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KronikAlkoholik
01-30-2006, 12:42 PM
How do players and admins react to beginners (noobs) on servers? Are they not welcome until they have had basic training/beating every campaign offline ?

ATLAS_DEATH
01-30-2006, 01:03 PM
Well... I would say people shouldn't mind 'noobs' as long as they have a basic grasp on how to fly and the difference between Red and Blue.. If they are TKing all the time.. or just exploding left and right on the runway... I would think they need to be asked to leave.

When I was 'new'(still am http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ) I would admit to being new, and was for the most part treated nicely. Offered help and whatnot.. usualy by the 'regulars' of the server and admins.. But some times you get the little brats that are server hoping and can't wait to comment on how you suck.. But I would say the majority (unless noted in the server info) accept 'noobs'

RAF74_Poker
01-30-2006, 01:15 PM
Key here would be to get on the server's TS channel and explain you are new .... most regulars on the servers will help you out, even show you a couple of things, and generally make sure you don't screw things up ... but you have to A: get on comms B: listen to them.

S!

Heavy_Metal1982
01-30-2006, 03:52 PM
Everyone was a newbie once http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif If you say that you are a newbie than it's quite often that the regulars will give you some useful tips on how to play better. The online community is pretty friendly, so I wouldn't worry about them kicking you from a server. I mean even the regs have bad days too, it's quite often during the early morning hours that a reg would shoot someone on their own team because they just switched teams but still thinks that RED is the enemy. I've been shot down like that a few times.

DmdSeeker
01-30-2006, 04:15 PM
The only two "sins" are:
Hitting full throttle as soon as you get in the cockpit and attempting to takeoff while careering madly allover the air base taking out your team mates (They all have runways....use them!) and shooting down your team mates.

Avoid those two and no one will ever know you're a noob; they'll just think you suck like the rest of us http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mortoma
01-30-2006, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by RAF74_Poker:
Key here would be to get on the server's TS channel and explain you are new .... most regulars on the servers will help you out, even show you a couple of things, and generally make sure you don't screw things up ... but you have to A: get on comms B: listen to them.

S! Who says you have to get on comms?? I will never get on comms. I personally don't like comms. It's up to individual taste or should be. But if I were asked to leave a server because of not having comms, I wouldn't care though. The host makes the rules and it's his/her right to do so.

So far I have never even been asked to get on comms, nor have I been castigated, asked to leave or booted because of not having the capability. I fly offline most of the time anyway.

Bearcat99
01-31-2006, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by KronikAlkoholik:
How do players and admins react to beginners (noobs) on servers? Are they not welcome until they have had basic training/beating every campaign offline ?

Depends on if you are in a Coop or not.... in most coops... ours included we prefer that you at least have a grasp of the basics... like take offs and landings... and that you have the proper keys mapped for the plane.. for instance.. dont pick a P-38 if you dont have seperate engine starts profiled somewhere... either on your stick or your keyboard. Dont take any flight lead slots if you dont know how to read the map and follow waypoints.... actually it is poor taste to do that anyway in a coop server where you are the guest.. especially if it is a squad coop.

In DF servers it is different. Like seeker said.... dont kill your teammates (accidentally or on purpose.... I know that sounds strange.. but it has been done.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif) .... and learn to take off properly. Dont go into a fully immersive server (AKA full real... but I hate the term so I dont use it) if you dont practice flying that way. Take offs and landings are totally different in a closed pit with no externals than it is in an open pit... or a server with external views. Use the taxiways and runways.... nothing will elicit a eyeball rolling sigh of "Frickin NoOoOOobbbs.." than seeing some guy consistently go all over the gr***... everywhere but[ the ruinway to take off.

