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p-11.cAce
03-09-2007, 09:28 AM
http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/testedby/me109/japanese-109-side.jpg
http://www.j-aircraft.com/captured/testedby/me109/me109.1.gif

"Bf109E-7, Japan, 1941 Five Bf109s were sent to Japan, sans armament, for evaluation. While in Japan they received the standard Japanese hinomarus and yellow wing leading edges, as well as white numerals on the rudder. A red band outlined in white is around the rear fuselage. Study of the Bf109 in Japan led to the design of the formidable Ki-61 Hein.

The colors of the plane appear to be the standard RLM 74/75/76 scheme, with medium mottling on the fuselage sides, probably including both RLM 74 and RLM 75 as well as RLM 02. It is possible that some or all of these planes were later repainted in standard IJAAF colors."

The photo properties say "captured" but I think the original website did'nt know where they were from. How would the Japanese "capture" a -109 anyway??

Monterey13
03-09-2007, 01:03 PM
Is that a Luftwaffe pilot in the middle?

XyZspineZyX
03-09-2007, 01:23 PM
Whaddya know?

http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/photos_original/japaneseemil6.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MarkSynthesis
03-09-2007, 01:39 PM
That's a nice skin....and yes, the pilot standing up in the center of the first photograph does have a "Western" haircut and perhaps even face, though it's hard to tell for certain.

cawimmer430
03-09-2007, 01:45 PM
Very interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Any info on how the Japanese testpilots reacted to the plane? Until now, they had mainly flown the Ki-27, Ki-43 and the A6M2 Zero so they were used to extreme maneuvrability. I can imagine the BF-109E was something different to them.

p-11.cAce
03-09-2007, 02:45 PM
Only conflicting reports of its influence on the Ki-61 development. It was powered by a licensed and improved version of the DB-601A

n March 1938, Kawasaki signed an agreement with Daimler-Benz of Germany for manufacturing rights to the liquid-cooled inline engines then under development by the German firm. In April 1940, a Kawasaki engineering team visited Daimler-Benz in Stuttgart to obtain plans and samples of the DB-601A engine, then being used in the Bf-109.

The Kawasaki engine team managed to increase the take-off power of their version of the engine to 875 kW (1,175 HP) and reduce its weight slightly. The engine was put into production in November 1941. It was designated the "Ha-40", or "Army Type 2", though it would be later redesignated the "Ha-60" in a combined Army/Navy nomenclature.
The confusion of the Ki-61 with German and Italian fighters had some basis in the aircraft's origins. Between 1923 and 1933, Kawasaki Aircraft Engineering Company's head designer was a German named Dr. Richard Vogt, who returned to Germany in 1933 to take a similar position at the firm of Blohm und Voss. Not surprisingly, Kawasaki continued to be strongly influenced by Dr. Vogt's beliefs after he left, particularly a faith in the merits of liquid-cooled inline engines. This made Kawasaki something of a heretic among Japanese aircraft manufacturers, who preferred air-cooled radials.

ViktorViktor
03-09-2007, 03:06 PM
I think the Japanese test pilots were not impressed by the 109, since it couldn't turn as tightly as the zero or oscar. The Japanese were TnB flyers.

general_kalle
03-09-2007, 05:02 PM
iver read somewhere that göering wanted to be good the the japanese freinds and so he send them the fabulus me109.

japanese wasnt impressed.

can imagine germans being amateurs compared to japanese aircraft tecknologi.

a bit funny

DIRTY-MAC
03-09-2007, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
I think the Japanese test pilots were not impressed by the 109, since it couldn't turn as tightly as the zero or oscar. The Japanese were TnB flyers.


They were not so impressed. but is was probably thr greatest fighter they had flown up to that time. they were just consentratingin an other aspect of the performance curve.

DKoor
03-09-2007, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
iver read somewhere that göering wanted to be good the the japanese freinds and so he send them the fabulus me109.

japanese wasnt impressed.

can imagine germans being amateurs compared to japanese aircraft tecknologi.

a bit funny I think that key was range... of what use Bf-109 is on such large water covered front where fighters were required to travel thousands of miles in one mission... that is something 109 can not do even with droptank. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

p-11.cAce
03-09-2007, 05:28 PM
can imagine germans being amateurs compared to japanese aircraft tecknologi.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

THAT is the funniest thing I've read here for awhile http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Waldo.Pepper
03-09-2007, 05:32 PM
just consentratingin an other aspect of the performance curve.

Gee someone should have sent them to concentration camp!