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I.GJ53Hoepner
03-09-2004, 05:32 PM
Hello,


I'm playin a carreer campaign on german side(leningrad front-starting from 41).I played 27 missions in this camp.I always flew on the bf-109F which i consider a very very good fighter.It prooved to me to very competitive against almost every russian fighter untill late 42.I a mission in september 42 i got badly wounded and i was sent to hospital.when i came back in Gen-43 my squadronn was supplied with the FW190A5.For what i knew this was a great fighter,so i was happy to can fight with it.The first mission was fighetr-bomber one.My plane was armed with 4 little bombs and one bigger.It was my first fighetr bomber fly and i found very difficult to learn how to use the plane with all that weight aboard.When i finally dropped those noisy bombs(none hit the target off course:P) i decided to engage a fighting with a Russian Lag....my plane was unable to climb fast...the climb rate was terrible...a pain to manover at high altitudes...a complete mess anyhow.
In the second fighing bombing mission was the same....i found this plane undervaluated....or probably i just thought it was better than what it was in reality....
I want my Bf 109 back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does any of you who flew with this 2 planes notice the same great differences?
Is there a way to force my commander to change their minds and go back to the Messerschmit?

I.GJ53Hoepner
03-09-2004, 05:32 PM
Hello,


I'm playin a carreer campaign on german side(leningrad front-starting from 41).I played 27 missions in this camp.I always flew on the bf-109F which i consider a very very good fighter.It prooved to me to very competitive against almost every russian fighter untill late 42.I a mission in september 42 i got badly wounded and i was sent to hospital.when i came back in Gen-43 my squadronn was supplied with the FW190A5.For what i knew this was a great fighter,so i was happy to can fight with it.The first mission was fighetr-bomber one.My plane was armed with 4 little bombs and one bigger.It was my first fighetr bomber fly and i found very difficult to learn how to use the plane with all that weight aboard.When i finally dropped those noisy bombs(none hit the target off course:P) i decided to engage a fighting with a Russian Lag....my plane was unable to climb fast...the climb rate was terrible...a pain to manover at high altitudes...a complete mess anyhow.
In the second fighing bombing mission was the same....i found this plane undervaluated....or probably i just thought it was better than what it was in reality....
I want my Bf 109 back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does any of you who flew with this 2 planes notice the same great differences?
Is there a way to force my commander to change their minds and go back to the Messerschmit?

BlitzPig_DDT
03-09-2004, 05:48 PM
Not sure about AEP, but, the 190 has always been short changed. In every way, including view. In FB, the 109 was a better plane, which doesn't match any western source. Apparently it does match the soviet sources. Go figure, eh? lol

In any event, you can use the 190 effectively, but, it's a different fighting style from the 109. Spiral climbs are out of the question. BnZ is also marginal. Hit n run (dive, fire, extend level, climb when safe, rinse, repeat) seems to be more it's game. All depends on the opponent.

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BBB_Hyperion
03-09-2004, 05:52 PM
Stay fast. Maintain alt. Forget about turning. Fight in the vertical at speed around 400+.

Regards,
Hyperion

I.GJ53Hoepner
03-09-2004, 05:55 PM
BTW i'm playin FB...still not sold in my country AEPhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
I'll try to practice some more on it but for what i read in the past i really thought FW190 series were better than bf-109...

LEXX_Luthor
03-09-2004, 06:09 PM
Gen.Hoepner:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'll try to practice some more on it but for what i read in the past i really thought FW190 series were better than bf-109...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not better in air combat, but better at winning a WAR. The ability to carry bombs--never seen on Russian fighters--and longer range are real life advantages of Fw, but those things are not well liked advantages for the modern computer dogfighter simmer.

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boltonlam
03-09-2004, 06:10 PM
what stall speed of fw-190?its easy to stall when it turn.

LEXX_Luthor
03-09-2004, 06:13 PM
Don't get suckered into a turn fight, they will eat you.

Hunde_3.JG51
03-09-2004, 06:22 PM
Remember that you are also carrying bomb racks which really effect 190 handling in a negative way. You will climb even slower, lose speed, stall easier, etc. The 190 with racks is a dog.

And as others have said, many of the 190's RL advantages cannot be simulated in a computer game (yet) or simply are not as important in game realm, such as: Reliability, pilot friendliness, range, ease of maintanence, durability in varied weather conditions, etc.

Fly a clean 190 and you will see the difference. Also the 190 requires very specific tactics that take awhile to learn.

Here is a good thread that me and others wrote on how to fly the 190 effectively:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=22810009

Hope this helps, enjoy.

