at very high altitude. His wingman gets the credit for the kill but he pops the rivets as well when getting out of the dive - too such an extent that the Spit is a write off IIRC.

Choctaw111,

looking at the pic of you and Mr Schuck I now realize why those German pilots didn't find the cockpit of the 109 as too small... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

*****

AKA_TAGERT
06-03-2007, 02:25 PM
VERY COOL!

thanks for taking the time to capture some history and to post it here!

Haigotron
06-03-2007, 04:12 PM
absolutely mint, thanks alot for sharing! Awesome that former enemies are close friends now! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
06-03-2007, 04:45 PM
I got to meet him as well, charming fella. We over slept and got there late and the weather was crappy. The P-47, Hurricane, P-51, P-40 and some others had already left. But I got to see the Yak-9 up close and watch it fly so it was worth the 2 1/2 hour trip.

I talked to a staff member of the museum about the 109. He said it was coming down with the Hurri and about half way reported brake trouble. I said there is always next year I guess. He responded "if we even invite them back". I guess they are getting tired of being stood up...lol.

We are already talking and dreaming about next year! Hope its a better day.

Xiolablu3
06-06-2007, 07:23 AM
This post got me interested in learning more about this guy, I found some good stuff in books and theres even a wikipedia page about him..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Schuck

http://www.acepilots.com/german/ger_aces.html

He also listed on all the top LW aces pages. The numbers he shot down are just incedible when you look at them on a day to day basis. He got 12 in one day at one time.

Makes it even MORE intereting to read about when you can see pictures of the man today and know hes still around.

wayno7777
06-06-2007, 07:57 PM
Choctaw, great photos! Do you mind if I put them on my hard drive? My shots didn't turn out too well.
By the way, I live just outside Allentown....

Esel1964
06-07-2007, 12:25 AM
WOW that's very cool Choctaw!
Large Congrats!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

mortoma
06-07-2007, 02:44 PM
Not able to catch Spits?? He must be talking about very late war Mks. or something. Maybe late Mk.IXs
and above?? Now those were pretty fast. Mk.VIII and lower were not all that fast.

BOA_Allmenroder
06-07-2007, 07:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
I got to meet him as well, charming fella. We over slept and got there late and the weather was crappy. The P-47, Hurricane, P-51, P-40 and some others had already left. But I got to see the Yak-9 up close and watch it fly so it was worth the 2 1/2 hour trip.

I talked to a staff member of the museum about the 109. He said it was coming down with the Hurri and about half way reported brake trouble. I said there is always next year I guess. He responded "if we even invite them back". I guess they are getting tired of being stood up...lol.

We are already talking and dreaming about next year! Hope its a better day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BOA Allmenroder and BOA Weasel53 were there on friday and saturday. It was a big letdown that the '109' did not show up, and well, call me unimpressed with the demo the Hurri put on (basically flying patterns with 2 P40s, 1 P47 and a P51).

I have to say, however, that the demo the Yak 9 put on (equipped with an Allison engine so not an 'original') was quite impressive. Man, that thing can maneuver, climb and turn on a dime!!!

Very fast as well.

Xiolablu3
06-07-2007, 07:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
Not able to catch Spits?? He must be talking about very late war Mks. or something. Maybe late Mk.IXs
and above?? Now those were pretty fast. Mk.VIII and lower were not all that fast. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I guess it all depends on what plane he was flying and the condition of that plane, and what Spitfires he was facing.
The one he shot down he is talking about a Recon Spitfire with limited guns , if any, and very light built for pure speed.

He must have also faced 'normal' Spits tho, so I am not sure.

If hes in a Bf109G6 (The most common Bf109) and hes facing a Spitfire VIII/IX or better, then hes going tohave trouble shooting it down, just like people do online.

Maybe 'We would never catch them' meant 'We would never be able to shoot them down' as in the SPitfire could outmanouvre the Bf109 if it got into range.

Just guessing. If anyone else has explanations on this, pls explain.

Thijs_JG3
06-08-2007, 11:01 AM
Hello all,

I was at the MAAM WW II weekend as well. I narrated Schuck on the first day when he held his speech in the tent there. The next two days Horst Kube told Schuck his story, Mr. Kube helps schuck with his travelling around the world and was Schuck his co-writer in Schuck his book "Abschuss"¯.

During the Q&A on the first day with Walter Schuck and Joe Peterburs ( The P-51 pilot who shot Schuck down) a member of the attending public asked Schuck a question about the time he shot down 12 airplanes on one day.

Schuck corrected him on this, he shot down 12 airplanes in 24 hours, from 06:00 to 06:00. There was a German convoy supplying German troops who fought in northern Norway. The Russians engaged this convoy with a lot of bombers escorted with fighters. Of those aircraft which attacked the convoy and the escort fighters he shot down 11.
The last kill he scored that day was a reconnaissance Spitfire PR IV at an altitude of 7.500 meter #1. The plane he used was a Messerschmitt Bf109G-6 on the 18th of June 1944 #2

The story as Schuck told it.
The Spitfire that was shot down by him was doing recon patrols over the German held territory. The knew that the spitfire had 3 different recon routes over several important location ( The harbour of Kirkenes and 3 German airfields in the area (Petsamo, Kirkenes and Salmijävri # 3 ) It was known that this spitfire was faster than the German planes at that altitude. The only chance they had to shoot it down was to climb higher than the spitfire and catch it in the dive.
After the recon Spitfire was sighted both Schuck and his wingman Lt. Gayko scrambled from their airfield at Petsamo to intercept the Spitfire. When they knew the route of the spitfire was known the went to the airspace over the airfield of Petsamo at an altitude of about 9.000 meters. When they spotted the Spitfire they positioned themselves they dived on the Spitfire and after a chase of about 2 minutes Schuck opened fire on the spitfire. The Spitfire pilot bailed out safely and after the Pilot bailed out the Spitfire exploded somewhat later.

This Spit was Schuck his 12th kill in 24 hours as described by him to me on June 1st of this year on the MAAM airshow in Reading, Pennsylvania.

From what I heard from him this was the only Spitfire he shot down.


# 1 The Spitfire was Russian flown but apparently with British markings Spitfire MK IV. Unarmed and with a camera for recon photography, details from Shuck his book "Abschuss"¯ page 155 and 241)


# 2 see page 155 in Schuck's book "Abschuss"¯

# 3 see page 110 in Schuck's book "Abschuss"¯

Blutarski2004
06-08-2007, 11:26 AM
Taking absolutely nothing away from Herr Schuck's great achievement, but it might help to mention that there are about 22-23 hours of daylight in that high latitude during the summer.

josephs1959
06-08-2007, 02:17 PM
I'm Very Envious of you! I would love to talk with an actual German WW II pilot. It's good to hear that there are some still living. Tell me where did this meeting take place? And thanks for sharing.