The bottom line is that this community is pretty friendly... and as long as you are thick skinned enough to take the spanking you will recieve untill you get your skill level up you will be good to go. If a server has comms and you want to use them fine. If not then thats cool too. Dont come on comms talking smack.... just listen... introduce yourself when you can... always wait a few seconds to make sure you arent inturrupting anything. Nothing like calling for help... or listening for a teammates 20 so you can help him and just as he is giving his location in comes some loudmouth.... Try to be helpful... and most importantly.... try to have fun inspite of the flames and tracer fire that will attract itself to you once people see that you are a target drone. Know that it will still be fun and it will get better if you keep at it.

RAF74_Poker
01-31-2006, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RAF74_Poker:
Key here would be to get on the server's TS channel and explain you are new .... most regulars on the servers will help you out, even show you a couple of things, and generally make sure you don't screw things up ... but you have to A: get on comms B: listen to them.

S! Who says you have to get on comms?? I will never get on comms. I personally don't like comms. It's up to individual taste or should be. But if I were asked to leave a server because of not having comms, I wouldn't care though. The host makes the rules and it's his/her right to do so.

So far I have never even been asked to get on comms, nor have I been castigated, asked to leave or booted because of not having the capability. I fly offline most of the time anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I would encourage you to use comms, since it would be easier for people to converse with you and offer helpful tips.
HOWEVER, if you are anal about using comms, by all means, don't use them.

How's that Mort ... better ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

dbillo
01-31-2006, 02:58 PM
Well, I wouldn't dream of jumping into a "Full Real" server without getting on comms.

That said, I've recently been poking around on HL, but only venturing into empty servers. I've been tempted to jump into a populated server like Spits_vs_109s, or War_Clouds_WF, or Zeke_vs_Wildcat, but so far have resisted, because:

a.) I'm new to the 4.02 flight model.
b.) Although I can take off, maneouvre, and land OK, I'm abysmal at dogfighting.
c.) I'm on dialup 56k and I fear that I might cause some lag or get kicked.
d.) I'll probably get shot down quickly and repeatedly.

Are any of the above deal-breakers as far as getting involved? Is any dogfight server running on HL open to anyone? I'm actually more of a COOP kind of guy, I think.

jds1978
01-31-2006, 03:14 PM
Kronik: by all means get on comms....i bought my headset cheap (cost plus shipping and handling=10 US $) Team Speak is a free download as is the TS Overlay.

I'm a complete online noob as well. Just relax and be polite and there will be tons of people willing to help/forgive your transgressions. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

a great idea is to join a squad to help aclimate you. plus it gives you some friends as padding so you don't feel like the third wheel. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

KronikAlkoholik
01-31-2006, 03:14 PM
Well I've only be training in (almost) full real and so can take off and (sometimes) land. I also know have to use most and have tried most options and mapped the keys. However I haven't got PF yet and so no FM 4.02 and have to get used to the joystick when I get it. So it might changed. But I'm a smart guy so I wan't be griefer.

VW-IceFire
01-31-2006, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by KronikAlkoholik:
How do players and admins react to beginners (noobs) on servers? Are they not welcome until they have had basic training/beating every campaign offline ?
I don't mind them so much as long as they don't:

1) Start team killing

2) Ram me

3) Shoot me or shoot at my target after its already destroyed (i.e. dewinged, detailed, or on fire)

I'm quite happy to help new pilots and do what I can to protect those on my team and I'm even happy to give pointers or help them set things up. I am not happy if they participate in the behavior I listed above. That stuff is basic common sense.

I distinctly remember being a new pilot on a dogfight server and taking the time to read the rules, ask what vulching was, ask about what was considered good form when helping a friendly shoot down a enemy fighter (I learned not to help with gunfire but with my eyes and my words), and so forth. And the guys were happy to point that stuff out and I never did anything "wrong". I sucked but that was beside the point.

danjama
02-02-2006, 02:29 AM
Whats your Hyperlobby name?

Me and my regular dogfight friends will look for you and you can join our games, they are educational at least....were all good pilots, but we dont have ego's like Viper ( http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

Were all friendly, and always help new people, plus our games stay fairly small and personal, which are alot more fun in my opinion.

- You probably wont stay on alot of servers for long if u have 56k.

- I dont recommend going into any server and dogfighting, at least not in the sense that i am guessing you mean, theres more to combat than that (again, come fly with us and learn what i mean).

Private message me if you dont wanna share ur name...

Xiolablu3
02-02-2006, 03:22 AM
Danjama, bring him for a game on UKded one night and Ill fly with you both. (if you dont mind of course) We can teach him a few things (oo-er) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


If the server is a good one they will help you out, if they dont, then don't bother flying with them.

You will learn the rules quite quickly, probably as you break them, but if you go into the server and say 'Hey guys Im new at this, can you tell me if I make mistakes? ' then they should be fine.

It is when people think you are blatantly being an idiot that they get the most annoyed.

Quick Help guide

1. 334th/AFJ servers - quick dogfight servers - everyone shoots at the same target, whoever 'kills' it, ie gets the killing shot gets the kill, dont shoot after you are sure its going down (wings off, engine stopped). Dont Vulch

2. UK Dedicated - Relaxed settings Mission based server - Cover your teamates dont steal their damaged target - If they are in a good shooting position cover them from above, dont butt in and you will be respected - Dont Vulch with guns.

3. Warclouds - Hardish Settings - Follow guide for UKdedicated but you CAN vulch (as its much more dangerous on a full real server)

You will learn much quicker if you can get on Teamspeak, bu I guess if 56k then you cant..Just make your chatbox bigger so that you an see more than one line of chat text and TALK/TYPE.

Just GET ON-LINE, there are bound to be worse pilots than you on the server. The fact that you asked this question shows that you care about your flying and how it affects others. And this in turn shows you will be great to fly with, which is why me and Danjama were quick to offer you some guidance. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

KronikAlkoholik
02-02-2006, 06:09 AM
Thanks Danjama and Xiolablu, I will not recieve my copy of PF until a week from now, but then I'll take you on your offer. BTW I'm not sure what vulching is?

PS. I'm not on a 56k, got a 6mbit adsl line

bogusheadbox
02-02-2006, 06:47 AM
Vulching is killing another in the following ways.

1. When they are taking off
2. when they are landing.
3. When they are stationary on an airfield.

Only becuase at all 3 times, those listed in the above mentioned 3 will be at a serious disadvantage and more often than not, incapable of defending themselves.

Some servers allow Vulching and some don't. The best idea is to read the brief fully before you arm / select your plane.

Vulching is a personal preference on some servers. Either for the fact that they don't allow it for gentlemanly reasons, or they do for realism. For me vulching should be allowed, but the base should be adequately protected (which most of the times they are not due to FPS issues with loads of AA, AAA fire)

I am a bomber and like to take the risk of enemy aircraft and flak to get my pickles on target. Usually bombs are allowed to vulch but guns are not. But at no time do i vulch if the server dissalows it. Instead i will target AA, AAA, Fuel depots, hangers etc, than actual planes.

For me its about the destruction. Not the online points

Hope you enjoy it when you get it. Make sure you get all 3 titles to join in with the masses (merged version = Forgotten Battles + Pacific Fighers + AEP) as the standalone version of PF suffers from a lack of people.

Happy flying

Sturm_Williger
02-02-2006, 06:54 AM
Can't see why anyone would mind beginners on the server ( apart from runway shenanigans already mentioned ).

I'm sure the experten rub their hands with glee and chortle when I join - "look, another target drone !" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Kuna15
02-02-2006, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by KronikAlkoholik:
How do players and admins react to beginners (noobs) on servers? Are they not welcome until they have had basic training/beating every campaign offline ?

Everyone is welcome to play. Be sure about that.

There is two basic rules that everyone must be able to understand:

1-read the rules and obey
2-be nice not rude

That is it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Anyway I'd rather have rookie on my side who obeys that two rules than skilled guy who does not. I feel 90% of regulars may agree with me on that one.
Enough said.

