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jaybee333
03-10-2007, 07:51 PM
I've searched but not found much info on this question: Which is the best all around jet for dogfighting, turning fight or boom and zoom?
Anyone's opinion would be appreciated, with reasons, if possible. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
03-10-2007, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by jaybee333:
I've searched but not found much info on this question: Which is the best all around jet for dogfighting, turning fight or boom and zoom?
Anyone's opinion would be appreciated, with reasons, if possible. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The f-15

VW-IceFire
03-10-2007, 08:21 PM
In-game or in the real modern day world?

In-game the YP-80 is hands down the best aerobatic jet available. So much so that you risk blacking out and crashing into the ground. Most of the other types are faster but generally not as good in overall aerobatics. The Yak-15 might be a better turner...but I think it lacks power.

Modern day...three way tie until the final stats come out between thrust vectored version of the Su-35, the EF Typhoon, and the F-22A.

Akronnick
03-10-2007, 09:18 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/akronnick/274cropped.jpg
FTW

jaybee333
03-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Yes, I did mean in '46. thanks for the replys so far

flakwagen
03-10-2007, 09:29 PM
I've found the HE162 to be reasonably agile and very fast, though I'm not sure if this holds true in 4.08m. It's only drawback is fairly low ammo capacity, but this isn't an issue for people who aim carefully.

VW-IceFire
03-10-2007, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by flakwagen:
I've found the HE162 to be reasonably agile and very fast, though I'm not sure if this holds true in 4.08m. It's only drawback is fairly low ammo capacity, but this isn't an issue for people who aim carefully.
He-162A is pretty much the same as before. The He-162C and D are a fair bit better with more firepower and speed. The 162 is very fast and has decent maneuverability but I find its agility in moves somewhat lacking compared to the YP-80.

MarkSynthesis
03-10-2007, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by flakwagen:
I've found the HE162 to be reasonably agile and very fast, though I'm not sure if this holds true in 4.08m. It's only drawback is fairly low ammo capacity, but this isn't an issue for people who aim carefully.

It's also very, very easy to fly, compared to other jet fighters--that, and it offers a fairly small target profile in combat.

Waldo.Pepper
03-10-2007, 09:50 PM
162A gets my vote, hands down.

Tully__
03-10-2007, 11:12 PM
Mig9 or He162 for my money.

leitmotiv
03-10-2007, 11:20 PM
He 162

CUJO_1970
03-10-2007, 11:22 PM
He-162C or D.

La7_brook
03-10-2007, 11:41 PM
ME163 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

FE_pilot
03-10-2007, 11:57 PM
Ta-183 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif for boom and zoom.

Altocirrus
03-11-2007, 02:48 AM
I heart the Mig-9 at the moment. But as long as you don't fly a Lerche or an Me-163 it's all good...

woofiedog
03-11-2007, 04:03 AM
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/ScreenShot023.jpg

tagTaken2
03-11-2007, 04:06 AM
The YP-80 does have that problem with flameouts... or maybe that's me.

The MiG-9 takes too long to accelerate. You'll get killed if you turn. Like, at all. Or even try and gain height.

The He-162 impresses me, but I have a little crush on the Me-262G at the moment.

FE_pilot
03-11-2007, 04:16 AM
The Mig-9 Killer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m234/sfsniper_2006/grab0000-1.jpg

FE_pilot
03-11-2007, 04:27 AM
The YP-80 is no problem for the Ta-183:



BEFORE:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u238/emiljan1991/grab0001.jpg
AFTER:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u238/emiljan1991/grab0002.jpg

woofiedog
03-11-2007, 04:37 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/ScreenShot017.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/ScreenShot016.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/ScreenShot020.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/ScreenShot022.jpg

leitmotiv
03-11-2007, 04:50 AM
I actually like the Me 163 more than the 162, but it is a rocket fighter, not a jet---rocket man! One HUGE omission from the 46 concept was the Me 263 improved rocket fighter which was ready for production. I can't believe this wasn't included (instead of the Lurch, or Loach, or....).

ViktorViktor
03-12-2007, 04:29 AM
Since I installed the 4.08m patch, I've experienced flameout problems with the He-162A.
Plus it's been unstable as a gun platform (jitters) under 350kph. (But I've only flown 2 He-162A missions so far.)

Don't remember this happening before the patch.

p-11.cAce
03-12-2007, 07:49 AM
The biggest change I've noticed in '46 is that the jets engines appear to be much less sensitive to throttle changes - unrealistically so imho. I spent many hours in the -162A prior to 46 and had worked out the best way to handle the throttle without ending up sitting under a bonfire - now it seems you can just toss the throttle as quickly as you want without flaming the engine. Has anyone else noticed this?

MEGILE
03-12-2007, 08:04 AM
P-80 is the best dogfighter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

flakwagen
03-12-2007, 10:38 AM
I spent many hours in the -162A prior to 46 and had worked out the best way to handle the throttle without ending up sitting under a bonfire - now it seems you can just toss the throttle as quickly as you want without flaming the engine. Has anyone else noticed this?

Yes, I have noticed this. Though noobs still bake themselves before takeoff on a regular basis. But you're right- it is harder to BBQ onesself in the air now. The flameouts in the YP80 are a nice touch, though.

Flak

ViktorViktor
03-12-2007, 12:08 PM
I must be a semi-Noobian.
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Waldo.Pepper
03-12-2007, 01:32 PM
Since I installed the 4.08m patch, I've experienced flameout problems with the He-162A.

I fly the A model a ton. I fly it exclusively of all the 162 we have now. I think the other two are an abomination and refuse to fly them.

I don't see the engine of the A flame out ever. (sorry!) It certainly should flame out (stop all together like the engine on an early Spitfire or Hurricane) if the Heinkel remains inverted for a few seconds (or stays in a negative G state to be more precise)

I find this an impressive little pic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/salamander/FrenchHe-162unmarked.jpg

stalkervision
03-12-2007, 02:04 PM
Has everyone forgot about this jet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsavSH89euU&mode=related&search=

Heck the He-162 couldn't even keep it's wings on because of the crummy glue it was assembled with! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Waldo.Pepper
03-12-2007, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
Has everyone forgot about this jet?
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Well the topic of the thread is best dogfighter. In my opinion the 262 is more properly thought of as a destroyer. A jet powered Me-110 if you will. The 262 is hardly a dogfighter!

Badsight-
03-13-2007, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
Well the topic of the thread is best dogfighter. In my opinion the 262 is more properly thought of as a destroyer. A jet powered Me-110 if you will. The 262 is hardly a dogfighter! my sentiments exactly

btw , i dont know if the synched .50's on the YP-80 is correct - but with them unsynched it would be fantastic :O

JG52Karaya-X
03-13-2007, 03:23 AM
You dont have to dogfight when you can boom and zoom the heck out of ANY other jet in a Me262HG-II, thats thing is a killer pure and simple, acceleration is incredible with the two Henschel Hirth turbines, at full engine power you actually risk overspeeding the aircraft at low level and break the airframe.

Not the most agile one but one hell of a speeddemon and the 4xMk108 are enough to pulverize anything from a fighter to a 4-engined bomber.