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Woof603
01-10-2007, 02:15 PM
Billfish, I've just discovered your Questions Thread on the Pacific Fighters Forum and noticed your quote: "I essentially NEVER had any education till about 30 years old, couldn't even read or write, knew absolutely nothing......and yet now 11 years later I'm even teaching myself how to read and write Japanese...."
I confess to not reading all 32 pages in the thread, so I may have missed your further elucidation, but I'm very interested in the circumstances you describe. Whether I've agreed with you or not, I've always been impressed with your posts and your knowledge. It seems you have now, and have had, a unique life. I'd love to read more details of your personal history. And forgive me if I appear nosy.

LEBillfish
01-10-2007, 08:49 PM
Woof603;

Nice of you to take notice however it being something though not ashamed of, I do not share with many people. Quite frankly, especially in an open forum there are simply too many either too immature, juvenile, or insulated of the rest of the world except their little portion to understand much of it. Posts by those having little concept of crushing poverty, racism as it was, or the third world all too evident and to shield their own ignorance make light of instead. In kind as much as I will not tolerate criticism of "my life"....I also do not take well "sorry's or pity".

In any case pertinent to your point of curiosity, essentially my only formal education was 5-10 years old till I left home. Even those years there really no education as simply left alone the little I was able to get to school due to pity on the part of some, and shunning by others. From roughly 12-24, my time was spent in third world, non English speaking countries and always in the poorest parts of it. From then to meeting my husband at around 30, simply surviving and my language skills so poor and muddled by slang of other languages for the most part kept me from trying to advance.

ALL of my education, even the ability to respond to you here, began after a couple years with my husband shielded from the world and allowed to choose to learn on my own without pressure. No, self pity, shame or anger over it....Just simply how my life played out. Yet understand it is not unique, nor any more exceptional then any others simply different. As everyone has their story, one no tougher then another it all relative to what we know/have experienced.

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XyZspineZyX
01-10-2007, 09:34 PM
Well its inspiring to read to say the least, Billfish. Kind of reminds all the lazy people like myself to get up and stop procrastinating on the things I've always wanted to learn. Thanks.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SeaFireLIV
01-11-2007, 03:02 AM
Interesting. I understand more your experiences than you may realise, LEBillfish. Like you, I stop on sharing my deeper experiences on a faceless forum. Sounds like you have a good husband that clearly shows through.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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LStarosta
01-11-2007, 06:53 AM
I, on the other hand, probably let people know too much.

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Diablo310th
01-11-2007, 08:14 AM
LEBillfish....as a high school teacher I salute you lady for your effort and accomplishments. It's good to see someone with the ambition to learn despite all the tribulations. I myself am inspired by your effort. ~S~<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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PFflyer
01-11-2007, 10:48 AM
Wow, the starter of this thread must have thought for months about how he could make Billfish's head even bigger than it was.


A feat many thought was unreachable, like cold fusion, or getting toast to land jellied side up.


Now it is large enough where it has it's own gravity field, and smaller self-important A sses can be seen captured and in orbit around it.


Is there some kind of award for such accomplishements?


ANd LStarosta, that is NOT your actual picture right? please say it is not. I thought the world was free of the last trailer-park-trash hair-do like that years ago.

crazyivan1970
01-11-2007, 10:55 AM
I know girly girl for .... 4 years? She is one of a kind. Did i mention that she is pure danger in the virtual skies too? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BSS_Goat
01-11-2007, 10:57 AM
Charisma, that's what PFflyer has, charisma.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
01-11-2007, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Charisma, that's what PFflyer has, charisma.

Is it contagious? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

SeaFireLIV
01-11-2007, 12:08 PM
PFflyer has a point. There is a certain self- immolation and dare I say heroine worship going on? Does explain some of the somewhat sucking up praise I see Bill get which imho is not especially earned. Why? because she`s female? because she knows about japanese aircraft somewhat? Many here know a bit about Japanese planes and are around as much, do they get the same praise?

We are all Human, we have all had our problems with a life that some others could not imagine and no one is better, especially just cos they`re female. Which I`m beginning to think is happening here.

I have a basic decent human respect for Billfish as well as ALL the decent part of the community, but no more than that.

Perhaps I should not have participated earlier in the thread as it does put too much favour to one person.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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Woof603
01-11-2007, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Woof603;

Nice of you to take notice however it being something though not ashamed of, I do not share with many people. Quite frankly, especially in an open forum there are simply too many either too immature, juvenile, or insulated of the rest of the world except their little portion to understand much of it. Posts by those having little concept of crushing poverty, racism as it was, or the third world all too evident and to shield their own ignorance make light of instead. In kind as much as I will not tolerate criticism of "my life"....I also do not take well "sorry's or pity".

