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ipoh
05-19-2004, 10:47 PM
May 10, 2004. A little rain in the early morning and then cloudy, but never mind, at 9 o'clock we were ready to begin our scheduled flying of the second day. Our main task in the morning was practising takeoff and landing.
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0338.jpg

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0339.jpg
Take off by myself, feel better and better...

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0340.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0341.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0342.jpg
Leave the ground, calm and placidly...

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0346.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0347.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0349.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0350.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0351.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0352.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0353.jpg
Landing, speed up, take off again.

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0356.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0358.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0360.jpg
Taxi back to the parking apron after 5 times of takeoff and landing. It's RedStar's turn...

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0364.jpg
See how Dear RedStar does...
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0375.jpg
On the landing: RedStar and I both think that except the steeper approaching landing course, it's very enjoyable to land the CJ6 if you are familiar with the landing skills in IL2-FB, rather relaxed than LA7.

Before the end of our flying in the morning, Mr. **** who has 6,000 hours of real flying experience made a brilliant show of aerobatics with very low altitude under 500m on CCTV-5's invitation. We had flown the real plane already knew what those coherent rapid maneuvers with high G load mean... We felt so lucky and happy to be trained by such excellent instructor!
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0381.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0384.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0389.jpg
Photos can't show how splendid the scene was. The CJ6 drove by Mr. **** flew flat 8 with 85 degrees, continuous barrel roll, climbing (?), Immelmann, split S, spin, up barrel roll (?), etc. What a wonderful performance!

At 3:00 pm, we went on to the most challenging task -- aerobatics!
There was no such a plan in our original schedule, because according to the usual procedure, the student who has only 2 hours of real flying can't do such exercise. However, had proved our flying skills and mental endurance, Mr. **** decided to let us break the rules. Had experienced 4G of G load, RedStar and I were very confident to do this challenge...
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0394.jpg

I took off first, climbing to 1,000m (altitude 2,040m). The instructor made the aerobatics once, then I followed it. We began with a roll, which is easy in IL2-FB, but different with the CJ6. You should dive a little first, speed up to 250km/h, pull up with 25-30 degrees, then start to roll, and step the rudder to the way you roll at the moment of collapsing... And the G load was obvious while pulling up before rolling... but not bad since we were acclimatized yesterday.

Then the instructor flew a loop and an Immelmann. I found that the simple positive G load is easier to bear than rolling left and right. I tried my best to keep the pose and looking at the front 45 degrees. Perfect feeling... the sky was rolling, the earth was over my head... The vigorous and exciting real flying can never be simulated in IL2-FB. After that, I finished a loop and an Immelmann by myself, more comfortable. The instructor praised my standard actions at once. Haha, so happy! Owed to FB, we were very familiar with the maneuver actions, which deeply impressed the instructor who had taught thousands of students!

At last, we flew a left spin. Too stimulating! I felt being threw to the air. Fortunately I was held tightly by the safety belt. The true spin made me dizzy... couldn't expained with words.

After that, the instructor asked how I feel of my body. I said I could take the plane back. Then I circled to lower the altitude and landed balancedly.
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0398.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0400.jpg
End of the whole experience of real flying. The last photo with the plane in Datong.

Then, RedStar followed Mr. ****, flying the roll, loop and split S as I did. And he was addicted and flew two rolls.

When he landed on the ground, our practice of real flying in Datong is finished. It was a successful test of virtual pilot flying real plane for the first time. We had proved that through consummate simulating flying exercise, the time of real flying study and practice can be shortened greatly. Now let's take Mr. ****'s comment as the conclusion of our report:
"If I had to pay 100% of my time and energy to teach the students flying before, I only need to pay at most 20% of that on these two virtual pilots. Now just practise 10-20 times of takeoff and landing, they can get the pilot's licence of CJ6!"

ipoh
05-19-2004, 10:47 PM
May 10, 2004. A little rain in the early morning and then cloudy, but never mind, at 9 o'clock we were ready to begin our scheduled flying of the second day. Our main task in the morning was practising takeoff and landing.
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0338.jpg

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0339.jpg
Take off by myself, feel better and better...

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0340.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0341.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0342.jpg
Leave the ground, calm and placidly...

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0346.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0347.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0349.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0350.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0351.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0352.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0353.jpg
Landing, speed up, take off again.

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0356.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0358.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0360.jpg
Taxi back to the parking apron after 5 times of takeoff and landing. It's RedStar's turn...

http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0364.jpg
See how Dear RedStar does...
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0375.jpg
On the landing: RedStar and I both think that except the steeper approaching landing course, it's very enjoyable to land the CJ6 if you are familiar with the landing skills in IL2-FB, rather relaxed than LA7.

Before the end of our flying in the morning, Mr. **** who has 6,000 hours of real flying experience made a brilliant show of aerobatics with very low altitude under 500m on CCTV-5's invitation. We had flown the real plane already knew what those coherent rapid maneuvers with high G load mean... We felt so lucky and happy to be trained by such excellent instructor!
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0381.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0384.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0389.jpg
Photos can't show how splendid the scene was. The CJ6 drove by Mr. **** flew flat 8 with 85 degrees, continuous barrel roll, climbing (?), Immelmann, split S, spin, up barrel roll (?), etc. What a wonderful performance!

