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wickedpenguin
08-26-2004, 10:42 AM
I did my first air race last night, and it was a blast. Naturally being a noob I came in dead freaking last. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What I don't understand is that we were all flying the same aircraft (1st race: Ta-152, 2nd race: Spitfire 1943) and yet the leader was over 4 or 5km ahead of me. Even people who were in "the pack" with me were passing me in straight and level flight.

What's the secret? One of the guys mentioned the radiator - open for less heat, closed for more power - and prop pitch control. However, the Spitfire we were flying has neither. We were also flying so low I didn't bother with the mixture. Also, do superchargers work at low altitude? I thought they were only high alt devices.

On turns, I started off by using stick and rudder, but felt I was losing to much speed using the rudder as well. I ended up just using the stick, rolling up on a wingtip and using the elevators to pull 'round the pylons.

Win or loose, it's still a blast and I'm not pretending to go for first. However, I would like to move up in the ranks at least.

Any recommendations or engine management, turn performance, and other tricks?

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wickedpenguin
08-26-2004, 10:42 AM
I did my first air race last night, and it was a blast. Naturally being a noob I came in dead freaking last. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What I don't understand is that we were all flying the same aircraft (1st race: Ta-152, 2nd race: Spitfire 1943) and yet the leader was over 4 or 5km ahead of me. Even people who were in "the pack" with me were passing me in straight and level flight.

What's the secret? One of the guys mentioned the radiator - open for less heat, closed for more power - and prop pitch control. However, the Spitfire we were flying has neither. We were also flying so low I didn't bother with the mixture. Also, do superchargers work at low altitude? I thought they were only high alt devices.

On turns, I started off by using stick and rudder, but felt I was losing to much speed using the rudder as well. I ended up just using the stick, rolling up on a wingtip and using the elevators to pull 'round the pylons.

Win or loose, it's still a blast and I'm not pretending to go for first. However, I would like to move up in the ranks at least.

Any recommendations or engine management, turn performance, and other tricks?

"Fear is the mindkiller"
- Dune
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basdirks
08-26-2004, 11:03 AM
Amount of fuel ?

Kasdeya
08-26-2004, 11:09 AM
Air racing in the IL2 Air Racing league is just like any other form of road racing. You need to find the fastest part of the track, the 'Line'. The Line is where you keep the most energy/speed around corners but still keeping your ride near the pylons. You don't really want to go wide around a corner because you lose ground to the rest of the racers. Keep you speed up but stay close to the pylons. Speed is just about everthing, but with speed come engine heat. You must find the engine settings that give you the most power and speed without cooking your motor. Radiator cowls open are great for cooling but bad for speed, so sometimes just backing the throttle down a bit will reduce heat and not create anymore drag on your plane. Prop pitch is always gonna be a subject that cannot be thoroughly taught and mostly learned by trail and error. Mix and Superchargers aren't really used unless in mountains maps or higher alts. Always use the least amount of fuel as possible. 25% for most and 50% for 109's on long tracks.

My suggestion to you is for you to practice offline on the maps, and play with the engine settings, record your tracks and play them back to see what Line your running and what speeds your maintaining through the corners. If you can keep your speed up in the corners, you'll get to a higher speed in the straights.

Hope this helps.

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wickedpenguin
08-26-2004, 11:38 AM
basdirks - we were racing with 25% fuel and Empty loadout. All weights were equal across the board and as light as possible.

Kasdeya - Strangely enough, on both races I had the engine floored throughout the entire event and never experienced overheating. Honestly I didn't hug the pylons as closely as i could of, but that was in fear of bleeding off too much airspeed. The tighter the turns, the less distance is given up.

However it just seemed right from the get go, before we even reached the pylons, people were already passing me. Maybe I need to work on my takeoff technique as well, get off of the ground as cleanly and quickly as possible.

Practice will help of course.

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Kasdeya
08-26-2004, 11:47 AM
Beleive it or not, some turns you really need to hug the pylon and turn extremely sharp, remember some aircraft are great accelerators. In fact, that prolly why they left you on the start. If you use auto prop pitch in some german rides, then you dont get the kind of accel that manual prop pitch gives you. Of course, you will need to highly practice that cuz boom goes the motor if you over rev too much.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Most racers use manual prop because of the extra ummph it gives in regards to accel and speed but run the risk of frying the motor. That is a fine line but its really gets wide once you get the jist of the manual prop.

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Kasdeya
08-26-2004, 11:49 AM
OH and one more thing, the radiator on some aircraft are set to auto when you jump in them you have to close them yourself or it will open up by itself and slow you down. always check before the start to see where your rad is.

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BfHeFwMe
08-26-2004, 04:13 PM
Didn't see you mention anything about trim, that can get you higher speeds in near everything finding the sweet spot for speed and altitude.

Also a secret or two to be learned here with E managment technique.

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Kasdeya
08-26-2004, 04:44 PM
All very true, I never used trim because I got big fingers and usually mess it up and all that cuz the racing is tight. Some tight corners are faster if you go short side rather than E management. Though you still have to mange your E through it by exiting the corner gently and diving down to gain alittle speed in the process. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good Points, BfHeFwMe.

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wickedpenguin
08-26-2004, 05:00 PM
All good points. I was thinking about the trim as well - however I can't seem to get that to work right in this sim. In MFS2004 I've got it perfectly, but the aircraft don't see to respond here in IL-2. I probably need to experiment more.

I'm actually reading a great book right now about Energy in terms of aviation. It's called simply "Boyd", a biography about John Boyd, who pioneered new ways of thinking about aerial tactics. He basically turned fighter tactics from a mythical art form to a quantifiable science.

The focus of his work so far in the book is on Energy conservation and management. One of the examples focuses on BnZ tactics, breaking it down into potential and active energy. It goes beyond nuts and bolts and gut instinct and breaks aerial combat down into pure physics. A lot of his results and theories were instrumental in creating aircraft like the F-16 fighter. Interesting stuff...

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RS_Shiesty
08-26-2004, 05:26 PM
Both aircraft mentioned have boosts which must be engaged manually. Some aircraft, p51, La, etc. will automatically engage WEP above 110% throttle. My guess would be the reason you were passed so quickly is because you had no boost on.

In air races, the idea is to get the most out of the engine within the given time. The engine should have just enough life in it to land after a hard run. The engine is a large part of races, but turns are also essential. Most people swing much wider than is needed to complete turns resulting in unneeded distance to make up. The closer you can get in a corner, the less distance you have to travel. Assuming you don't hit the pylon, closer is better than swinging wide. Some tracks require different entrances to corners, but generally close and smooth is the best way to go. Loadout rarely comes into play unless flying in a 109 race. Prop pitch is useful in the top class races, but generally is not worth the risk to the engine unless attempting a win.

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TheGozr
08-27-2004, 03:44 AM
Do you mean that you raced with Spitfire 1943?

Hope not..

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Tully__
08-27-2004, 04:27 AM
I find a tiny little high yo-yo on the tight turns helps immensely with e-retention at high G. Other than that, carefull use of trim and careful husbanding of engine temp.

And whatever you do, keep your control inputs smooth.

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ElAurens
08-27-2004, 05:11 AM
Speed hack?

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