VF51_Flatspin
02-02-2006, 11:06 AM
Seems I've had a conversation or two with Mort on WoP TS. That is, when I could get a word in! LOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-02-2006, 12:19 PM
Coms is the best way to get fully up to speed the quickest, but (in deference to Mort http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) at least make sure you are aware of the basic server settings ahead of time. i.e. icons, markings, objectives etc,...whether through coms or not.

Going from a server with no icons to one with short-friendly icons can be unnerving at times and it's always best to know them ahead of time.


TB

danjama
02-02-2006, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by KronikAlkoholik:
Thanks Danjama and Xiolablu, I will not recieve my copy of PF until a week from now, but then I'll take you on your offer. BTW I'm not sure what vulching is?

PS. I'm not on a 56k, got a 6mbit adsl line

cool! just let us know on Hyperlobby when your there, or PT me. Im on HL as, Danjama surprisingly.

Indeed, Xi, sounds fun!

dbillo
02-02-2006, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
Whats your Hyperlobby name?

Me and my regular dogfight friends will look for you and you can join our games, they are educational at least....

- You probably wont stay on alot of servers for long if u have 56k.

- I dont recommend going into any server and dogfighting, at least not in the sense that i am guessing you mean, theres more to combat than that (again, come fly with us and learn what i mean).

Private message me if you dont wanna share ur name...
My apologies to Kronik for hijacking his thread, but I really wanted to ask the same question as he did. I'm just not sure now who is responding to who. I know Kronik doesn't yet have PF, and I'm the one on dialup. I guess I've got everybody mixed up. Sorry! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Danjama and Xiolablu3, if you were also responding to me, thanks for your very kind offer! My HL name is BailOut.

I was at the UKDed website yesterday and really felt they would run my kind of server. (something about "old farts" tipped me off, I think)

Xiolablu3, I have Teamspeak working just fine when I fly online with my brother and a friend. We use the CELP Windows 5.2 codec and it seems to work very well for 56k.

spitzfiya
02-03-2006, 12:56 AM
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Philipscdrw
02-03-2006, 06:23 AM
1) Read the rules.

2) Make sure you know how to taxi to the runway, takeoff, and fly towards the enemy.

(Being able to land isn't really relevant... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif )

3) Don't shoot:
- your teammates
- aircraft that are already doomed.

As long as you do that, the only damage you can do to your team is to give the enemy points by shooting you down - repeatedly. I should know, that always happened to me when I was online...

danjama
02-03-2006, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by dbillo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Whats your Hyperlobby name?

Me and my regular dogfight friends will look for you and you can join our games, they are educational at least....

- You probably wont stay on alot of servers for long if u have 56k.

- I dont recommend going into any server and dogfighting, at least not in the sense that i am guessing you mean, theres more to combat than that (again, come fly with us and learn what i mean).

Private message me if you dont wanna share ur name...
My apologies to Kronik for hijacking his thread, but I really wanted to ask the same question as he did. I'm just not sure now who is responding to who. I know Kronik doesn't yet have PF, and I'm the one on dialup. I guess I've got everybody mixed up. Sorry! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

Danjama and Xiolablu3, if you were also responding to me, thanks for your very kind offer! My HL name is BailOut.

I was at the UKDed website yesterday and really felt they would run my kind of server. (something about "old farts" tipped me off, I think)

Xiolablu3, I have Teamspeak working just fine when I fly online with my brother and a friend. We use the CELP Windows 5.2 codec and it seems to work very well for 56k. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now im confused http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I was responding to you, thinking you were the original poster, but clearly you wasnt and the other guy who was thought i was talkin to him, but of course, what we say applies to him too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Ok, that out the way, i highly recommend UK-ded, great people, great missions, and free beer (albeit it is free because its in my fridge http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

I'll look for you on HL!

jds1978
02-03-2006, 02:29 PM
you guys remember that old Abbot & Costello sketch "Who's on First..?" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

"Who's on Dial-Up!?!"

KroniK: hopefully my squads (yet unnamed) server will be ready by the time you get things sorted out...feel free to stop in there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif