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FW189
02-27-2006, 11:21 PM
The Jap main force fighter KI-44 doesn't appear in the IL2 Pacific Fighters ,why?

Army Fighter Type 2 Nakajima Ki-44 "Shoki" for CFS2
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FW189
02-27-2006, 11:21 PM
The Jap main force fighter KI-44 doesn't appear in the IL2 Pacific Fighters ,why?

Army Fighter Type 2 Nakajima Ki-44 "Shoki" for CFS2
http://pigeonh.free.fr/ki-44iib_09.gif

http://pigeonh.free.fr/ki-44iib_02.gif

Feathered_IV
02-28-2006, 02:25 AM
Apparently the starboard cockpit wall was lacking in references so the aircraft was not included.

nakamura_kenji
02-28-2006, 03:24 AM
3d modeler disppeared also >_<

it was started
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/Ki-44Shoki.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/Ki-44Shoki7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/Ki-44Shoki4.jpg
p_q

MercilessFatBoy
02-28-2006, 04:01 PM
perhaps it will come wiht thhe rumored Pacific fighters add on wiht more japanese aircraft flyables... lets hope.... if this plane is included then we will have a completed set for the JAAF aircraft set of fighters.... on the JNAF part lets hope we get the early george.... but stilll we are very well covered in my honest opinion... but i hope for this aircraft it is nice plane indeed

Nimits
02-28-2006, 04:33 PM
It should be addded AI at least; with the exception of the IJNAF fighters (we have just about every type of Zero ever made, and the only major Navy fighter we are lacking flyable is the N1K), the Japanese aircraft list is pitiful, even more so than the USN (which isn't all that could be wished for itself). I'm eagerly anticipating that one or more of the paid add-ons will finally give us some targets to fill out the IJAAF order of battle in DGen.

goshikisen
02-28-2006, 07:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MercilessFatBoy:
if this plane is included then we will have a completed set for the JAAF aircraft set of fighters.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A Ki-45 Toryu would probably need to be added before the JAAF set could be called complete... but your right, the Ki-44 would be a big step in the right direction.

VW-IceFire
02-28-2006, 07:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nimits:
It should be addded AI at least; with the exception of the IJNAF fighters (we have just about every type of Zero ever made, and the only major Navy fighter we are lacking flyable is the N1K), the Japanese aircraft list is pitiful, even more so than the USN (which isn't all that could be wished for itself). I'm eagerly anticipating that one or more of the paid add-ons will finally give us some targets to fill out the IJAAF order of battle in DGen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You have to admit that its getting better with the Ki-100 and the J2M3 added semi recently and recently we're starting to get a few more types.

The Ki-44 is sort of like the Japanese version of the FW190 as I understand it. High wing loading, good top speed for a Japanese fighter, good horsepower rating for a Japanese fighter (1500hp in 1942/1943), lots of things its good at. One wonders what sort of effect it would have had in New Guinea had it been deployed there in any great numbers particularly against the P-38. The 38 was faster but the 44 could probably give it a run for its money.

Stigler_9_JG52
02-28-2006, 08:13 PM
The Shoki is actually an early war plane...a few appeared over the early action in the Dutch East Indies... but it was not in squad strength. Just flown by the hotshot area commanders and small special units.

Later on, it was used by the JAAF as a plane tasked to protect the oil fields in the conquered DEI; as such, it missed much of the action in the Solomons, New Guinea and New Britain, where I'm sure the Ki43 pilots there might have really wished they had better planes.

Probably wouldn't have made a LOT of difference, though.

Ernst_Rohr
02-28-2006, 09:51 PM
It would be nice to see both the Ki-44 and the Ki-45 in game.

The Ki-44 was rather limited in numbers, but an outstanding performer for its time. It tended to be parceled out in very small numbers to specialty units and some commanders. The analogy to the 190 is pretty apt, but the 44 had better turning, 190 was better protected and heavier armed.

The Ki-45 Toryu (allied designation: Nick) was a very effective twin engine fighter, similar to the 110. Very heavy armament, crew armor and self sealing fuel tanks made it very sturdy for an early war Japanese fighter. They were used mostly in a heavy fighter/fighter bomber role early on, and in an interceptor and night fighter agains bomber raids over Japan, where it proved to be very effective against US bombers, even the B-29.

The 45 was also used fairly extensively as a heavy escort fighter in China, although after encountering P-40s flown by the AVG, it fared poorly as a fighter. At that point it was generally retasked as a ground attack aircraft in the China theatre, and it performed very well, particularly in train busting, due to the heavy cannon armament.

I would love to see both of them in game, as well as some of the other Japanes AC that are MIA.

ImpStarDuece
02-28-2006, 11:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
The Shoki is actually an early war plane...a few appeared over the early action in the Dutch East Indies... but it was not in squad strength. Just flown by the hotshot area commanders and small special units.

Later on, it was used by the JAAF as a plane tasked to protect the oil fields in the conquered DEI; as such, it missed much of the action in the Solomons, New Guinea and New Britain, where I'm sure the Ki43 pilots there might have really wished they had better planes.

Probably wouldn't have made a LOT of difference, though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Shoki may of flown fairly early on in the war, but its most definately a mid-war plane.

There were just 7 development prototypes delivered between August 1940 and September 1941. Service trials didn't begin until May 1942 and it wasn't until September 1942 that the type was officially accepted for service with the IJAAF. There were only 40 Type I aircraft made between August 1940 and October 1942 before production switched to the improved Ki-44-II. That works out to about 1 and a half planes a month.

Nimits
02-28-2006, 11:39 PM
A few did fly in the Malaya/East Indies campaign, though.

Anyway, we need so many IJAAF aircraft (not to mention IJNAF and USN), it's not funny.

GerritJ9
03-01-2006, 08:51 AM
Actually the Ki.43 was, numerically, the most important IJAAF fighter. With Ki.43-I and -II, Ki.61, Ki.84, Ki.100 and the soon to be introduced Ki.27 (plus AI Ki.46 versions), the IJAAF line-up of fighters is reasonably complete. What is lacking in the IJAAF department is bombers, Ki.21 to start with- but this may well be added soon as well.

ojcar1971
03-02-2006, 11:55 AM
According with Spitfire Mk VIII pilots in Burma, Ki 44 was the best fighter IJA had.
The most succesful B29 intercept mission over Japan was performed by a little group of Ki 44. They fight 120 B29 and shot down 10 (2 in Kamikaze attacks).
The Ki 44 was the best climber of japanese planes
There was a version with 2 40 mm guns!!!
We need this plane (and a map of Burma if possible)

Stigler_9_JG52
03-02-2006, 12:41 PM
Yeah, those 40mm can openers do wonders! I took a P-40's wing clean off with one tap on the trigger with those!!! It was pure luck: he slid under my nose during a scissors and it was just a quick reaction...

he cartwheeled back into view on the other side of my nose...missing his right wing. Hehehe...

Ki-44s can be fun...

Feathered_IV
03-03-2006, 03:04 AM
Fishie fishie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

FW189
11-17-2006, 08:36 PM
DOES THIS PLANE'S SKINS BE FINISHED?

Nimits
11-17-2006, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GerritJ9:
Actually the Ki.43 was, numerically, the most important IJAAF fighter. With Ki.43-I and -II, Ki.61, Ki.84, Ki.100 and the soon to be introduced Ki.27 (plus AI Ki.46 versions), the IJAAF line-up of fighters is reasonably complete. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I wouldn't call the JAAF complete until we added the Ki-45. No opposition air force can be called a finished product if missing its best target . . .

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GerritJ9
11-18-2006, 04:01 AM
If having its best target is reason to call an air force complete, then the RAF line-up is complete (best target Hurricane), so is the USN (F4F), Luftwaffe (Me-110) and VVS (SB-2). Following this reasoning, the FB/PF line-up is complete....... and Oleg and team can relax! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

The KNIL is dead. Long live the KNIL!

darkhorizon11
11-21-2006, 06:55 PM
Too bad I've never seen WIP pics of the 44...

Would have been nice, at least as AI...

ElAurens
11-21-2006, 09:57 PM
SaQSoN said in another thread some time ago that the dev team does indeed have enough info to model the Ki44 cockpit, but that there is simply no more time for FB/PF models.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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