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onn1e
06-29-2007, 07:15 AM
Hi all, recently bought IL-2 1946, After reading A Nuggets guide by Bearcat99, i have been trying to get my landing skills up.

Have been trying for 3 days and i usually end up as a smoldering wreck, but about 10mins ago i actually landed safely (well i think my tail wheel snapped off) but at least i wasn't on fire or doing 360 cart wheels http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just wanted to tell someone after all the pent up frustration of the last few days!

Thanks!

triggerhappyfin
06-29-2007, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by Onn1e:
Hi all, recently bought IL-2 1946, After reading A Nuggets guide by Bearcat99, i have been trying to get my landing skills up.

Have been trying for 3 days and i usually end up as a smoldering wreck, but about 10mins ago i actually landed safely (well i think my tail wheel snapped off) but at least i wasn't on fire or doing 360 cart wheels http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just wanted to tell someone after all the pent up frustration of the last few days!

Thanks!

Good job http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif
...and now on to carrier landing.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Deadmeat313
06-29-2007, 07:32 AM
Congratulations! Soon it will be second nature, be sure. It does get a lot easier once you get a feel for it.

Do you have Easy Landings switched on or off?


T.

onn1e
06-29-2007, 07:45 AM
carrier landings!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif more smouldering wrecks coming up. lol


Deadmeat> I have realistic landings switched on, wouldn't feel as rewarding if it was too easy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Airmail109
06-29-2007, 07:54 AM
once you get good at landing its great!

Its awesome to be able to scream at full speed into your base, low down. Pull up, slam the rudder on, chop the throttle and then screach round an drop onto the base in no time at all

Stuntie
06-29-2007, 08:09 AM
Use trim. Its the key to easy landings.
Set up the elevator trim keys to the joystick, or to a pair of easy to use keys.
Trim for a shallow descent hands off the stick.
3 degrees is normal for most landings.

Set up a nice long shallow approach. Put the top of the cockpit coaming , where the base of the gun sight is, on the start of the runway and trim for that as an aiming point.

Get slow well before landing - drop to about 30% throttle about 150 mph (dropping slowly to about 100mph as you get to the runway) for most aircraft. (Once you get the hang of these slightly fast but fine landings you can work on slowing it down to the full landing speed of the chosen plane - post the plane and someone will post the recommended speeds). Get the flaps down to landing and then the gear down. Open cowls as well to help cool the engine. Prop pitch to 100% and mixture to 120% rich - this gets the engine in gear for slow speed landing.
As you pass the threshold you need to flare slightly - move the aim point up till it is about horizon level. Aim for a three point attitude just like the plane on the ground, not a climb attitude. At the same time throttle back to idle and she should settle down nicely.

Keep the stick slightly back as she lands and let her roll to about 30mph before gently braking - or dont even brake if you have the room to roll to a halt. Brake too early and she'll nose over unless you have a tricycle nose gear plane.

Practice flying real slow at about 1oooft for a bit to see how she handles slow and how she decends at a nice safe rate.

Good start planes are the carrier palnes such as the Hellcat and Zero as they have great landing characteristics. Avoid the Corsair as it has a horrible torque at low speeds and was not newbie freindly. Avoid planes like the Bf109 as well if they have a narrow undercarriage that makes landing fun. You can move on to them once you get the hang of it all in more user friendly planes.

To summarise:
Trim, shallow 3 degrees, slow 150 dropping to 100mph, trim, flaps down gear down. Trim, aim at the threshold, flare just before landing, cut the throttle. Brake at 30mph or less,
look smug at making that 3 point perfect landing in front of the cheif.

Stuntie
06-29-2007, 08:14 AM
Once had the perfect landing described to me as being so slow you enter a stall 1 inch above the runway.

Warhammer_II
06-29-2007, 08:21 AM
And here I considered it an accomplishment if I broke the wheels on landing and just mashed up the prop.

onn1e
06-29-2007, 08:22 AM
It's been difficult, I'm usually coming in too fast (100-150mph) and bounce which just makes me stress even more.

