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Woodstock_69
06-20-2006, 06:29 AM
Please follow this link:

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/F4U-4.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ehistoryzone/F4U-4.html)

If this is true i gonna whine for a F4U-4!
(yeah right! )
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Woodstock_69
06-20-2006, 06:29 AM
Please follow this link:

http://home.att.net/~historyzone/F4U-4.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ehistoryzone/F4U-4.html)

If this is true i gonna whine for a F4U-4!
(yeah right! )
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Xiolablu3
06-20-2006, 07:34 AM
Of COURSE it is! Its on the interweb!



F4U didnt have a very good climb, in fact it was pretty poor. Not such good guns on the usual versions. Note that he compares the climb to a P51, which is not a great climber either.

It was pretty fast tho and could carry a lot of ordanance.

I dont know a lot about it to be honest, but I have seen some roll rate/climb rate charts versus other plabnes and the F4U isnt anything special on these, in fact its in the lower half of the planes compared in each test.

I am sure it had some very good characteristics, maybe some people can tell us for sure. It was great when compared to other CARRIER planes, thats for sure.

(The guy on the website never compares the plane to anything better in his 'comparisons' He compares it to the P51 mostly and then says it was the best fighter of WW2? Where is the armamment comparison to a FW190? Where is the climb comparision to the Spitfire or 109K? Where is the manouvrability tests against the Zero or Spitfire? Where is the speed test versus the Me262? Take the site with a pinch of salt, its a fan talking about his favourite aircraft , nothing more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

DuxCorvan
06-20-2006, 08:00 AM
Whine as much as you want: many whined about it months ago. But it is one of the 'banned' copyrighted US planes, and the dev team said tacitly 'no' to this very same plane then.

It will *never* be in FB/PF. Pray that any US plane ever makes in BoB. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Woodstock_69
06-20-2006, 08:04 AM
Yep... I agree. Fw 190 should be a better aircraft than F4U(A-C-D1).
However F4UD4 should be the better aircraft.(according to the interweb )I find this hard to believe... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Xiolablu3
06-20-2006, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Whine as much as you want: many whined about it months ago. But it is one of the 'banned' copyrighted US planes, and the dev team said tacitly 'no' to this very same plane then.

It will *never* be in FB/PF. Pray that any US plane ever makes in BoB. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isnt this plane already in the game? The F4U is already in and also the Corsair (British version of the F4U)

It suffers badly fromt he 'wobble syndrome' right now tho. Hopefully this will be fixed in later patches.

In fact I am going to put a request that it be fixed in ORR right now.

Woodstock_69
06-20-2006, 08:44 AM
The F4U-1 is in the game.
F4U-4 however is not... And according to the article the F4U-4 type should be the 'best of the best'.
I don't know much about this type but i find it hard to believe what is said about the F4U-4... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

berg417448
06-20-2006, 08:55 AM
The F4U-4 was a significant improvment over the -1.
"Best of the Best" , like beauty, is always in the eye of the beholder.

Some -4 info:

http://web.infoave.net/~howardds/id80.htm (http://web.infoave.net/%7Ehowardds/id80.htm)

HayateAce
06-20-2006, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Woodstock_69:
Yep... I agree. Fw 190 should be a better aircraft than F4U(A-C-D1).
However F4UD4 should be the better aircraft.(according to the interweb )I find this hard to believe... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to rain on your gay parade:

And I quote: "Both the Corsair and Hellcat were far superior to the Fw190 in turning circles and characteristics. The Corsair and Hellcat could follow the Fw190 in turns with ease at any speed, but the Fw190 could not follow..."

The Hellcat and Corsair were found to be much more maneuverable in turning than the 190. No maneuver could be done in the 190 which could not be followed by both the Corsair and Hellcat. It was found that the 190 requires much greater radius in which to loop than the other two airplanes and tends to stall sharply when trying to follow the Corsair and Hellcat.

If Oleg modeled the 190 properly and gave it the wider turn radius it really had, "Soooooooooiiiiieee" we'd have us some deliverance-style hollerin' from the Run-Ninety folks.

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http://mywebpages.comcast.net/markw4/page3.jpg

HayateAce
06-20-2006, 10:02 AM
I'll translate fer ya:

Whistling Death would eat the Vulcher Bird alive.

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http://www.americanairpowermuseum.com/images2/Corsair%20b.jpg

cmw1980
06-20-2006, 10:33 AM
The corsiar's much prettier too (so it must be better!) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
unlike any of those ugly-mugly 190's/109's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

triad773
06-20-2006, 10:38 AM
Yes the F4U4-F is a fav of mine since I watched 'Black Sheep Squadron.' Fast, beautiful wings, big long nose. Lots of power. I really have missed it in this game.

At least they got the propensity of nose-chop on landing down, tho since the more desirable elements are missing, so what?

DIRTY-MAC
06-20-2006, 11:04 AM
Sorry to rain on your gay parade:

And I quote: "Both the Corsair and Hellcat were far superior to the Fw190 in turning circles and characteristics. The Corsair and Hellcat could follow the Fw190 in turns with ease at any speed, but the Fw190 could not follow..."

The Hellcat and Corsair were found to be much more maneuverable in turning than the 190. No maneuver could be done in the 190 which could not be followed by both the Corsair and Hellcat. It was found that the 190 requires much greater radius in which to loop than the other two airplanes and tends to stall sharply when trying to follow the Corsair and Hellcat.

If Oleg modeled the 190 properly and gave it the wider turn radius it really had, "Soooooooooiiiiieee" we'd have us some deliverance-style hollerin' from the Run-Ninety folks.

Sorry to rain on your gay parade HayateAce

but if YOU are getting outturned in the F4U and Hellcat by the FW190 all the time,like it sounds by your post, maybe you should just zip it and go and practice instead,
geez....dont you ever get tired http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Xiolablu3
06-20-2006, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
I'll translate fer ya:

Whistling Death would eat the Vulcher Bird alive.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which 190 is this test compared too? Climb rates? Firepower comparisons? Where are they?

I find it very hard to belive that the Corsair had a roll rate as fast as a FW190. Everyone knows the FW190 has a poor turning circle, so its no great surprise that the Corsair wins out there.

I am pretty sure this test is versus an older model FW190A. Which FW190A only does 537kph on the deck? The FW190A1 from 1941?

F4U has a poor climb

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/p-38/fighter-comp-chart.jpg


No F4U on here but I cannot belive it rolls as fast as a FW190 or clipped wing Spitfire. PLease prove me wrong.

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tigertalon
06-20-2006, 11:28 AM
Xiola, it was a crash landed JaBo version of Fw190A-4 IIRC. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

This report is contradictory to itself alone. On one hand it claims Fw190 being supreior in roll rate over F6F, on other it claims that no maneuver from Fw190 cannot be followed by F6F.

One of most useful and used maneouvers by 190 pilots when they got a bogey on their tail was a half roll to left, then full roll to right and dive. This way 190 pilot used his greatest advantages combined: roll rate and dive acceleration. The pursuer (most likely a spitfire) with slower roll was struggling to line up with the target, when 190 already dived. Now how on Earth would a Hellcat follow this? (this was actually a reason for introduction of clipped spit)

cmw1980
06-26-2006, 05:12 PM
I forgot to mention, blue things go faster! Everybody knows that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
What more proof do you need?

VW-IceFire
06-26-2006, 05:36 PM
HayateAce you must be an absolutely horrible pilot to be outturned by FW190s in a Corsair or Hellcat. The Corsair can turn with 109s at most speeds and the Hellcat can out turn both 190 and 109 with ease. Luft pilots who get into turn fights thinking they can win against either of these two will be sorely disappointed.

The F4U-1 is a plane I greatly respect. Even given its instability its quite adept in all types of combat. Its not for the newbie pilots but its an excellent and dangerous opponent in the hands of experienced veterans. The Hellcat is much the same.

Brain32
06-26-2006, 06:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> HayateAce you must be an absolutely horrible pilot to be outturned by FW190s in a Corsair or Hellcat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't think he really flies Corsair or Hellcat, I think his plane selection is more like P80,Spit25,La7,La5FN and with all realism options off ofcourse http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

WTE_Galway
06-26-2006, 07:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Whine as much as you want: many whined about it months ago. But it is one of the 'banned' copyrighted US planes, and the dev team said tacitly 'no' to this very same plane then.

It will *never* be in FB/PF. Pray that any US plane ever makes in BoB. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isnt this plane already in the game? The F4U is already in and also the Corsair (British version of the F4U)

It suffers badly fromt he 'wobble syndrome' right now tho. Hopefully this will be fixed in later patches.

In fact I am going to put a request that it be fixed in ORR right now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The undisclosed and undiscussable without thread deletion licencing fees to NG for the existing planes like the F4U (which seem to be the reason US releases of new IL2 products like the complete CD and PE2 are unviable) probably only cover just that .. the existing US planes already in the sim.

Its only US planes that Oleg has to pay lots of money to use in the sim .. hence the reason new aircraft from other countries are still being added.

idonno
06-26-2006, 07:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

Where is the armamment comparison to a FW190? Where is the climb comparision to the Spitfire or 109K? Where is the manouvrability tests against the Zero or Spitfire? Where is the speed test versus the Me262? Take the site with a pinch of salt, its a fan talking about his favourite aircraft , nothing more http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what you're saying is that to qualify as the best fighter of WWII it would have to have the cannons of the 190, along with the climb of a 109K, the maneuverability of a Zeke, and let's not forget the speed of a 262. That would certainly be quite an airplane.

VW-IceFire
06-26-2006, 08:05 PM
Xiola has a point...but I think most of them can be squashed.

The F4U-4 nearly has the climb rate of the Spitfire XIV, the 4B has the firepower of the FW190, is faster than all but one or two propeller driven fighters and it can probably out turn quite a few types as well (considering how good the F4U-1 is). It really is a strong contender for best propeller driven fighter ever.

LStarosta
06-26-2006, 09:17 PM
Everything you read on the internets is true.

Except for this.

AKA_TAGERT
06-27-2006, 12:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/p-38/fighter-comp-chart.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW!

Check out the ROC of the P38H! 4600fpm!

Man! I wish this game modled the 38H! That is better than in-game 38L LATE!

No wonder the P38s turned the tide of the Luftwaffe early in the war!

Capt.LoneRanger
06-27-2006, 02:20 AM
HayateAce, I like that table you posted!

F4U with the 1D version, F6F -3 version and the F190. Oh, what verson was this again? Ah, sure all FW190 are the same, with and without booster.

Same for this very nice table. We find the P38H and P39N and under F we find everything labeled FW190.

Damned, these tables must be taken serious! Oleg fix this! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Badsight-
06-27-2006, 02:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">it was a crash landed JaBo version of Fw190A-4 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>ahhhh Hayatedumbarse . . . . ignorance is bliissssss! , & you should know ****** : )

(actually it was an A5 , without the boost operating - but meh like HayateTroll knew that mr"its a 190 tho!" lol)