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Tallyho1961
06-07-2005, 10:24 AM
With all due credit to BA_ Dart, he posted a link over at SimHQ to this interview (http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/golodnikov/part1.htm) with a Soviet pilot who flew I-16s and Hurricanes. It's a great read and makes me want to take an I-16 out for a spin.

Is anybody aware of any good I-16 campaigns?

SeaFireLIV
06-07-2005, 10:28 AM
I saw this about a year or so ago. I read the whole thing and saved it to disc. Stuff like this I find invaluable and it really helps me get into the mindset of being a fighter pilot on the cold and deadly Eastern Front. Everyone flying the Eastern Front Campaign should read it - it`s REALITY!

Tallyho1961
06-07-2005, 10:34 AM
Don't you just love the part where he says that to save time they would cut the landing gear cable with a pair of pliers and waggle the aircraft to shake the gear into the locked and down position? I somehow doubt that was part of the official training program http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DxyFlyr
06-07-2005, 12:18 PM
I saw this a while back too. Glad to see it again. One thing I remembered from that article was this quote about the I-16...

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"It could fall into a spin at the slightest €œoverhandling€ of the stick. True, one could recover quickly, whether from a simple or inverted spin."
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It was the "recover quickly" part that raised my eyebrows. The I-16 is one of my favorites in the game, but I don't remember ever recovering quickly from a spin in it. More often than not, I'm jumping out of a spinning I-16. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaFireLIV
06-07-2005, 12:35 PM
Yes, good point. I fly the I16 VERY regularly and when I stall it`s pretty hard to recover. If you`re low you`ve had it. Interesting there`s not much been said on this. Poor I16 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


Hmmm, perhaps I should show these words to Oleg and whine until I16s recover more realistically to historical accounts.

DxyFlyr
06-07-2005, 12:48 PM
Well, at least the first half of the spin model is accurate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JunkoIfurita
06-08-2005, 02:20 AM
Man, a lot of virtual pilots from a lot of servers could learn from Safonov when it comes to their behaviour online. A true team player, by all accounts


He did, and perhaps even more. Safonov was an exceptional marksman and in a single engagement might shoot down two or even three German aircraft. But Safonov had a rule€"€œdo not register more than one kill per battle for yourself.€ He passed along all the others to his wingmen. I remember well one engagement when he shot down three German aircraft and then ordered that one be scored to him, one to Semenenko (Petr Semenenko flew as wingman to Safonov), and the third to someone else. Petya stood up and said, €œComrade commander, I didn€t even fire. I did not break the muzzle cover.€ (After the machine guns on the Hurricane were reloaded, the wing muzzle openings were covered with percale to keep the dust and dirt out. AS) And Safonov said to him, €œYou did not fire, but I did fire, and you supported my firing!€ And Safonov played out this little charade on many occasions.

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Abbuzze
06-08-2005, 03:35 AM
Yes read it some years ago...

I can understand the I16 pilots, that point outs things like the stallrecover but from from a point of a LW pilot I "like" other things more:

Our FB laserguns, let our engines smoke even at 500-700m:



N. G. In our regiment we commenced firing at ranges of 70€"50 meters, when we could see the rivets. One could not miss with either sight at that range. We never fired from beyond 200 meters. It was too far.

We mounted ShKASs [7.62mm] in the wings, sometimes two in each wing and sometimes one. This was on old types, -4 and -5. These were very rapid firing machine guns and not very reliable. They had frequent stoppages. They were susceptible to dust. During the firing of a long burst they gave a tolerable dispersion. But we rarely fired in long bursts, rather primarily in short bursts, to range and then destroy the target. The destructive power of the ShKAS was not great. They were suitable to use against a Bf-109E, which was insufficiently armored. But the ShKAS was weak against an F model or a bomber.


Or the laser rockets- dispersion for unguided rockets?? Who need it in this game! They go straight as an arrow!


A. S. Were rockets mounted on the I-16?

N. G. They were. 57 and 82mm, primarily 57mm. Two were mounted under each wing. These were not a precision weapon, especially the 57mm. But if someone fired a salvo at a group of bombers, the group lost its formation as the targets dispersed in various directions. It was a sight to behold.

So maybe some aspects of a plane in this game are better, some are worse than in RL...

BBB_Hyperion
06-08-2005, 06:01 AM
The €œMesser€ could dive well and get away. The I-16, with its rather large nose, could not develop 530 kmh in a dive. But it must be said that in combat, if we had to disengage, them from us or we from them, we always managed to do so.

Thats funny too try I-16 top dive .)

PBNA-Boosher
06-08-2005, 07:19 AM
I rather loved these. They still, even after so long a time that I've read them, are inspiring nonetheless.

NorrisMcWhirter
06-08-2005, 02:00 PM
Hi,

I thought that was an interesting read when I saw it the first time around. It's even more interesting now as, like suggested, you can compare it with the in-game matchup of I16 and 109.

And it's said that VVS don't have an artificial advantage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ta,
Norris

Yog_Shoggoth
06-08-2005, 02:08 PM
The 16 is my favorite bird. It's why I wanted to see a Claude. Very good read.

LEXX_Luthor
06-08-2005, 09:03 PM
Good article on the early I~16s...

~> http://www.brushfirewars.org/aircraft/polikarpov_i-16/polikarpov_i-16_1.htm

I~16 is still Feared even today, among teh internet Dogfighters.

Capt_Haddock
06-09-2005, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
The €œMesser€ could dive well and get away. The I-16, with its rather large nose, could not develop 530 kmh in a dive.
There is a brilliant interview with a Republican pilot from the Spanish Civil War ( Andrés Fierro Menu ) where he said he once dived a Mosca at 800 Km/h (Isn't it a bit too much?) He said that at that speed the early 109s couldn't follow, as their tails use to be very week. Later during the war they had to take them back to Germany to reinforce the tailplanes.

He also said that at that speed in a Mosca, the tail controls would invert: the rudder would work as elevator, and the elevator as rudder. He had to use both feet on the same pedal to get the thing out of the dive, and he almost didn't make it apparently.

The interview is here. At the Project SCW website:
http://scw.hardgame.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=289

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Slechtvalk
06-09-2005, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Abbuzze:
Yes read it some years ago...

I can understand the I16 pilots, that point outs things like the stallrecover but from from a point of a LW pilot I "like" other things more:

Our FB laserguns, let our engines smoke even at 500-700m:

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N. G. In our regiment we commenced firing at ranges of 70€"50 meters, when we could see the rivets. One could not miss with either sight at that range. We never fired from beyond 200 meters. It was too far.

We mounted ShKASs [7.62mm] in the wings, sometimes two in each wing and sometimes one. This was on old types, -4 and -5. These were very rapid firing machine guns and not very reliable. They had frequent stoppages. They were susceptible to dust. During the firing of a long burst they gave a tolerable dispersion. But we rarely fired in long bursts, rather primarily in short bursts, to range and then destroy the target. The destructive power of the ShKAS was not great. They were suitable to use against a Bf-109E, which was insufficiently armored. But the ShKAS was weak against an F model or a bomber.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey abbu http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Interesting. Shooting is still the most unrealistic aspect from this game in my eyes. Mostly too much damage and way to easy to hit planes at large distances.

Like he said; it's almost impossible to shoot targets which are further away then 200 meters so they didn't even try yet in this game 200 meters is a very good distance to shoot planes down.