Yes i gave up on landing in the Bf109, as you say the undercarriage makes it difficult, I'm using the IL-2 at the moment, it seems to be quite a forgiving plane.

Thanks for the tips, i will try to learn them.

Anyone know how to make the grass runways stand out a bit more as I am finding it difficult to see them clearly as they are too well blended in to the surrounding grass areas.

FPSOLKOR
06-29-2007, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by Onn1e:
carrier landings!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif more smouldering wrecks coming up. lol


Deadmeat> I have realistic landings switched on, wouldn't feel as rewarding if it was too easy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Try conveyor carrier landings with full tanks and bombload... Thats something your pilot is going to tell his kids after Il2 wars will be over...

onn1e
06-29-2007, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by Stuntie:
Good start planes are the carrier palnes such as the Hellcat and Zero as they have great landing characteristics.

Forgive my ignorance but what are the precise model numbers of the Hellcat and Zero, because i cannot find them.

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stuntie
06-29-2007, 09:28 AM
F6F-3 and F6F-5 for the Hellcat, and A6M2 to A6M5 for the zero.

When I get home I'll dig out the landig specs for the Hellcat and post them for you.

Both have good slow speed landing chracteristics as that is a real bonus for carrier landings. The F6F Hellcat also has good sturdy landing gear for any bounce.

onn1e
06-29-2007, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Stuntie:
F6F-3 and F6F-5 for the Hellcat, and A6M2 to A6M5 for the zero.

When I get home I'll dig out the landig specs for the Hellcat and post them for you.

Both have good slow speed landing chracteristics as that is a real bonus for carrier landings. The F6F Hellcat also has good sturdy landing gear for any bounce.

cool, thanks.

I've just completed 4 more successful landings, it's getting easier the more I practice.

I've turned the speed bar off as well now and i am solely using the gauges.

Deadmeat313
06-29-2007, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Onn1e:
carrier landings!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif more smouldering wrecks coming up. lol


Deadmeat> I have realistic landings switched on, wouldn't feel as rewarding if it was too easy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That is by far the best way. Planes tend to bounce like bizarre rubber balls with landings on Easy.

Some advice : Whereas many say that in a proper landing you go so slow as to almost stall the aircraft onto the runway, this is a dangeous way to do it because if you stall at any other time you will drop a wing and not be able to recover. The aircraft will plummet and you'll arrive in pieces. You are better off coming in a bit fast until you are comfortable with a landing speed, and always keep some throttle power on until you are right over the touchdown point.

A successful two-point landing is far better than a failed three-point landing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

T.

Roblex
06-29-2007, 11:06 AM
The mistake that most newbies make that leads to heavy landings and bounces is to come in too high then try to dive in and 'force' it to stay on the ground.

The trick is to cut your speed right back to 10-15 mph above stall speed and keep the nose level or at least only a little down so the plane descends without building up speed. Adjust the throttle to keep it from landing too early but always keep the nose up and the speed in bounds. As you near touchdown you can reduce the throttle further as long as you dont stall it and then just let it float along above the runway a few feet up with nose slightly high and cut the throttle so it gently sinks the last few feet.

You will probably use a lot of the runway at first but eventually you will get a feel for where to start your approach to touch down on the threshold at minimum speed and then you can start thinking about carrier landings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SithSpeeder
06-29-2007, 11:48 AM
Aaaah, carrier landings. That reminds me of the oft posted video links: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpCLeWqY0w
OR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Bim7-hZfg

Hang in there, Onn1e! (at least we have a REFLY button http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

* _54th_Speeder *

Stuntie
06-29-2007, 11:57 AM
F6F Hellcat:

Approach speed 120kts IAS (138mph, 220km)
RPM 2250-2450
Mixture Auto rich (120%)
Cowls 1/2 open
Tailwheel locked for fields, unlocked for carriers
Hood open

Suggested landing speeds is a chart depending on weight, but is approx:
62-70kts power on (70-80mph, 110-125km), and 66-75 power off (75-85mph, 120-135km).

Stall speed gear and flaps down is a very low 53kts, which helps lots when practicing, especially on a carrier.

Most non carrier planes have slightly faster landing speeds, about 100mph over the threshold, but otherwise are landed jsutthe same.

P.s. if you want a bit of fun try a slow landing in the F4U corsair. You will find out why this bird was nicknamed the 'ensign eliminator', and kept of carriers for first.

MEGILE
06-29-2007, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
once you get good at landing its great!

Its awesome to be able to scream at full speed into your base, low down. Pull up, slam the rudder on, chop the throttle and then screach round an drop onto the base in no time at all

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Eventually you will be doing some crazy *** landings with no regard for human safety http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ElSjonnie
06-29-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Onn1e:
Hi all, recently bought IL-2 1946, After reading A Nuggets guide by Bearcat99, i have been trying to get my landing skills up.

Have been trying for 3 days and i usually end up as a smoldering wreck, but about 10mins ago i actually landed safely (well i think my tail wheel snapped off) but at least i wasn't on fire or doing 360 cart wheels http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just wanted to tell someone after all the pent up frustration of the last few days!

Thanks!

Congrats on your first landing. I found it very hard at first. I now land cleanly 90% of the time after about 10 days of playing.

Xiolablu3
06-29-2007, 01:11 PM
Well done!

MAke sure you use landing flaps.

You are using a joystick I hope?


NOW, GET ONLINE WITH US!

Its where the this sim REALLY shines. PLus you will learn 10x faster.

I remember when a new guy came to UKded2 once and he just could nOT tak eoff!. He oculd perform landings, shoot people down, but he was terrible at getting his plane into the air http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

He learned after a bit of tuition with us however!

Xiolablu3
06-29-2007, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
once you get good at landing its great!

Its awesome to be able to scream at full speed into your base, low down. Pull up, slam the rudder on, chop the throttle and then screach round an drop onto the base in no time at all

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Eventually you will be doing some crazy *** landings with no regard for human safety http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe definitely.

Doing full, hard scissors with the throttle at 0% and landing flaps fully down is a usual feature of my landings...

Must...lose....speed....faster..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

onn1e
06-29-2007, 01:27 PM
wow, so many replies!

Stuntie> Thanks for the info http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
SithSpeeder> thanks for the reply, the refly button comment had me giggling, thank you.
Xiolablu3> Flaps in the landing position, check.
Joystick, check.
I have played a bit of online before, definately good fun, i can take off and shoot things down (except bombing) but i just couldnt land the bloody thing!

Thanks to everyone else for their encouragement and tips http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

StellarRat
06-29-2007, 01:41 PM
You want to come in fast when landing the heavy American fighters. The P-51 should be landed at about 120 mph. The trick is to fly just above the runway then erase off the throttle until your wheels touch. Basically you're making a very low level pass over the airfield but actually letting your wheels touch down. Also, if you doing the landing correctly you have at least 25% throttle on until just a few seconds before your wheels touch. Of course, don't forget to deploy your flaps in the approach!

mortoma
06-29-2007, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Stuntie:
Once had the perfect landing described to me as being so slow you enter a stall 1 inch above the runway. That's ok for general aviation ( civilian ) aircraft but if you try a full stall in this sim you drop a wing in most every aircraft. It's hard in a real GA aircraft to get a full stall and I seldom even try it. Although I don't fly aircraft anymore. My old flight instructor was an FAA examiner with over 25,000 hours and rarely full stalled on landing either.
In a slippery high performance fighter I doubt they did that either since it's even more difficult. But I'm not sure, never talked to anoyone who has landed WWII warbirds nor do I remember reading about how they land prop fighters of the era. Next time I go to an airshow I just might nail down a warbird pilot and ask him. I have never flown anything more hot that a Beech Bonanza so I don't know about warbirds. Anyone???

mortoma
06-29-2007, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Stuntie:
Use trim. Its the key to easy landings.
Set up the elevator trim keys to the joystick, or to a pair of easy to use keys.
Trim for a shallow descent hands off the stick.
3 degrees is normal for most landings.

Set up a nice long shallow approach. Put the top of the cockpit coaming , where the base of the gun sight is, on the start of the runway and trim for that as an aiming point.

