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MrBlueSky1960
01-18-2006, 06:52 AM
Here are a couple of threads concerning the story of a Whirlwind being buried at Westlands€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Some I already know about,the Peter Twiss story for one, although it hasn€t a happy ending. The base commander of the American base Peter Twiss flew to had the engines for his €˜Motor Launch€ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Any Whoo, enjoy€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=47731&highlight=WHIRLWIND

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35668...ght=whirlwind+buried (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35668&highlight=whirlwind+buried)

In all my research into the Whirlwind and it's pilots, I only came across one who didn't like the aircraft. Yes above 15,000 it was of little use, however below that level it was a good aircraft and loved by it's pilots, it had a good turn of speed, even when loaded with a couple of bombs, it could out dive virtually any single engined aircraft at the time. Admittedly it was not much of a match in a dogfight for single engined types, but if the pilot saw the attack coming, then he shoved the stick forward and was gone.

The reason it wasn't built in greater numbers was that RR wanted to concentrate on the production of Merlin€s, and not spend time developing the Peregrine further. Only 114 were produced and those were in service from late 1940, through to Oct 1943 when 263 replaced them with the Typhoon, 263 were sad to see them go.

I€ve heard that it was impossible to fly the Whirlwind on one engine, however I know of at least 3 pilots who brought their aircraft back from sorties to Europe on one engine, I€ve also heard that it was difficult to maintain, but have a friend locally who was an erk on Whirlwinds with 263 who has told me first hand that in fact it was no more difficult to maintain than other types, and certainly less difficult than the Typhoon. At times Whirlwinds were the only aircraft flying when everything else was kept out of the sky by weather. It had teething problems like the majority of aircraft, which delayed it coming into service however these were sorted in time.

The what if Merlin debate will be discussed at length for evermore, we will basically never know. But to claim that the Whirlwind was a bad aircraft, I think we should give the guys who flew them some credit.

Full thread go here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=41192&highlight=Whirlwind

A €˜What If€ site: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2plane.htm

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=40043&highlight=Whirlwind

If you see the name Jerry Brewer, know that he is €˜The€ Whirlwind Man€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

At last i've found a picture of the 'infamous'2/3rd scale replica Whirly: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35668&highlight=Whirlwind

Sheese... Ugly looking bugger... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Defiant single seat fighter...

Go here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35039&highlight=Whirlwind

Do you know I€ve had a pleasant afternoon today€¦ Just sat here in the office at work looking at this sites threads. I€ve only highlighted a few of the Whirly ones I€ve found and posted them here for you to see.

Hope you enjoy them as much€¦

MrBlueSky1960
01-18-2006, 06:52 AM
Here are a couple of threads concerning the story of a Whirlwind being buried at Westlands€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Some I already know about,the Peter Twiss story for one, although it hasn€t a happy ending. The base commander of the American base Peter Twiss flew to had the engines for his €˜Motor Launch€ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Any Whoo, enjoy€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=47731&highlight=WHIRLWIND (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=47731&highlight=WHIRLWIND)

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35668...ght=whirlwind+buried (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35668&highlight=whirlwind+buried)

In all my research into the Whirlwind and it's pilots, I only came across one who didn't like the aircraft. Yes above 15,000 it was of little use, however below that level it was a good aircraft and loved by it's pilots, it had a good turn of speed, even when loaded with a couple of bombs, it could out dive virtually any single engined aircraft at the time. Admittedly it was not much of a match in a dogfight for single engined types, but if the pilot saw the attack coming, then he shoved the stick forward and was gone.

The reason it wasn't built in greater numbers was that RR wanted to concentrate on the production of Merlin€s, and not spend time developing the Peregrine further. Only 114 were produced and those were in service from late 1940, through to Oct 1943 when 263 replaced them with the Typhoon, 263 were sad to see them go.