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I.GJ53Hoepner
03-09-2004, 07:09 PM
Great link that one u posted...thanks a lot.
I'll read it and try to figure out how to use this plane properly...I gotta say that in this week(since i got my hands on FB) i've only flew with the 109...probably it's just because of that that i do not see the advantages of the 190.
I made an attempt online just 2 minutes ago...using a 109f...well...a disaster is the only word i can express^_^. I need a lottttttttt of practice against human opponents

Lunix
03-09-2004, 07:22 PM
The A5 is a really great plane. Honest! Throw everthing you learned about piloting the 109 into the trash as the A5 requires a different set of tactics alltogether. Note: this plane is fast so if your going to climb do shallow high speed ones and leave everyone in the dust http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif A good 190 pilot should be pretty much untouchable...

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jamesdietz
03-09-2004, 09:10 PM
Has any one of you guys who has flown all the FW- 190A varients found one to be better than the others???

Fillmore
03-09-2004, 09:15 PM
The 190A5 is a fantastic fighter and is completely superior to all VVS planes of that year EXCEPT La5FN.

BUT

The bombracks make a big difference. Never ever try to dogfight if you took wing bombs (I thought they were going to fix the campaigns so the default loadout was centerline only). With the center rack you lose 12kph top speed and you lose speed quicker in turns, stall sooner and climb worse, but it is still the equal of '43 VVS fighters (not superior any more, but equal, except La5FN). With wing racks you can completely forget about dealing with enemy fighters, they will completely pwn you.

JV44Rall
03-10-2004, 08:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jamesdietz:
Has any one of you guys who has flown all the FW- 190A varients found one to be better than the others???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm still getting used to the FM of the AEP FWs (which change with every release, thank you very much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif). But generally, the A5 is the most nimble, while the A9 is the fastest and, with the Mk108 wing cannon option, has the most firepower. No hard data here, just impressions, but the A4 is a little slower but still agile, and the A8 is a little slower and a bit of a brick. When all are available, I usually fly the A9 and sometimes the A5.

c-ber3
03-10-2004, 08:29 AM
I had the same experience when I went from my 109 E/7 to the 190 A5. I still hate it.

NorrisMcWhirter
03-10-2004, 10:22 AM
Hi,

I finished the F4 campaign to fly the A5 and was horrified by the performance with a bomb load.

However, that was some time ago and I know fly the 190A9 online as often as possible. Also, the A5 (no bombs!).

They are both excellent a/c for bnz but you have to think ahead and you have to have altitude.

The thread on 190 tactics is excellent and I've seen the scissors used to excellent effect although I generally find that most people give up chasing an A9 on the deck.

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MZ6
03-10-2004, 11:50 AM
The FW190 rocks!! Personally, I'm useless with a 109, other people are amazing in a 109. Clearly this is because I can't fly a 109 well, not because it's a poor aircraft.

Although I don't consider my self an expert, I find the 190 has an advantage in fire power, roll rate, acceleration, and its low lateral stability. Its suppose to have a speed advantage but I haven't noticed this to be as true as it should be.

Overall, maintain speed, avoid vertical manuevers and sitck to the horizontal, in the verical let the 190 slide sideways (the low lateral stability lets the 190 'slide-turn' sideways in vericle maneueuvers where other planes have to bank), avoid losing to much E ( I usually never turn more than 180 degrees), finally maintain a high wing load (like a P-47).

By combining e superior roll rate, low lateral stability, and excellent horizontal turning, you will find that the 190 is very effective, even in it's current FM.

Like I said, I'm not an expert, but I've scored well with a 190, and I hope some of this may help.

Spinnetti
03-10-2004, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gen.Hoepner:
BTW i'm playin FB...still not sold in my country AEPhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
I'll try to practice some more on it but for what i read in the past i really thought FW190 series were better than bf-109...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its worse in AEP and was much worse prior to v 1.22, so enjoy it - Its still my favorite, though many planes in AEP seem to be a lot better at everything.

VW-IceFire
03-10-2004, 12:34 PM
I dislike flying the 109 and love flying the 190 (no AEP, don't know about that). The A-5 is an excellent fighter. Two tips on getting this bird to do things that you want it to do:

1) When in combat, engage WEP to boost your engine. Turn it off after the overheat warning comes on.

2) Use prop pitch and set it according to throttle (but I like it at 95% most of the time). At these settings the FW190 has no shortage of power that you can translate into speed or altitude.

A-5 is bloody deadly when you get a feel for her.

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TooCooL34
03-10-2004, 12:43 PM
Fw-190 A5 (even A4) is definitely good fighter.

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