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ploughman
06-24-2007, 01:34 PM
Explainations plis.


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na85
06-24-2007, 01:35 PM
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/index.html

Cold Meat Platter
06-24-2007, 01:41 PM
the use of the swastika as a marking by all sides was quite common in world war one as it was a good luck symbol. Not sure how long after that it was used.

(edited for sausage-fingered idiocy)

Cold Meat Platter
06-24-2007, 01:46 PM
Although i would think up until it was bagsied by old Adolf

boxmike
06-24-2007, 01:51 PM
Westland Wapiti of 84 Sqn. They had Wapitis 1928-35. I tried to find one article about this matter, it may have been on some magazine, cannot remember. Swastika was true in quite a many usage before nazis become reality to everyone

rgds

box

berg417448
06-24-2007, 01:56 PM
Often used as a good luck symbol prior to its association with the Nazi party.Check out this photo of the inside of the nose of the Spirit of St Louis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Spirit_of_St._Louis_Nose_Cone_1.jpg

DuxCorvan
06-24-2007, 01:59 PM
Well, I see a post-WW1 British plane with swastika symbols, a very popular sun symbol used since prehistoric times throughout the world for thousands of years before the nazis tainted it by giving it an ideological meaning. Even the name 'swastika' has an Indian origin (it is a very common religious and good luck symbol in India).

The guy was using as personal marking what was a completely innocent symbol by then.

A Roman mosaic decorated with a swastika:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Romswastika.jpg

In fact, the Finnish swastika was used long before WW2 and had nothing to do with nazism. It was retired just because of misunderstanding external pressure. Now the Finnish are trying to recover their traditional national, non-nazi, swastika.

Viking-S
06-24-2007, 02:06 PM
As I recall they where based at Iraq at the time and the swastika is a common symbol for luck in the East. Funny, strange, that the majority of the people of this planet never will get to know what this symbol represented for a brief time in history. They will continue to use if for what it always was and always will be to them.

Viking

leitmotiv
06-24-2007, 02:53 PM
Interesting they had a clockwise swastika on the tail (sun symbol) and counterclockwise swastika on the top wing (moon symbol). Probably reading Frazer's THE GOLDEN BOUGH to pass the time between missions bombing unruly Iraqi tribes for Air Control.

NEAS is afoot again!

K_Freddie
06-24-2007, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by na85:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/index.html

Zoom into the tail section, old sport!. Hardly a photoshopped one I'd say, what ?
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Interesting find this is... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

LStarosta
06-24-2007, 04:13 PM
I don't know why everyone here is giving you such BS answers, but the pilot was a Nazi and a Jew-hater.

K_Freddie
06-24-2007, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
I don't know why everyone here is giving you such BS answers, but the pilot was a Nazi and a Jew-hater.

Maybe not a Nazi or a Jew-hater, but probably a supporter of the 'orderly discipline' and ordered society that Adolph propagated. There were many in every country around the world who supported his ideology at this time, and were probably unaware of his 'final solution'.

Remember the nazi's were an attractive alternative to a then, chaotic world in depression. A country under subversive state control is an oppressed state where little news gets out. So maybe the rest of the world knew little (ignored) about the true aims of the nazi's.

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HuninMunin
06-24-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
I don't know why everyone here is giving you such BS answers, but the pilot was a Nazi and a Jew-hater.

And became infamous by the name of "Dr. Evil" after the war.

Skycat_2
06-24-2007, 05:28 PM
The 'good luck symbol' theory is plausible but the look and placement of the swastika on the tail is just too coincidental in my opinion.

I'm venturing a guess that this has something to do with France's Vichy (http://www.century-of-flight.freeola.com/Aviation%20history/WW2/French%20air%20force.htm) government and/or the Armistice Air Force (http://aerostories.free.fr/dossiers/AA/vichy/page8.html) ... The swastika may be there to further identify the plane as 'friendly' to the Germans, maybe while being ferried to another location or transferred to the Luftwaffe?

zardozid
06-24-2007, 09:03 PM
Vichy maybe...but the one on top of the wing is backwards.

leitmotiv
06-24-2007, 09:55 PM
For petessakes, that is a Westland Wapiti RAF Army Cooperation aircraft used only overseas. Get your aircraft ID down + periodization. That is not Vichy French---the French never used Wapitis---they had their own colonial aircraft. The period is obviously before Hitler became Chancellor of the Reich in Jan 1933---otherwise the swastikas would have been removed. Read a book and quit relying on intuition. Believe it or not, the swastika was an innocuous good luck symbol to most people in the 1920's---that's why the Finns adopted it as the symbol of their air force in honor of the Swedish aristo who liked the symbol who had bought aircraft for them in their early days. The American Sioux Indians used the clockwise swastika on their headdress a century before Hitler.

LStarosta
06-24-2007, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
For petessakes, that is a Westland Wapiti RAF Army Cooperation aircraft used only overseas. Get your aircraft ID down + periodization. That is not Vichy French---the French never used Wapitis---they had their own colonial aircraft. The period is obviously before Hitler became Chancellor of the Reich in Jan 1933---otherwise the swastikas would have been removed. Read a book and quit relying on intuition. Believe it or not, the swastika was an innocuous good luck symbol to most people in the 1920's---that's why the Finns adopted it as the symbol of their air force in honor of the Swedish aristo who liked the symbol who had bought aircraft for them in their early days. The American Sioux Indians used the clockwise swastika on their headdress a century before Hitler.

Nonsense.

leitmotiv
06-24-2007, 10:01 PM
Get an education.

LStarosta
06-24-2007, 10:05 PM
O I can't believe how I just fishz0red yu0.

You have just been Tacticooled™.


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leitmotiv
06-24-2007, 10:10 PM
I haven't been fed my uncooked mongoose yet.

http://www.ivyandmartin.demon.co.uk/v_wapiti.htm

http://www.jaapteeuwen.com/ww2aircraft/html%20pages/WESTLAND%20WAPITI.htm

Skarphol
06-25-2007, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by boxmike:
Westland Wapiti of 84 Sqn. They had Wapitis 1928-35. I tried to find one article about this matter, it may have been on some magazine, cannot remember.

I'm pretty sure that was in FlyPast magazine, less than a year ago.

Skarphol

HuninMunin
06-25-2007, 03:12 AM
You two are just to bogous to be true. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

ake109
06-25-2007, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Get an education.

Eh, you do realise he was being sarcastic right?

WTE_Ibis
06-25-2007, 04:21 AM
In my home town here in Oz there was a school that had swastika motifs as decoration on the chimneys. Needless to say they have been removed.

ps. maybe Hitler was gonna sue for trademark violation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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HuninMunin
06-25-2007, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by ake109:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Get an education.

Eh, you do realise he was being sarcastic right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes he does.
They are just playing ( beeing the nutcases they are).

Hawgdog
06-25-2007, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The American Sioux Indians used the clockwise swastika on their headdress a century before Hitler.

DAM YOU JEW HATING INDIANS!!!!
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Blutarski2004
06-25-2007, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Nonsense.[/QUOTE]


..... If you examine page 176a of the book "I Flew with the Lafayette Escadrille", by E C Parsons, you will see a very nice portrait photograph of a Lafayette Escadrile SPAD VII sporting a 3ft x 3ft "classic" swastika on the side of the fuselage. This was the a/c of the American pilot Didier Masson circa 1917/18.

Edit - I DIDN'T realize you were being sarcastic - 8>( - sorry 'bout that.

Grendel-B
06-25-2007, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
For petessakes, that is a Westland Wapiti RAF Army Cooperation aircraft used only overseas. Get your aircraft ID down + periodization. That is not Vichy French---the French never used Wapitis---they had their own colonial aircraft. The period is obviously before Hitler became Chancellor of the Reich in Jan 1933---otherwise the swastikas would have been removed. Read a book and quit relying on intuition. Believe it or not, the swastika was an innocuous good luck symbol to most people in the 1920's---that's why the Finns adopted it as the symbol of their air force in honor of the Swedish aristo who liked the symbol who had bought aircraft for them in their early days. The American Sioux Indians used the clockwise swastika on their headdress a century before Hitler.

Nonsense. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nonsense?

Ever read a history book?
Ever went to school, actually?

I'd suggest you to learn a bit about history and the history of the swastika symbol. You might be surprised.

LStarosta
06-25-2007, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Nonsense.


..... If you examine page 176a of the book "I Flew with the Lafayette Escadrille", by E C Parsons, you will see a very nice portrait photograph of a Lafayette Escadrile SPAD VII sporting a 3ft x 3ft "classic" swastika on the side of the fuselage. This was the a/c of the American pilot Didier Masson circa 1917/18.

Edit - I DIDN'T realize you were being sarcastic - 8>( - sorry 'bout that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Nonsense?

Ever read a history book?
Ever went to school, actually?

I'd suggest you to learn a bit about history and the history of the swastika symbol. You might be surprised.



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ploughman
06-25-2007, 12:27 PM
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ploughman
06-25-2007, 12:30 PM
Interesting replies, likes the Lindbergh one. Flyers were a fairly superstitious lot and I guess having a bit luck beneath your wings was just the thing.

leitmotiv
06-25-2007, 12:43 PM
French and British pilots used the swastika on their aircraft in WWI. Swastika amulets were sold by the thousands as good luck charms in Germany during WWI.