In any case pertinent to your point of curiosity, essentially my only formal education was 5-10 years old till I left home. Even those years there really no education as simply left alone the little I was able to get to school due to pity on the part of some, and shunning by others. From roughly 12-24, my time was spent in third world, non English speaking countries and always in the poorest parts of it. From then to meeting my husband at around 30, simply surviving and my language skills so poor and muddled by slang of other languages for the most part kept me from trying to advance.

ALL of my education, even the ability to respond to you here, began after a couple years with my husband shielded from the world and allowed to choose to learn on my own without pressure. No, self pity, shame or anger over it....Just simply how my life played out. Yet understand it is not unique, nor any more exceptional then any others simply different. As everyone has their story, one no tougher then another it all relative to what we know/have experienced.

K2

Thank you for sharing this much, Billfish. I am still intrigued.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
01-11-2007, 12:48 PM
Yeah, everybody knows whose the temple here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Anyway, as a member of a body cult, I use to praise womens' bodies. I also accept offerings to my own body, in the form of delicious dishes, comfy chairs and gorgeous sacrificial virgins.

BSS_Goat
01-11-2007, 01:54 PM
D@MN Seafire, ya' gots ta be nice to 'em or you'll never get lucky......<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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GreyFox5
01-11-2007, 04:11 PM
Your just making up for lost time there BF. Good for you - at least you didn't go to school and come away all jaded etc.

As for flying. Well lets just say you could teach us all a lot! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

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01-11-2007, 04:42 PM
Hereby I officially apply to mods for a one week ban for DuxCorvan for posting the picture. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
01-11-2007, 04:52 PM
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01-11-2007, 04:55 PM
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MEGILE
01-11-2007, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by PFflyer:


ANd LStarosta, that is NOT your actual picture right? please say it is not. I thought the world was free of the last trailer-park-trash hair-do like that years ago.

LMAO.

Starosa would be dishonourably discharged with a cut like that.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Esel1964
01-11-2007, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PFflyer:


ANd LStarosta, that is NOT your actual picture right? please say it is not. I thought the world was free of the last trailer-park-trash hair-do like that years ago.

LMAO.

Starosa would be dishonourably discharged with a cut like that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like a sweet mullet to me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LStarosta
01-11-2007, 10:25 PM
Yeah, it's an awesome mullet, PFflyer, because I would totally be in regs with that kind of hair.



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Esel1964
01-12-2007, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Yeah, it's an awesome mullet, PFflyer, because I would totally be in regs with that kind of hair.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I was thinking the AFROTC really let their regs slip... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif --Joke-- I know that's not you.

I did notice something I've got to question.Your blue smilie is hosted by "mastabeta....". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

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http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/DMFesel/200px-Bomber.jpg

Lyrics from Naked Raygun's "Rat Patrol".
"What we need to take control,we could use the Rat Patrol.What's that coming over the dune?...
Chasing the halftracks across the sandflats,got a nice pine box,for that desert fox,machine guns blaring,and Arabs staring wondering why,the Westerners are there.It's the same old story,and it'll happen again."

LStarosta
01-12-2007, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Esel1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Yeah, it's an awesome mullet, PFflyer, because I would totally be in regs with that kind of hair.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I was thinking the AFROTC really let their regs slip... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif --Joke-- I know that's not you.

I did notice something I've got to question.Your blue smilie is hosted by "mastabeta....". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

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http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Messaschnitzel
01-12-2007, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:

"From roughly 12-24, my time was spent in third world, non English speaking countries and always in the poorest parts of it. From then to meeting my husband at around 30, simply surviving and my language skills so poor and muddled by slang of other languages for the most part kept me from trying to advance.



LEBillfish,

Having spent twelve years of your life in third world countries must have made your mind really sharp to be able to survive in this sort of situation.

What other languages do you speak fluently or at least passably to be able to survive in a third world environment that did not speak English? I would imagine that it would have been difficult, although I would think that learning a language at a younger age would've helped.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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pilot in powerplant destruction, far surpassing My fellow pilots." -Weiner Moldy of Deals Wheels fame

Copperhead310th
01-12-2007, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I know girly girl for .... 4 years? She is one of a kind. Did i mention that she is pure danger in the virtual skies too? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

She's cleaned my clock a few times. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif
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LEBillfish
01-13-2007, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
Having spent twelve years of your life in third world countries must have made your mind really sharp to be able to survive in this sort of situation.

What other languages do you speak fluently or at least passably to be able to survive in a third world environment that did not speak English? I would imagine that it would have been difficult, although I would think that learning a language at a younger age would've helped.

Guess I didn't explain well enough.....I barely spoke my own language being english, and no one where I was at never being in one country let alone place in it for very long, was going to help out the "half breed "American" orphan" to acclimate. Upon finally making it back to the U.S. my English language skills had become even worse, my speech not much more then a babbling mess of slang/made up/and mispronounced words. to this day my speech when nervous or excited slipping into "K2 speak" as they call it here. Penmanship not much better.

.....and survival is the one trait we all have, you can always find a way.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

<span class="ev_code_BLACK">"Does this make my Hien look big?"
"I love my Ha-40's"
"She loves teh Swallow"
"Don't call me cho-cho san"
</span>

Messaschnitzel
01-13-2007, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:

"Guess I didn't explain well enough.....I barely spoke my own language being english, and no one where I was at never being in one country let alone place in it for very long, was going to help out the "half breed "American" orphan" to acclimate."


Your life story is very interesting, to say the least. You mean to say that you could barely communicate in English by the time that you were twelve years of age? Also, how does a person from the age of twelve to twenty four survive and make a living on their own with no help and especially no language skills with which to communicate? I take it that you were in South America.



"to this day my speech when nervous or excited slipping into "K2 speak" as they call it here. Penmanship not much better."


Pardon my ignorance, but what is "K2 speak"?



".....and survival is the one trait we all have, you can always find a way."

I know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I have been on my own and have been earning my living since I was sixteen years old.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
01-13-2007, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
....of twelve to twenty four survive <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">and make a living</span> on their own with no help and especially no language skills.......

Ok, well, here is where I think this thread needs to end as the highlighted above perfectly explains what I meant by "not understanding" with no offense meant or taken, none I believe intended.........Quite simply, that is the point. There was no making a living, or even dreaming of a home, car, family, bills, etc. etc....It just pure and simple was not part of the equation, just living to the next day counted.

More so, I've not spoke of "my life", only responded to a basic condition of it that being education and the resulting ability for me to communicate.

Appreciate the interest/curiousity, however as I said though I have no shame in speaking of my life, it's not for public display or scrutiny...Judgement as to fortunate or forsaken, or even explaining.

Thanks for the interest, yet there is only a small handful here I'd even consider discussing it with......It's just life folks, nothing special or exceptional....Just one persons life and happens to be mine.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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"I love my Ha-40's"
"She loves teh Swallow"
"Don't call me cho-cho san"
</span>

Messaschnitzel
01-14-2007, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
....of twelve to twenty four survive <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">and make a living</span> on their own with no help and especially no language skills.......

Ok, well, here is where I think this thread needs to end as the highlighted above perfectly explains what I meant by "not understanding" with no offense meant or taken, none I believe intended.........Quite simply, that is the point. There was no making a living, or even dreaming of a home, car, family, bills, etc. etc....It just pure and simple was not part of the equation, just living to the next day counted.

More so, I've not spoke of "my life", only responded to a basic condition of it that being education and the resulting ability for me to communicate.

Appreciate the interest/curiousity, however as I said though I have no shame in speaking of my life, it's not for public display or scrutiny...Judgement as to fortunate or forsaken, or even explaining.

Thanks for the interest, yet there is only a small handful here I'd even consider discussing it with......It's just life folks, nothing special or exceptional....Just one persons life and happens to be mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My question was rhetorical. I did not expect an answer or explanation of details regarding this question. It was not my intention to look too deeply into an individual's life or business.

I also have no shame in posting the details and history of my life and will answer any questions about it as long as it doesn't involve people's names, places, or numbers that have anything to do with me. Others might not subscribe to this philosophy when asked questions about their life and sometimes I forget this.

However, if someone were to write a hypothetical posting that they were present at John F. Kennedy's assassination and happened to see a rifle barrel projecting from a window, then everyone who reads this will have some questions that arise from this post.

I used this example to illustrate the results when one "puts it out there" for the whole world to see in less than a day and has to deal with the questions both asked and unasked. I can also understand the reticence on the part of the poster.

Again, I did not intend to cause any discomfort.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
01-14-2007, 01:19 PM
Well Messaschnitzel it's like this.....Though I have no idea where you live I can assure you there are children who live in the streets having no home or family....Now simply add to the equation they don't speak the language or know the area......

How do they survive, and in kind, what risks and tribulations do they encounter?....Like I said it is nothing exceptional or unique...Look around they're there.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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"I love my Ha-40's"
"She loves teh Swallow"
"Don't call me cho-cho san"
</span>

Messaschnitzel
01-14-2007, 01:56 PM
I know that they exist. In 1978, I was sixteen years old and working on a dairy. There was this twelve year old kid working there who was entirely on his own with hardly anything to his name to speak of. He claimed that he didn't know the identity of his father and that his mother was a prostitute in Sacramento, Ca.

I thought that he was full of krapp until his mom came out to see him for his birthday. I don't know all the particulars, but he told me that he and his mother were from Poland and were in the U.S. illegally. What got to me was that he came to the U.S. two years before and his mom dumped him shortly after their arrival.

For only being in the country for two years, his English was really good for someone who did not know the language when they got there.

He also had a big vanilla extract habit that he indulged in, judging from the large number of bottles that he threw away behind the milkbarn that we all lived in. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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