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Horvald
11-14-2005, 09:14 AM
I used to think I knew what a task force was until I came across a couple of different versions in the game. One was a group of destroyers, another included a carier and the last was a large convoy with more than the usual amount of destroyers. What is a real task force and what is it the game defines as a task force? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Horvald
11-14-2005, 09:14 AM
I used to think I knew what a task force was until I came across a couple of different versions in the game. One was a group of destroyers, another included a carier and the last was a large convoy with more than the usual amount of destroyers. What is a real task force and what is it the game defines as a task force? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

The_Silent_O
11-14-2005, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Horvald:
I used to think I knew what a task force was until I came across a couple of different versions in the game. One was a group of destroyers, another included a carier and the last was a large convoy with more than the usual amount of destroyers...<span class="ev_code_RED">would be known as a "Hunter-Killer" Group. (http://uboat.net/allies/ships/hunter.htm)</span> What is a real task force and what is it the game defines as a task force? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...Watch out! They are looking for you!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

JU88
11-14-2005, 01:56 PM
Taskforces:
Some are military and contain large warships like battleships and carriers, others are merchant taskforces (a convoy basically)
You can tell which it is in the radio contact reports, by looking at its speed, if its around 7 knots, its just merchants, if its 21+ knots its a bunch of warships.

A true task force is usually mixed destroyers/cruisers/battleships (these are quite rare)

A Hunter killer group is as the name suggests just a bunch of DDs and an escort carrier, that go around looking to beat up U-boats (YOU).

Horvald
11-14-2005, 03:02 PM
Yep already ran into one of those. I thought it was going to be a warship. Man, was my face red when I found out it was a hunter killer group."sorry crew your captain's incompetence almost got you killed, whoops". Luckily I saw them before they saw me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

Fekin_Von_dEtRi
11-14-2005, 03:05 PM
Taskforces are a diamond on the map, just like a standard warship is, where as a convoy is a square.
I get taskforce contacts every patrol, and generally get into firing possition roughly 70% of patrols, but I am yet to see a carrier included in one.
They have always been 2 battleships, 2 or 3 cruisers and 6 or 7 destroyers, with maybe a few aux cruisers every so often.

Kaleun1961
11-14-2005, 03:09 PM
There seems to be a permanent task force that sails around the area east of Scotland in the North Sea. I've seen reports of it several times on different patrols. I intercepted it once and found it consisted of five destroyers that seem to simply pound up and down coast of Scotland in the area of Scapa Flow.

Fekin_Von_dEtRi
11-14-2005, 03:13 PM
Hey, hows the knee ?

Kaleun1961
11-14-2005, 03:18 PM
The use of the term "hunter killer" is an Americanism. The British used the term "support group." Although they describe essentially the same thing, in the early part of the war for the Americans they would send such assets out to hunt for U-boats. This was soon determined to be a waste of resources, as the U-boat's ability to evade these hunters meant that there was almost no chance of them killing a U-boat by offensive action.

The British learned that the most likely place to find a U-boat was in the vicinity of a convoy. In the early years when escorts were in short supply, they could not afford to prosecute a contact for sufficient time to kill the U-boat. We see this in the game, how soon the escorts break off the hunt to return to the convoy. Later, when there were more ASW assets available, the British formed what they termed Support Groups. These would be at sea in the area of the convoy lanes, not attached directly to a convoy. When a convoy was attacked or when the Admiralty, through radio intercepts, determined a convoy had a wolfpack assembling around it, the Support Group would move to reinforce the convoy escorts. The Support Group generally consisted of faster and more experienced destroyers, and later in the war were able add escort carriers. They would spend the time to hunt a U-boat to its death, while the convoy escorts remained with the convoy. This was a very successful doctrine, which, sadly, the green U.S. Navy was not early to adopt. Once they realized the futility of "offensive" U-boat patrols, they enjoyed more success.

Kaleun1961
11-14-2005, 03:20 PM
This is the 4th day after surgery. Today I began to hobble about the house without crutches. It's still sore and swollen, but I am now able to get by without pain meds. Thanks for asking.

Ratek
11-15-2005, 03:50 AM
Good to hear of your progress...