At 3:00 pm, we went on to the most challenging task -- aerobatics!
There was no such a plan in our original schedule, because according to the usual procedure, the student who has only 2 hours of real flying can't do such exercise. However, had proved our flying skills and mental endurance, Mr. **** decided to let us break the rules. Had experienced 4G of G load, RedStar and I were very confident to do this challenge...
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0394.jpg

I took off first, climbing to 1,000m (altitude 2,040m). The instructor made the aerobatics once, then I followed it. We began with a roll, which is easy in IL2-FB, but different with the CJ6. You should dive a little first, speed up to 250km/h, pull up with 25-30 degrees, then start to roll, and step the rudder to the way you roll at the moment of collapsing... And the G load was obvious while pulling up before rolling... but not bad since we were acclimatized yesterday.

Then the instructor flew a loop and an Immelmann. I found that the simple positive G load is easier to bear than rolling left and right. I tried my best to keep the pose and looking at the front 45 degrees. Perfect feeling... the sky was rolling, the earth was over my head... The vigorous and exciting real flying can never be simulated in IL2-FB. After that, I finished a loop and an Immelmann by myself, more comfortable. The instructor praised my standard actions at once. Haha, so happy! Owed to FB, we were very familiar with the maneuver actions, which deeply impressed the instructor who had taught thousands of students!

At last, we flew a left spin. Too stimulating! I felt being threw to the air. Fortunately I was held tightly by the safety belt. The true spin made me dizzy... couldn't expained with words.

After that, the instructor asked how I feel of my body. I said I could take the plane back. Then I circled to lower the altitude and landed balancedly.
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0398.jpg
http://www.chnace.org/dof/datong/dscf0400.jpg
End of the whole experience of real flying. The last photo with the plane in Datong.

Then, RedStar followed Mr. ****, flying the roll, loop and split S as I did. And he was addicted and flew two rolls.

When he landed on the ground, our practice of real flying in Datong is finished. It was a successful test of virtual pilot flying real plane for the first time. We had proved that through consummate simulating flying exercise, the time of real flying study and practice can be shortened greatly. Now let's take Mr. ****'s comment as the conclusion of our report:
"If I had to pay 100% of my time and energy to teach the students flying before, I only need to pay at most 20% of that on these two virtual pilots. Now just practise 10-20 times of takeoff and landing, they can get the pilot's licence of CJ6!"

HH Quazi
05-19-2004, 11:31 PM
Did I understand this correctly? Was this your first time flying a real plane? And what skills you and your friend had acquired has come from virtual flying in FB? If that is the case, and I believe that is what the last paragraph of your post implied, then this is an awesome display of FB's ability to emulate flying a real aircraft. Your instructors note says it all. He's ready to give you a pilots liscense for the CJ6. Awesome guys! And congrats! I ~S~ you both!

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Frenchy-
05-20-2004, 12:07 AM
how did you liked taxing using the "brake lever on the Stick" and the pedals? Quite unsual for me the first time, so used to brakes on the pedals. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-20-2004, 12:24 AM
Those CJ6's are damn nice aircraft to see. We have a few YAK-52's here in Holland, performing in various airshows around the country and they always stand out of the other airshow aircraft. Probably because they are a bit strange in these parts of the world.

Very nice flight, congratulations!

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2 For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured
to you again.

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Mirtma
05-20-2004, 01:17 AM
Tumbs up!

Great job!

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lindyman
05-20-2004, 03:46 AM
So, will you go ahead and learn the real deal then? You should, I think. Marvellous thing.
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/Bjorn.

AWL_Spinner
05-20-2004, 04:07 AM
I was up for an aeros routine in a CJ6 last autumn - brilliant fun. It was the first time I've done proper aeros in an aircraft (although I was passenger for the sortie) and I did indeed find myself doing things I do in FB. Like, for instance, leaning my head back to look at ground references at the top of the loop (TrackIR, it really helps! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).

Congrats on the flight, looks like you had a blast!

Cheers, Spinner

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JimmyGiro
05-20-2004, 04:53 AM
Great show @6 and RedStar.

It's as though the principle of the flight sim has gone full circle now. Oleg as I believe, developed for the Russian military because they saw it as a cheaper and safer way of preliminary training. Now that the 'game' is privately developed, again it's regarded as a useful tool for preliminary flight training; only much much cheaper.

Now all we need is for the gaming industry world wide to recognize the full 'training' and 'gaming' potential for sims, as opposed to making yet another Quake clone for bloodthirsty pubesence.

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Inadaze
05-20-2004, 05:20 AM
Cool Flight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I've often wondered how well our simulation skills would transfer to the real world.

I know DiD the folks that made EF2000 made versioin for training RAF pilots, it runs in a full on eurofighter cockpit, with full 360 look about. (If I remember rightly)

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NTESLA
05-20-2004, 06:27 AM
That is a great experience Epoh! Thank you for sharing with us and showing the pictures, wish I was there also!

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lil_labbit
05-20-2004, 08:53 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif oooh - thanks - great
Does Mr **** have a lot of spare time on his hands? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
meaning... man! would I love to... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LilHorse
05-20-2004, 10:15 AM
Great pics! Those CJ6s are beautiful planes. Sounds like it was a terrific experiance.