Get slow well before landing - drop to about 30% throttle about 150 mph (dropping slowly to about 100mph as you get to the runway) for most aircraft. (Once you get the hang of these slightly fast but fine landings you can work on slowing it down to the full landing speed of the chosen plane - post the plane and someone will post the recommended speeds). Get the flaps down to landing and then the gear down. Open cowls as well to help cool the engine. Prop pitch to 100% and mixture to 120% rich - this gets the engine in gear for slow speed landing.
As you pass the threshold you need to flare slightly - move the aim point up till it is about horizon level. Aim for a three point attitude just like the plane on the ground, not a climb attitude. At the same time throttle back to idle and she should settle down nicely.

Keep the stick slightly back as she lands and let her roll to about 30mph before gently braking - or dont even brake if you have the room to roll to a halt. Brake too early and she'll nose over unless you have a tricycle nose gear plane.

Practice flying real slow at about 1oooft for a bit to see how she handles slow and how she decends at a nice safe rate.

Good start planes are the carrier palnes such as the Hellcat and Zero as they have great landing characteristics. Avoid the Corsair as it has a horrible torque at low speeds and was not newbie freindly. Avoid planes like the Bf109 as well if they have a narrow undercarriage that makes landing fun. You can move on to them once you get the hang of it all in more user friendly planes.

To summarise:
Trim, shallow 3 degrees, slow 150 dropping to 100mph, trim, flaps down gear down. Trim, aim at the threshold, flare just before landing, cut the throttle. Brake at 30mph or less,
look smug at making that 3 point perfect landing in front of the cheif. I disagree on the shallow part. Part of why they developed flaps is so you can approach more steeply. This is always safer since if your engine conks out, you may be able to glide to the touch down point. When I used to fly, I'd do more like a 5 degree approach if I could. But in IFR, (which I seldom flew ) most approaches are indeed about 3 degrees because most ILS glideslopes are set to about 3 degrees. But flying VFR I sure landed more steep than that for safety reason, if it was available to approach like that.

In game for an approach that shallow, you have to carry a lot of power which makes torque more bothersome. I prefer to come in steep and "chop and drop" all aircraft in the sim. Much easier!! And if I do do a shallow approach I do it like I did in real life, use less flaps and come in hotter at a higher approach speed. When I was in instrument training I did it in a Skyhawk, which is nose heavy enough as it is. But my instrument instructor was a huge strapping guy and this made ILS approaches tough. So I came in with only 20 degrees and about 6 to 10 knows faster than normal. Unless I did that, even if I trimmed the trim wheeel all that way up to the stops I'd run out of up elevator after pulling the yoke alll the way back to the stops!! This is how nose heavy we were with me and him up front. I often thought to put a few pounds of ballast in the back seat but I never did. But we were still in the weight and balance envelope, believe it or not!!

But as far as teaching newbies shallow approaches in this sim, I wholeheartedly disagree. The way I do it is near torqueless
because I need carry only a little power in most planes. Plus I can chop all the power upon the runway threshhold. I do this for all aircraft in the sim except for the PZL-11, or whatever the Pole called it.

Zeus-cat
06-29-2007, 10:11 PM
You may want to download and install my Straight From the Farm campaign. I tell you how to handle the basics of landings, takeoffs and what functions you need to map to play the game. I even tell you how to end missions and that kind of stuff. Complete installation instructions are included. Just follow the link below.

fabianfred
06-30-2007, 03:15 AM
I've been playing with il2 since it first came out.... and my landings are still ****

if coming in too hot I sometimes drop the prop to 30% which is like slamming the brakes on....

carrier landings are usually walk-awayable... but the plane is not going anywhere in a hurry

I like the SBD the best... come in at any speed and use the little telescope aiming device with the cross hairs on the far end of the deck...fun!!

onn1e
07-05-2007, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
You may want to download and install my Straight From the Farm campaign. I tell you how to handle the basics of landings, takeoffs and what functions you need to map to play the game. I even tell you how to end missions and that kind of stuff. Complete installation instructions are included. Just follow the link below.

Hi zeuscat, i downloaded your training campaign. It's very helpful thank you for your efforts!

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