I€ve heard that it was impossible to fly the Whirlwind on one engine, however I know of at least 3 pilots who brought their aircraft back from sorties to Europe on one engine, I€ve also heard that it was difficult to maintain, but have a friend locally who was an erk on Whirlwinds with 263 who has told me first hand that in fact it was no more difficult to maintain than other types, and certainly less difficult than the Typhoon. At times Whirlwinds were the only aircraft flying when everything else was kept out of the sky by weather. It had teething problems like the majority of aircraft, which delayed it coming into service however these were sorted in time.

The what if Merlin debate will be discussed at length for evermore, we will basically never know. But to claim that the Whirlwind was a bad aircraft, I think we should give the guys who flew them some credit.

Full thread go here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=41192&highlight=Whirlwind (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=41192&highlight=Whirlwind)

A €˜What If€ site: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2plane.htm

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=40043&highlight=Whirlwind (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=40043&highlight=Whirlwind)

If you see the name Jerry Brewer, know that he is €˜The€ Whirlwind Man€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

At last i've found a picture of the 'infamous'2/3rd scale replica Whirly: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35668&highlight=Whirlwind (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35668&highlight=Whirlwind)

Sheese... Ugly looking bugger... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Defiant single seat fighter...

Go here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35039&highlight=Whirlwind (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35039&highlight=Whirlwind)

Do you know I€ve had a pleasant afternoon today€¦ Just sat here in the office at work looking at this sites threads. I€ve only highlighted a few of the Whirly ones I€ve found and posted them here for you to see.

Hope you enjoy them as much€¦

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-18-2006, 11:16 AM
Some interesting stuff there....although I have to say that replica isn't all it could be from that piccie.

I'm reading a book called 'Fighter Command 1939-45' at the moment. Nothing unusual in that, you might think. The difference with this one is that it mentions the Whirlwind and has several pictures http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif It's not mentioned at all in the officially comissioned RAF WWII history.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
01-18-2006, 03:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The difference with this one is that it mentions the Whirlwind and has several pictures </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Pictures eh! Anything we have'nt seen?

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-18-2006, 03:29 PM
Oddly enough they include the last biggies you posted here.... but alas, nothing new, just large good quality printing. Very nicely done book - lots of first hand accounts and good photo's.

Fighter Command 1939-45 by David Oliver. HarperCollins Publishing. 2000.
ISBN 0 00 762908 7.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
01-18-2006, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
Oddly enough they include the last biggies you posted here.... but alas, nothing new, just large good quality printing. Very nicely done book - lots of first hand accounts and good photo's.

Fighter Command 1939-45 by David Oliver. HarperCollins Publishing. 2000.
ISBN 0 00 762908 7. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doh!... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif Stupid head here, I've got the same book... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Going back to that site, put a search in for Whirlwind and have a good read... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif It's nice to see a site where there does'ent appear to be any of the shouting matches we sometimes have here...

That might change though... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I'm going to join... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-18-2006, 04:32 PM
Will do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ARCHIE_CALVERT
01-18-2006, 05:07 PM
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=797&h...t=Westland+Whirlwind (http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=797&amp;highlight=Westland+Whirlwind)

Oh so nearly... Come on Steve

Hi
Correct fate is that mentioned :-

P6991 of 263 Sqdn lost power on take off ; hit tree and crash landed 2 miles west of Warmwell 9/2/1943.

Most of the photos of P6991 are taken when 263SQ was at portreath Cornwall

Correct , White nose whirly's were nothing to do with dieppe, It was in fact for operation Starkey, There is a book on the op called the starkey sacrifice which describes the whole operation to test the response of the germans to a pattern of 'invasion' air attacks , funnily the germans didn't notice the new pattern of air attacks and didn't respond to the operation, however a french village area was heavily bombed.

263 was converting to fighter bomber role and having bomb racks fitted when dieppe was on and 137Sq was operating off the east coast.

Cheers
Jerry

( Self confessed whirly annorak since 1970, when the last whirly cockpit was still in existance, sadly now long gone !! ) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif What... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif